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Let's get the f*** out - (part 2)
More grist to the mill: Charles Moore in the Telegraph.
"One of the most important features of the Westminster system of parliamentary democracy is that it allows voters to throw out one lot and put another in. This can never happen in the EU system. So the careers of the well-educated, unelected, “civilised” people who run the show are unimpeded by the will of the people.
Perhaps because I come from that class, I agree that a high education is a good thing and accept that societies must have their elites, but I also believe that the British genius has been to create a political system in which the common interest of the whole nation can be represented politically. This is impossible in the EU, where there is a ruling class on the one hand, and a sweaty mob (as the ruling class sees it), on the other. If you like that sort of system, when you contemplate your navel, you will vote to Remain.
Why should euro-officials pay less tax?
By far the best book setting out all European issues in topical form, is Why Leave? by Daniel Hannan, well known to readers of this paper. Hannan is crisp about how the interests of the above class are looked after in the Brussels set-up. More than a thousand EU officials earn more than David Cameron, and all officials working in EU institutions are exempt from national taxation. They pay a special EU income tax of 21 per cent. This rate is flat, so the richer you are, the better. British euro-officials who would have a top rate of 45 per cent here therefore pay less than half that. "
The 'Gravy Train' doesn't do it justice.
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jackrabbit
I also believe that the British genius has been to create a political system in which the common interest of the whole nation can be represented politically.
That's hilarious!
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Re: Let's get the f*** out - (part 2)
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jackrabbit
More grist to the mill: Charles Moore in the Telegraph.
"One of the most important features of the Westminster system of parliamentary democracy is that it allows voters to throw out one lot and put another in. This can never happen in the EU system. So the careers of the well-educated, unelected, “civilised” people who run the show are unimpeded by the will of the people.
Perhaps because I come from that class, I agree that a high education is a good thing and accept that societies must have their elites, but I also believe that the British genius has been to create a political system in which the common interest of the whole nation can be represented politically. This is impossible in the EU, where there is a ruling class on the one hand, and a sweaty mob (as the ruling class sees it), on the other. If you like that sort of system, when you contemplate your navel, you will vote to Remain.
Why should euro-officials pay less tax?
By far the best book setting out all European issues in topical form, is Why Leave? by Daniel Hannan, well known to readers of this paper. Hannan is crisp about how the interests of the above class are looked after in the Brussels set-up. More than a thousand EU officials earn more than David Cameron, and all officials working in EU institutions are exempt from national taxation. They pay a special EU income tax of 21 per cent. This rate is flat, so the richer you are, the better. British euro-officials who would have a top rate of 45 per cent here therefore pay less than half that. "
The 'Gravy Train' doesn't do it justice.
Much like the British parliamentary system
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Re: Let's get the f*** out - (part 2)
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Originally Posted by
jackrabbit
More grist to the mill: Charles Moore in the Telegraph.
"One of the most important features of the Westminster system of parliamentary democracy is that it allows voters to throw out one lot and put another in. This can never happen in the EU system. So the careers of the well-educated, unelected, “civilised” people who run the show are unimpeded by the will of the people.
Perhaps because I come from that class, I agree that a high education is a good thing and accept that societies must have their elites, but I also believe that the British genius has been to create a political system in which the common interest of the whole nation can be represented politically. This is impossible in the EU, where there is a ruling class on the one hand, and a sweaty mob (as the ruling class sees it), on the other. If you like that sort of system, when you contemplate your navel, you will vote to Remain.
Why should euro-officials pay less tax?
By far the best book setting out all European issues in topical form, is Why Leave? by Daniel Hannan, well known to readers of this paper. Hannan is crisp about how the interests of the above class are looked after in the Brussels set-up. More than a thousand EU officials earn more than David Cameron, and all officials working in EU institutions are exempt from national taxation. They pay a special EU income tax of 21 per cent. This rate is flat, so the richer you are, the better. British euro-officials who would have a top rate of 45 per cent here therefore pay less than half that. "
The 'Gravy Train' doesn't do it justice.
Not strictly true though, is it? We saw circa a million march against the Iraq War but those who became disillusioned with Tony Blair could only vote out Gordon Brown. British democracy is not strong enough to make the case on the lack of democratic responsibility of the EU (at least without additional comments) and leaving us with Boris Johnson and co forming what the country will look like post-EU is enough for any individual in favour of democracy shaking in their boots.
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Croesy Blue
The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) has nothing to do with the European Union, we should be staying in the ECHR and leaving the EU not the other way around like Theresa May is suggesting, bad enough being stuck in the EU but being stuck in the EU with no human rights? I honestly dread to think what my kids future would be like if that were to happen, she said “We are confident that we can replace the Human Rights Act with a bill of rights" I definitely don't share that confidence and I definitely don't trust them to create a decent bill of rights.
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"...leaving us with Boris Johnson and co forming what the country will look like post-EU is enough for any individual in favour of democracy shaking in their boots."
Eh? You need have no worries about "Boris Johnson and co" imposing a democracy. I think your worries would start if we were insane enough to let Corbyn and McDonnell anywhere near the reins of power. Socialists like to control every aspect of life. I look forward to the day we have Boris Johnson in no. 10 replacing the dreadful Cameron. I live in London and Boris has been an excellent Mayor. Beneath that buffoonish exterior is a very shrewd operator who knows the value of things and detests waste and corruption. He'd be a brilliant PM. VOTE LEAVE! And later on, Vote Boris. There, I've persuaded you.
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Eric the Half a Bee
That's hilarious!
You need to experience living in a totalitarian country.
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jackrabbit
You need to experience living in a totalitarian country.
Stay in London you festering jack xenophobic lemon
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Stay in London you festering jack xenophobic lemon
Can you point out where he was being xenophobic?
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Re: Owen Jones interviews Daniel Hannan well worth a watch
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ninianclark
Here is a very interesting interview by Owen Jones with Daniel Hannan and well worth a watch all the way through
(I never knew that Tony Benn voted to remain out of Europe back in the 70's)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1fNkj5i0LM
I really enjoyed that. Hannan is a very impressive thinker and speaker - I must get his book. Jones is a very good......listener.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Stay in London you festering jack xenophobic lemon
I take it you are without prejudice?
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Mrs Steve R
Can you point out where he was being xenophobic?
Him or the well known xenophobic Charles Moore
You are not that mashed NZ , surely
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jackrabbit
I take it you are without prejudice?
I love everyone except jacks , who move to London and complain about free movement
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I love everyone except jacks , who move to London and complain about free movement
Bit xenophobic mate?
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jackrabbit
"...leaving us with Boris Johnson and co forming what the country will look like post-EU is enough for any individual in favour of democracy shaking in their boots."
Eh? You need have no worries about "Boris Johnson and co" imposing a democracy. I think your worries would start if we were insane enough to let Corbyn and McDonnell anywhere near the reins of power. Socialists like to control every aspect of life. I look forward to the day we have Boris Johnson in no. 10 replacing the dreadful Cameron. I live in London and Boris has been an excellent Mayor. Beneath that buffoonish exterior is a very shrewd operator who knows the value of things and detests waste and corruption. He'd be a brilliant PM. VOTE LEAVE! And later on, Vote Boris. There, I've persuaded you.
I live in London and this is complete rubbish :hehe:
Boris's main project the night tube is over 6 months late and was never even close to being ready. The clown blamed it all on the strikes as you'd expect too.
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Mrs Steve R
The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) has nothing to do with the European Union, we should be staying in the ECHR and leaving the EU not the other way around like Theresa May is suggesting, bad enough being stuck in the EU but being stuck in the EU with no human rights? I honestly dread to think what my kids future would be like if that were to happen, she said “We are confident that we can replace the Human Rights Act with a bill of rights" I definitely don't share that confidence and I definitely don't trust them to create a decent bill of rights.
If we leave the EU leaving the ECHR will follow immediately, anyone thinking any different is naive at best.
Voting out basically replaces the ECHR with a UK government (most likely Tory) bill of rights, any UK citizen voting for this is a turkey voting for Christmas.
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jackrabbit
I really enjoyed that. Hannan is a very impressive thinker and speaker - I must get his book. Jones is a very good......listener.
Yes hes great, a big fan of Iain Duncan smith, about as sincere as a wet slap from big Betty from birchgrove
Bet he's spent time on benefits , you can tell by his accent
He's a neo con !
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Steve R
Bit xenophobic mate?
Whoosh alert
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Whoosh alert
Watch it sonny.
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Croesy Blue
I live in London and this is complete rubbish :hehe:
Boris's main project the night tube is over 6 months late and was never even close to being ready. The clown blamed it all on the strikes as you'd expect too.
Detests waste and corruption , whilst mopping up being mayor of London lol
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Steve R
Watch it sonny.
Just because you have a penthouse view of Barry's sprawling waterfront don't come that with me
Can I borrow a few quid ? Dole cheque has run out
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Just because you have a penthouse view of Barry's sprawling waterfront don't come that with me
Can I borrow a few quid ? Dole cheque has run out
The views are amazing
http://media.rightmove.co.uk/49k/488...MG_05_0000.jpg
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Croesy Blue
If we leave the EU leaving the ECHR will follow immediately, anyone thinking any different is naive at best.
Voting out basically replaces the ECHR with a UK government (most likely Tory) bill of rights, any UK citizen voting for this is a turkey voting for Christmas.
Voting out of what?
It's Theresa May that wants to leave ECHR and replace it with a bill of rights, regardless of the EU referendum result.
