Re: Welsh people culturally
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Originally Posted by
Wozza16
Why are we Welsh people so polarised when it comes to being staunchly proud, get arsey when people don't recognise Wales as a country internationally etc but then such p*ssies when it comes to being treated fairly by the "UK" government? These are just a few examples;
Crown estate - Why does Scotland/NI get these profits but Wales not? Not to mention the 100s of years of mineral extraction and still ongoing with the £1 a year England pay for water, while Welsh water bills seem to go up massively.
HS2 - This is an absolute robbery but we complain enough about the Senedd wasting money then let Westminter get away with this. I honestly couldn't see any other country paying for another countries rail project like this anywhere in the world. There should be riots in the streets. £4billion could pay for 26,000 nurses for 4 years!
Covid treasury support - See above, absolutely incredible that people could ever believe it's an equal union when Wales gets rejected welfare funding for the firebreak lockdown then England gets it 2 weeks later when it follows suit.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4v7kwernmo
There's plenty that people in power in Wales get wrong but at least they're trying to improve Welsh peoples lives, not just downright rejecting them support when the need is clearly there and they have no argument not to provide.
It's not something that I'll honestly ever have to deal with as I moved to Australia for better opportunities and will now never return but it's something I just can't wrap my head around. Welsh people gobble up shit like this from the UK government then complain endlessly that things are getting worse, more expensive etc.
I've always thought it strange that the most patriotic Welsh people, are those who have left for a better life. Is that action speaking louder than words :hehe: I'd love to live in Perth and would support the Dockers in favour of the Eagles. I think you have done a great thing in leaving this shithole, the Welsh government were more draconian that their English counterparts during the lockdown, and this current UK government despises their citizens more than any other government during my lifetime, enjoy your time in Australia but please no lecturing on how the Kunts in power here are trying their best for us, they aint.
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Welsh patriots like Bryn terfyl and the Plaid Cymru fella who has recently passed away going on and on about being so proud to be Welsh, about the invaders from over the border exploiting us etc
And then supporting Manchester United ......a proudly ENGLISH football team based in one of ENGLANDS biggest cities
What an absolute load of bollocks
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Originally Posted by
Heathblue
I've always thought it strange that the most patriotic Welsh people, are those who have left for a better life. Is that action speaking louder than words :hehe: I'd love to live in Perth and would support the Dockers in favour of the Eagles. I think you have done a great thing in leaving this shithole, the Welsh government were more draconian that their English counterparts during the lockdown, and this current UK government despises their citizens more than any other government during my lifetime, enjoy your time in Australia but please no lecturing on how the Kunts in power here are trying their best for us, they aint.
Thatchers government liked the Welsh?
Yeah OK
Re: Welsh people culturally
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Originally Posted by
Wozza16
Why are we Welsh people so polarised when it comes to being staunchly proud, get arsey when people don't recognise Wales as a country internationally etc but then such p*ssies when it comes to being treated fairly by the "UK" government? These are just a few examples;
Crown estate - Why does Scotland/NI get these profits but Wales not? Not to mention the 100s of years of mineral extraction and still ongoing with the £1 a year England pay for water, while Welsh water bills seem to go up massively.
HS2 - This is an absolute robbery but we complain enough about the Senedd wasting money then let Westminter get away with this. I honestly couldn't see any other country paying for another countries rail project like this anywhere in the world. There should be riots in the streets. £4billion could pay for 26,000 nurses for 4 years!
Covid treasury support - See above, absolutely incredible that people could ever believe it's an equal union when Wales gets rejected welfare funding for the firebreak lockdown then England gets it 2 weeks later when it follows suit.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy4v7kwernmo
There's plenty that people in power in Wales get wrong but at least they're trying to improve Welsh peoples lives, not just downright rejecting them support when the need is clearly there and they have no argument not to provide.
It's not something that I'll honestly ever have to deal with as I moved to Australia for better opportunities and will now never return but it's something I just can't wrap my head around. Welsh people gobble up shit like this from the UK government then complain endlessly that things are getting worse, more expensive etc.
I think the Welsh are very good at grabbing the parts of culture that they like then basically being like lemmings when it comes to the rest
I mean if the Welsh language which is obviously very important wether you speak it or not has been attacked over the years by central government .....and it clearly has ......especially by The Conservative Party .....then how on earth can ANY person proud of their language , who speaks their language and is proud of their heritage ......vote conservative or in plenty of cases vote reform ��
It's laughable
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A few times a year out come the Welsh rugby shirts , hate the English then go back to voting conservative and now reform
Absolute joke ��
Re: Welsh people culturally
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Thatchers government liked the Welsh?
Yeah OK
Not at all and i never said she did but you knew that and went for a swerve.
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A lot of things about national identity (beyond the sporting realm, which is largely fun) is illusory, methinks.
We are all mongrels and we have more in common with people of our own humble status elsewhere than we had with the rulers who lauded it over us and foisted their symbology upon us, whether it be the Welsh feathers (originally from Bohemia), the motto 'Ich dien' (German), the red dragon (a mythical beast) and a patron saint sanctified for a mound appearing beneath his feet in order for him to preach effectively (the church having been foisted upon is by Rome in the first instance).
We seem to have an image of Wales set in amber and in a certain point in time - and we forget that the Celts were immigrants from the Continent.
Like people in many countries, we remember military victories and heroic defeats as markers of our collective culture.
The Welsh oiften like to distance themselves from the British Empire whilst singing Men of Harlech, a ditty used in the film 'Zulu' when the local tourists were picking off the local tribesmen.
Identity is often about what we feel and what we associate with rather than anything else. Discuss :-)
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Identity is about how we feel about ourselves and our roots, and is probably riddled with contradictions.
I was born in Wales but lived almost all of my life in England. I don't have many ingrained memories of Cardiff from my childhood - but I do have some (we stayed with grandparents in Cardiff regularly and came back to Wales on holiday). But from my earliest memories I have identified as from Cardiff and Wales (my unfortunate brother was born in Shrewsbury so has had an identity crisis all his life!). That feeling got deeper and stronger over time.
For me it is partly to do with history and a sense of injustice in the way Wales and its language and culture were crushed and subsumed into England (no act of union for us, unlike Scotland or Ireland). It was Owain Glydwr, Dic Penderyn, the Newport Rising, the Black Domain, the ethnic and national melting pot of South Wales, pride in the Fed, shame at the race riots, Nye Bevan, Cardiff City and Welsh rugby in the golden age. It was also exposure to low level anti-Welsh jokes and abuse from certain types of English twats - in my experience laddish suits in the construction industry.
Pride in roots, memories, a sense of place, protection of language and culture (I don't speak Welsh - but half my family do), a drive to assert that identity and push back against repression of all sorts defines small nation nationalism for me. It is resistance. Big nation nationalism is quite different. It can have some benign features and also be about maintenance of cultures, but it is often aggressive, imperialist and oppressive. There is a world of difference between Welsh, Basque or Palestinian nationalism on one hand and English, Russian or American nationalism on the other.
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Heathblue
Not at all and i never said she did but you knew that and went for a swerve.
You are clearly having a swipe at Welsh Labour and the current government intimating it hates its citizens more than any other
That's your opinion and I think your opinion is nonsense and loads of people who remember what Thatcher was like would put her government way above the admittedly poor show we have now
You silly plum
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Originally Posted by
Taunton Blue Genie
A lot of things about national identity (beyond the sporting realm, which is largely fun) is illusory, methinks.
We are all mongrels and we have more in common with people of our own humble status elsewhere than we had with the rulers who lauded it over us and foisted their symbology upon us, whether it be the Welsh feathers (originally from Bohemia), the motto 'Ich dien' (German), the red dragon (a mythical beast) and a patron saint sanctified for a mound appearing beneath his feet in order for him to preach effectively (the church having been foisted upon is by Rome in the first instance).
We seem to have an image of Wales set in amber and in a certain point in time - and we forget that the Celts were immigrants from the Continent.
Like people in many countries, we remember military victories and heroic defeats as markers of our collective culture.
The Welsh oiften like to distance themselves from the British Empire whilst singing Men of Harlech, a ditty used in the film 'Zulu' when the local tourists were picking off the local tribesmen.
Identity is often about what we feel and what we associate with rather than anything else. Discuss :-)
Absolutely spot on TBF, TBG. A great post.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
You are clearly having a swipe at Welsh Labour and the current government intimating it hates its citizens more than any other
That's your opinion and I think your opinion is nonsense and loads of people who remember what Thatcher was like would put her government way above the admittedly poor show we have now
You silly plum
Have you had another clot shot ?.
Re: Welsh people culturally
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Originally Posted by
Wozza16
It's not something that I'll honestly ever have to deal with as I moved to Australia for better opportunities and will now never return but it's something I just can't wrap my head around. Welsh people gobble up shit like this from the UK government then complain endlessly that things are getting worse, more expensive etc.
It's worse than you think, even the things that used to be good have turned to shit!
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Wales-Bales
It's worse than you think, even the things that used to be good have turned to shit!
Apparently it's Maggie's fault. How long has she been brown bread ?
Re: Welsh people culturally
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Identity is about how we feel about ourselves and our roots, and is probably riddled with contradictions.
I was born in Wales but lived almost all of my life in England. I don't have many ingrained memories of Cardiff from my childhood - but I do have some (we stayed with grandparents in Cardiff regularly and came back to Wales on holiday). But from my earliest memories I have identified as from Cardiff and Wales (my unfortunate brother was born in Shrewsbury so has had an identity crisis all his life!). That feeling got deeper and stronger over time.
For me it is partly to do with history and a sense of injustice in the way Wales and its language and culture were crushed and subsumed into England (no act of union for us, unlike Scotland or Ireland). It was Owain Glydwr, Dic Penderyn, the Newport Rising, the Black Domain, the ethnic and national melting pot of South Wales, pride in the Fed, shame at the race riots, Nye Bevan, Cardiff City and Welsh rugby in the golden age. It was also exposure to low level anti-Welsh jokes and abuse from certain types of English twats - in my experience laddish suits in the construction industry.
Pride in roots, memories, a sense of place, protection of language and culture (I don't speak Welsh - but half my family do), a drive to assert that identity and push back against repression of all sorts defines small nation nationalism for me. It is resistance. Big nation nationalism is quite different. It can have some benign features and also be about maintenance of cultures, but it is often aggressive, imperialist and oppressive. There is a world of difference between Welsh, Basque or Palestinian nationalism on one hand and English, Russian or American nationalism on the other.
Top post. A lot of great points there, we are a country who have suffered and been suppressed to the point of national submission rather a revolt nature of previous centuries.
Definitely didn't think I'd see Fremantle Dockers mentioned in this thread! They're much better than the Eagles in the past few seasons.
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Originally Posted by
Wozza16
Top post. A lot of great points there, we are a country who have suffered and been suppressed to the point of national submission rather a revolt nature of previous centuries.
Definitely didn't think I'd see Fremantle Dockers mentioned in this thread! They're much better than the Eagles in the past few seasons.
As far as I am concerned if people are going to talk about the pride in being Welsh, in Welsh culture and in the Welsh language then they need to walk the walk when it comes to probably the most visible show of passion and identity ......sport
So anyone playing this card loses all credibility when they vote conservative or reform.... or suck up to English football teams like Daffyd Ellis Thomas and the like
It's pathetic
Re: Welsh people culturally
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
Identity is about how we feel about ourselves and our roots, and is probably riddled with contradictions.
I was born in Wales but lived almost all of my life in England. I don't have many ingrained memories of Cardiff from my childhood - but I do have some (we stayed with grandparents in Cardiff regularly and came back to Wales on holiday). But from my earliest memories I have identified as from Cardiff and Wales (my unfortunate brother was born in Shrewsbury so has had an identity crisis all his life!). That feeling got deeper and stronger over time.
For me it is partly to do with history and a sense of injustice in the way Wales and its language and culture were crushed and subsumed into England (no act of union for us, unlike Scotland or Ireland). It was Owain Glydwr, Dic Penderyn, the Newport Rising, the Black Domain, the ethnic and national melting pot of South Wales, pride in the Fed, shame at the race riots, Nye Bevan, Cardiff City and Welsh rugby in the golden age. It was also exposure to low level anti-Welsh jokes and abuse from certain types of English twats - in my experience laddish suits in the construction industry.
Pride in roots, memories, a sense of place, protection of language and culture (I don't speak Welsh - but half my family do), a drive to assert that identity and push back against repression of all sorts defines small nation nationalism for me. It is resistance. Big nation nationalism is quite different. It can have some benign features and also be about maintenance of cultures, but it is often aggressive, imperialist and oppressive. There is a world of difference between Welsh, Basque or Palestinian nationalism on one hand and English, Russian or American nationalism on the other.
There's none so patriotic as someone who has always lived away from their perceived roots :-)
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Taunton Blue Genie
There's none so patriotic as someone who has always lived away from their perceived roots :-)
Liverpudlians
The Irish
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Taunton Blue Genie
There's none so patriotic as someone who has always lived away from their perceived roots :-)
I hope you're not taking the piss out of my daffodil hat? :hehe:
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jon1959
I hope you're not taking the piss out of my daffodil hat? :hehe:
If you have got one of those please keep it in a box under the stairs
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SLUDGE FACTORY
If you have got one of those please keep it in a box under the stairs
I have just checked and am happy to report I do not own a daffodil hat, have never owned (or worn) a daffodil hat, and think that the people who wear them at the big rugby 'events' look proper stupid.
I do though have a fine collection of Wales football bucket hats!
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jon1959
I hope you're not taking the piss out of my daffodil hat? :hehe:
Surely not. I'm sure that you are as genuine as all those who take part in New York's St Patrick Day's Parade :-)
By the way, regarding the subject of perceived identity, I remember reading in the German magazine 'Stern' about a chap who was born illegitimate and whose mother was made pregnant around the end of World War II.
She lived in what was to become the GDR and informed her son that she was taken advantage of by an American soldier, who had duly disappeared after a quick pecadillo. Growing up in East Germany the son felt different to his peers regarding his status but came to take an interest in his American roots. He couldn't identify his father but he started collecting trinkets in the way of cap badges and other paraphernalia. When he became an adult he even got hold of an old American car and embraced his 'otherness' as it were.
That was until his mother was on her death bed and when she advised him that she had been raped by a Russian soldier but felt that it wouldn't be helpful in the circumstances to relate that to the communist authorities.
P.S. Should we really be proud of our roots when we had no say in what happened in history? And, equally, should young Germans, for example, have any shame regarding the actions of their forefathers as it's the other half of the same coin.......
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jon1959
I have just checked and am happy to report I do not own a daffodil hat, have never owned (or worn) a daffodil hat, and think that the people who wear them at the big rugby 'events' look proper stupid.
I do though have a fine collection of Wales football bucket hats!
Your criticism of people who live in Wales and attend rugby matches in such apparell has been noted. You are now on the hitlist of the Tafia.:wales:
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
I have just checked and am happy to report I do not own a daffodil hat, have never owned (or worn) a daffodil hat, and think that the people who wear them at the big rugby 'events' look proper stupid.
I do though have a fine collection of Wales football bucket hats!
Bucket hats are great
I know a woman who is a raving tory , born in Radyr , wears one of those stupid daffodil hats twice a year and also a " valley girl " t shirt
When Thatcher shut the pits I bet she was clapping
Patriotism eh
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Taunton Blue Genie
Your criticism of people who live in Wales and attend rugby matches in such apparell has been noted. You are now on the hitlist of the Tafia.:wales:
They can wear what they want but they look utterly stupid
Red and white hats and scarves are fine
It's the part time fake , pick what I want out of being Welsh that I find pathetic
It's no good singing the Welsh national anthem or y hyd and it's superb lyrics about resistance if you vote conservative .....who have trampled all over Wales and we're totally opposed to a Welsh government and instead of getting behind ALL Welsh sport ......drone on and on about Welsh rugby yet shun the local Welsh football sides
Once you do that ones claims to being patriotic or culturally Welsh are null and void
