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Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
“When we win, and we will win, we will forensically eradicate the woke mind virus.
Meritocracy MUST rule”.
https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/18...LTsVTx09ZSEfIA
These absolute bunch of nutters need to be sanctioned. WTF is the “woke mind virus?” They are really beginning to scare me.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
ninian opinian
“When we win, and we will win, we will forensically eradicate the woke mind virus.
Meritocracy MUST rule”.
https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/18...LTsVTx09ZSEfIA
These absolute bunch of nutters need to be sanctioned. WTF is the “woke mind virus?” They are really beginning to scare me.
Woke mind virus is a phrase that Elon Musk uses.
Essentially criticising series of policies that don't take account of common sense etc or whatever all the other aspects of what wokeism is or isn't..but that's where the phrase comes from.
Nothing to worry about. Basically about going back to 2005 or something like that!
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Woke mind virus is a phrase that Elon Musk uses.
Essentially criticising series of policies that don't take account of common sense etc or whatever all the other aspects of what wokeism is or isn't..but that's where the phrase comes from.
Nothing to worry about. Basically about going back to 2005 or something like that!
So a load of old bollox then. You’ve just made up what you think it means. It’s just a word salad. Musk is a raving lunatic and a racist as are Reform.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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ninian opinian
So a load of old bollox then. You’ve just made up what you think it means. It’s just a word salad. Musk is a raving lunatic and a racist as are Reform.
I haven't made it up at all, it's a phrase he's used often and there's a Le Monde article on it below
I think he's partly referring to people who label anything they don't like or understand as being racist and lunatic btw 👍
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/internatio...6714239_4.html
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
I haven't made it up at all, it's a phrase he's used often and there's a Le Monde article on it below
I think he's partly referring to people who label anything they don't like or understand as being racist and lunatic btw 👍
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/internatio...6714239_4.html
As I said he’s an absolute nutter as is anyone who believes that load of old bollox.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
ninian opinian
As I said he’s an absolute nutter as is anyone who believes that load of old bollox.
Okay!
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Woke mind virus is a phrase that Elon Musk uses.
Essentially criticising series of policies that don't take account of common sense etc or whatever all the other aspects of what wokeism is or isn't..but that's where the phrase comes from.
Nothing to worry about. Basically about going back to 2005 or something like that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Wales-Bales
Another load of old bollox.
Why do you believe that crap? The world’s gone crazy.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
ninian opinian
Another load of old bollox.
Why do you believe that crap? The world’s gone crazy.
Do you think everything you believe is true?
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Wales-Bales
Do you think everything you believe is true?
I don’t believe in imaginary things. I don’t believe in made up nonsense. I don’t believe in fairy tales.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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ninian opinian
I don’t believe in imaginary things. I don’t believe in made up nonsense. I don’t believe in fairy tales.
Woke ideology comes out of the social sciences and these theories can never be proven to be true, so in essence you have to buy into them which results in joining a tribe, and then the enemy is another tribe who think differently.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Wales-Bales
Woke ideology comes out of the social sciences and these theories can never be proven to be true, so in essence you have to buy into them which results in joining a tribe, and then the enemy is the another tribe.
Look up the meaning of woke,you just mind understand.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
jeepster
Look up the meaning of woke,you just mind understand.
I'm using it in the context of the original post.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Wales-Bales
I'm using it in the context of the original post.
:xmasthumbup:
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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ninian opinian
I don’t believe in imaginary things. I don’t believe in made up nonsense. I don’t believe in fairy tales.
Always a laugh taking Gluey beyond his usually glorifying platitudes. This time you have hooked a word salad worthy of wondering how many synapses snapped in its making.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Wales-Bales
Woke ideology comes out of the social sciences and these theories can never be proven to be true, so in essence you have to buy into them which results in joining a tribe, and then the enemy is another tribe who think differently.
I think you have that all wrong.
There is no unifying "woke ideology". There is no "woke manifesto". There isn't an agenda of things that have come from social science.
What there is is a group of people who struggle to deal with change, and so label many diverse examples of increased representation for minorities as "woke".
A black actress lands a major role - woke
A video game is woke apparently if it portrays a same sex couple i.e. Baldurs Gate or the last of us.
the Oscars were woke when Parasite won.
They just come across as a bunch of children who only want to see the same 2 movies over and over.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
Rupert Lowe again, somewhat misguided if he wants a meritocracy, unless he's planning on retiring and giving up his spot as an MP to someone who isnt a private school toff before reform win.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Rjk
I think you have that all wrong.
There is no unifying "woke ideology". There is no "woke manifesto". There isn't an agenda of things that have come from social science.
What there is is a group of people who struggle to deal with change, and so label many diverse examples of increased representation for minorities as "woke".
A black actress lands a major role - woke
A video game is woke apparently if it portrays a same sex couple i.e. Baldurs Gate or the last of us.
the Oscars were woke when Parasite won.
They just come across as a bunch of children who only want to see the same 2 movies over and over.
Woke is a stupid word and you have rightly exposed the weakness on the "anti-woke" side. But there is an equal weakness on the "woke" side that puts out identities above all over characteristicds, divides us along those lines and uses very shaky science to explain events on those characteristics. It's turned into a huge industry of people who have zero interest in seeing the injustices they purport to oppose actually reducing. What annoys me most is that none of it works. We made far more progress on the years before.
I hate "wokeness", whatever definition we use. I think it's extremely divisive. My favourite explanation of it remains this short parody which is well worth a watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev37...JhY2lzdA%3D%3D
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Woke is a stupid word and you have rightly exposed the weakness on the "anti-woke" side. But there is an equal weakness on the "woke" side that puts out identities above all over characteristicds, divides us along those lines and uses very shaky science to explain events on those characteristics. It's turned into a huge industry of people who have zero interest in seeing the injustices they purport to oppose actually reducing. What annoys me most is that none of it works. We made far more progress on the years before.
I hate "wokeness", whatever definition we use. I think it's extremely divisive. My favourite explanation of it remains this short parody which is well worth a watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev37...JhY2lzdA%3D%3D
The word woke is also almost as annoying as my stupid little typos from my fat thumbs on my phone.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
The word “Woke” should really be changed to postmodernism/ist IMO.
Woke was initially a term for Black Americans regarding the need for political consciousness.
Again, in my opinion, the word has been hijacked over the last decade or so as a use all to describe deconstructionism and intersectionality.
Or we could go back to the good old SJW.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I think you have that all wrong.
There is no unifying "woke ideology". There is no "woke manifesto". There isn't an agenda of things that have come from social science.
What there is is a group of people who struggle to deal with change, and so label many diverse examples of increased representation for minorities as "woke".
A black actress lands a major role - woke
A video game is woke apparently if it portrays a same sex couple i.e. Baldurs Gate or the last of us.
the Oscars were woke when Parasite won.
They just come across as a bunch of children who only want to see the same 2 movies over and over.
I was commenting on political matters in line with the opening post, not about individual cases. A lot of the academic output from various institutions has been taken up by governments and turned into policy, which other politicians disagree with.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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Wales-Bales
I gave up out of boredom after five minutes, but I couldn't help thinking about the likes of Nigel Farage, Tommy Robinson and Donald Trump exploiting people's fears about immigration, but that can't be right can it because the critical thinkers tend to back them don't they.
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Re: Rupert Lowe, Reform MP
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the other bob wilson
I gave up out of boredom after five minutes, but I couldn't help thinking about the likes of Nigel Farage, Tommy Robinson and Donald Trump exploiting people's fears about immigration, but that can't be right can it because the critical thinkers tend to back them don't they.
Unfortunately Bob, I dont think they are exploiting them, I just think they are listening to them, and after abject failures on that topic from both the main parties, I think it's actually a really important couple of years here now for the govt to demonstrate action.
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JamesWales
Unfortunately Bob, I dont think they are exploiting them, I just think they are listening to them, and after abject failures on that topic from both the main parties, I think it's actually a really important couple of years here now for the govt to demonstrate action.
I think it's a mix.
It's always good to trace this back to incentives. Why would a Tory government who would gain political capital amongst their supporters by lowering immigration sign off 350k work visas?
The simple answer is that they needed to to sustain the economy. Another more complex tinfoil hat answer is that they thought the public were idiots and the overall net migration number getting massive would help them justify more extreme policies to 'fix' migration.
I would go for the former. I think this comes down to a failure of our political system, in the sense that nobody can tell the truth about migration (and lots of other topics related to the economy) and get elected.
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Eric Cartman
I think it's a mix.
It's always good to trace this back to incentives. Why would a Tory government who would gain political capital amongst their supporters by lowering immigration sign off 350k work visas?
The simple answer is that they needed to to sustain the economy. Another more complex tinfoil hat answer is that they thought the public were idiots and the overall net migration number getting massive would help them justify more extreme policies to 'fix' migration.
I would go for the former. I think this comes down to a failure of our political system, in the sense that nobody can tell the truth about migration (and lots of other topics related to the economy) and get elected.
Yeah, I agree. I just dont think listening to people on a topic is "exploiting" it. I'm not sure I get why that is the case.
The Tories absolutely dropped the ball spectacularly on immigration. I guess some context is that they wanted to prove to naysayers that Britain was "open" after Brexit, and I think they also bowed to pressure from universities which seem to be based on a wholly unsustainable funding model at the moment (job cuts incoming), but yeah they messed up big time.