Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

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30-06-20, 13:34
xsnaggle

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

OK, it's a fair cop guvnor! Perhaps I should have said I feel "different", in the same way when I wear speedos on the beach and my grandchildren are cringing with embarrassment!

I never worse speedos. do they make you feel different? I wish I'd known. :getscoat:
30-06-20, 13:35
Gofer Blue

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That's an incredible graph.

The scatter graph though is somewhat less impressive though. A correlation coefficient of 0.26 - uhm...... Lies, damn lies and statistics comes to mind!
30-06-20, 13:41
Gofer Blue

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I never worse speedos. do they make you feel different? I wish I'd known. :getscoat:

Speedos can't be "worse" than these very trendy jobbies surely! :-)

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30-06-20, 13:46
xsnaggle

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Speedos can't be "worse" than these very trendy jobbies surely! :-)

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Well you might think that, I couldn't possibly comment. :hehe:
30-06-20, 14:16
Rjk

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

The scatter graph though is somewhat less impressive though. A correlation coefficient of 0.26 - uhm...... Lies, damn lies and statistics comes to mind!

Have you read the report?
30-06-20, 14:38
cyril evans awaydays

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Originally Posted by ccfc_is_my_life

I don't wear a mask due to asthma and have had a few comments directed at me for not doing so.

Asthma you say?
30-06-20, 14:41
Taunton Blue Genie

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

OK, it's a fair cop guvnor! Perhaps I should have said I feel "different", in the same way when I wear speedos on the beach and my grandchildren are cringing with embarrassment!

Just teasing, old fruit 😊
30-06-20, 15:03
lisvaneblue

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

The talk was we should wait for the excess deaths figure from other countries before drawing conclusions. Now, we have nearly three months of excess deaths data to consider and the figures show exactly the same as what they were showing when we were being told to hang on before coming to conclusions. All of the available evidence points the same way, so why should anyone think that there is still something out there which will lead to a complete reevaluation of how the UK handled the the first wave of the pandemic?

Looking at those tables, the three other UK nations have clearly done better than England, but none of them are that good really, they just mean Arlene Foster, Nicola Sturgeon and Mark Drakeford and their administrations have not been the complete disaster that Johnson and his cronies have.

Arlene Foster, Nicola Sturgeon and Mark Drakeford can't be congratulated because they have done better than Boris Johnson.

The figures relate to the 11 week peak around late March to early May when all home nations were under virtually the same restrictions. So there must be more to it than the blaming mis-administration, ( and the report does not look at what happened in each country, only the results.)

Was it related to flights into UK which were unrestricted, and a lot more flights in England than other home countries. Was it to do with public transport in areas like London. Was it to do with the larger number of nursing homes in England than elsewhere.

Lots of questions but too early to categorically say why UK outcomes so bad.
30-06-20, 15:11
lisvaneblue

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

That's an incredible graph.

I haven't read the paper in detail, but is this group of ophthalmologists implying that if we had introduced mask wearing early on we would have had a much lower mortality?
30-06-20, 15:20
Heisenberg

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Asthma you say?

Looking at posts 2-3 months old to try to score points is a tad stalkerish and if I might say so, sad.
30-06-20, 15:29
cyril evans awaydays

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Looking at posts 2-3 months old to try to score points is a tad stalkerish and if I might say so, sad.

It_is_what_it_is!
30-06-20, 15:52
Heisenberg

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It_is_what_it_is!

I'm surprised that you haven't been told to "F.O.A.D" yet.
30-06-20, 17:00
Rjk

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https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...611871234?s=19
30-06-20, 17:13
CCFCC3PO

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

That's an incredible graph.

It also lacks a lot of detail. What is a masked country? What is an non-masked country?
30-06-20, 17:16
CCFCC3PO

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Originally Posted by Rjk

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/sta...611871234?s=19

It's good that the Government are now acting on Pillar 2 data. Would be good to see the data sets for other cities.
30-06-20, 17:22
ToTaL ITK

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Hows the shortage of PPE going for the hospitals etc ?

I see every prem and champ player is rigged out with the latest in Adidas mask protection...money talks
30-06-20, 18:10
the other bob wilson

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Originally Posted by lisvaneblue

Arlene Foster, Nicola Sturgeon and Mark Drakeford can't be congratulated because they have done better than Boris Johnson.

The figures relate to the 11 week peak around late March to early May when all home nations were under virtually the same restrictions. So there must be more to it than the blaming mis-administration, ( and the report does not look at what happened in each country, only the results.)

Was it related to flights into UK which were unrestricted, and a lot more flights in England than other home countries. Was it to do with public transport in areas like London. Was it to do with the larger number of nursing homes in England than elsewhere.

Lots of questions but too early to categorically say why UK outcomes so bad.

I don't think saying the other three did better than England is congratulating them, especially when I say that "none of them are that good really".

How about going into lockdown later than other European countries and moving people from hospitals into care homes as reasons for our poor outcome?
30-06-20, 20:03
Rjk

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Originally Posted by CCFCC3PO

It also lacks a lot of detail. What is a masked country? What is an non-masked country?

that is described in the report
01-07-20, 11:44
Rjk

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https://www.newscientist.com/article...box=1593534691

this is going to be interesting. if she's got any sense Nicola sturgeon should be all over this.
01-07-20, 11:52
cyril evans awaydays

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Originally Posted by Rjk

https://www.newscientist.com/article...box=1593534691

this is going to be interesting. if she's got any sense Nicola sturgeon should be all over this.

According to Boris Johnson at today's PMQs there is no border between England and Scotland
01-07-20, 11:53
jon1959

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

According to Boris Johnson at today's PMQs there is no border between England and Scotland

Are the Steel Bonnets enforcing social distancing?
01-07-20, 15:37
Rjk

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According to Boris Johnson at today's PMQs there is no border between England and Scotland

Where does england end and scotland begin? it is impossible to say
01-07-20, 15:40
cyril evans awaydays

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Where does england end and scotland begin? it is impossible to say

Where does English law end and Scottish Law begin?
01-07-20, 15:40
Heisenberg

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Originally Posted by Rjk

Where does england end and scotland begin? it is impossible to say

2022?
02-07-20, 11:10
the other bob wilson

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Outdoor pubs and restaurants to open from 13 July in Wales.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-53247660
02-07-20, 11:12
Gofer Blue

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Report on the COVID 19 situation in the USA today (first 20 minutes of BBC Sounds report):

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08jljq7

Almost unbelievable stuff. Mask wearing is now a political statement - non-mask wearers are becoming identified as pro-Trump/pro-America/pro liberty, mask wearers are identified as Democrats/anti-American/anti-libertarian!
02-07-20, 19:42
A Quiet Monkfish

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Originally Posted by Gofer Blue

Report on the COVID 19 situation in the USA today (first 20 minutes of BBC Sounds report):

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08jljq7

Almost unbelievable stuff. Mask wearing is now a political statement - non-mask wearers are becoming identified as pro-Trump/pro-America/pro liberty, mask wearers are identified as Democrats/anti-American/anti-libertarian!

USA deaths per head of population 1 in 2534.
Spain 1 in 1678
Italy 1 in 1714

Despite severe lockdowns, both Spain and Italy have had outcomes 50% worse than the U.S.

Take the p*ss out of the Yanks by all means ..
02-07-20, 20:13
Baloo

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

USA deaths per head of population 1 in 2534.
Spain 1 in 1678
Italy 1 in 1714

Despite severe lockdowns, both Spain and Italy have had outcomes 50% worse than the U.S.

Take the p*ss out of the Yanks by all means ..

Cases are still surging in the USA.
02-07-20, 20:37
Rjk

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https://public.flourish.studio/visua...-5_IF7jDUvK_UE
04-07-20, 08:24
goats

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https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/e...virus-18535188
04-07-20, 12:09
delmbox

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Originally Posted by Rjk

https://public.flourish.studio/visua...-5_IF7jDUvK_UE

holy f**k that was wild
04-07-20, 12:22
William Treseder

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Heard on the news that Llieda in Spain is back on lockdown from midday today.
06-07-20, 06:20
Jordi Culé

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ge-coronavirus

Interesting opinion.
06-07-20, 06:37
goats

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Originally Posted by Jordi Culé

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ge-coronavirus

Interesting opinion.

Yes, interesting what he says about many things. Herd immunity at the end etc....
06-07-20, 07:39
Jordi Culé

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Yes, interesting what he says about many things. Herd immunity at the end etc....

I noted that. Be funny as **** if Boris was right all along although at the time he was pissing in the wind with his advocation of herd immunity.

Interesting points about BLM protests, Bournemouth beach and pubs reopening.
06-07-20, 08:28
Delbert

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In the interview Costello says 50,000 excess deaths have been caused so far by Johnson’s failure to lock down earlier. The initial plan to pursue herd immunity has been a catastrophe.

No-one knows what the exact level of population immunity is required to achieve herd immunity. But instead of attempting to eliminate the virus, as New Zealand and others have done and as even Scotland is attempting to do, Johnson continues to pursue policies which are causing unnacceptably high rates of community transmission and deaths.
06-07-20, 09:39
goats

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Originally Posted by Delbert

In the interview Costello says 50,000 excess deaths have been caused so far by Johnson’s failure to lock down earlier. The initial plan to pursue herd immunity has been a catastrophe.

No-one knows what the exact level of population immunity is required to achieve herd immunity. But instead of attempting to eliminate the virus, as New Zealand and others have done and as even Scotland is attempting to do, Johnson continues to pursue policies which are causing unnacceptably high rates of community transmission and deaths.

What she did in NZ is admirable but it’s not a long term solution if they want their economy that relies hugely in tourism to continue.
They have to let people in at some point. I really don’t know what Scotland is up to, How does she think they could be Covid free by September? They building a wall Mexico style to keep the English out are they?
06-07-20, 09:43
goats

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Originally Posted by Delbert

In the interview Costello says 50,000 excess deaths have been caused so far by Johnson’s failure to lock down earlier. The initial plan to pursue herd immunity has been a catastrophe.

No-one knows what the exact level of population immunity is required to achieve herd immunity. But instead of attempting to eliminate the virus, as New Zealand and others have done and as even Scotland is attempting to do, Johnson continues to pursue policies which are causing unnacceptably high rates of community transmission and deaths.

He also says Sage got stuff wrong early on, which I find surprising. Herd immunity doesn’t need as much % of population as I thought previous either.
06-07-20, 09:44
Rjk

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Originally Posted by goats

He also says Sage got stuff wrong early on, which I find surprising. Herd immunity doesn’t need as much % of population as I thought previous either.

I don't think they know for sure yet what %of the population being infected would give herd immunity
06-07-20, 20:51
Jordi Culé

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Man who never accepts responsibility or accountability for anything starts washing his hands.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...igh-death-toll