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FT: CARDIFF CITY 2 - 3 BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
Match Officials:
Referee: ANDY DAVIES
Assistants: Robert Merchant and Timothy Wood
Fourth Official : Brett Huxtable
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
Hopefully we can get back to playing like we did in the first two games, if we do we should be able to brush blackburn aside who have come back in atrocious form - that being said they are due something and will play with not much to lose as their season is over if they don't win
As always hoping Paterson is removed from the starting XI. Lets not go over it as some people (no names mentioned) are far too overly enamoured by his cult status to recognise his limitations as a forward player - but if RG9 is fully fit get him straight in, otherwise Ward will do. Other than that I don't see room for any change in the starting XI, maybe Murphy or Whyte in for one of the wingers to relieve them but they're lacking game time so that seems unlikely.
Smithies
Sanderson
Nelson
Morrison
Bennett
Vaulks
Ralls
Bacuna
NML
Glatzel
Hoilett
4-1 City.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Hopefully we can get back to playing like we did in the first two games, if we do we should be able to brush blackburn aside who have come back in atrocious form - that being said they are due something and will play with not much to lose as their season is over if they don't win
As always hoping Paterson is removed from the starting XI. Lets not go over it as some people (no names mentioned) are far too overly enamoured by his cult status to recognise his limitations as a forward player - but if RG9 is fully fit get him straight in, otherwise Ward will do. Other than that I don't see room for any change in the starting XI, maybe Murphy or Whyte in for one of the wingers to relieve them but they're lacking game time so that seems unlikely.
Smithies
Sanderson
Nelson
Morrison
Bennett
Vaulks
Ralls
Bacuna
NML
Glatzel
Hoilett
4-1 City.
Why do people keep on saying “start without Patts” ????
He’s not the greatest, anyone can see that, BUT the 3 (THREE), games we’ve won, since the restart, we’ve had a plan in operation.
The one game we abandoned this plan, was the worst game of the season , not just since the comeback.
Yes, Robert went off injured, BUT, JUST BUT, maybe he was trying to hard to impress, whereas when he comes on as sub, the physical side of the game, has been sorted out by Patts.
Everyone wants to see skilful players, BUT, if you’ve got a winning formula, why change it . WE DID AND ONLY DREW, AGAINST LOWLY CHARLTON
LEAVE WELL ALONE
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
I tend to agree with this argument up to a point.
It's a gimme that Paterson is hardworking but not a natural centre forward. Perhaps he also could do with a bit of a rest.
So I reckon if Danny Ward is as fit as Pato, either he or Glatzel should start the game against Blackburn but we play a similar way same winning formula that is to say same shape and on the break, like the "away side".
We would still have the fresher centre forward option off the bench.
Blackburn need to win the game and It's unlikely they'll set up as Charlton did. There should be gaps for us to exploit with a striker who can exploit them.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
Blackburn's squad doesn't sound in the best of shape.
https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...-cardiff-city/
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Why do people keep on saying “start without Patts” ????
He’s not the greatest, anyone can see that, BUT the 3 (THREE), games we’ve won, since the restart, we’ve had a plan in operation.
The one game we abandoned this plan, was the worst game of the season , not just since the comeback.
Yes, Robert went off injured, BUT, JUST BUT, maybe he was trying to hard to impress, whereas when he comes on as sub, the physical side of the game, has been sorted out by Patts.
Everyone wants to see skilful players, BUT, if you’ve got a winning formula, why change it . WE DID AND ONLY DREW, AGAINST LOWLY CHARLTON
LEAVE WELL ALONE
Any defender that can't be physical for 90 minutes shouldn't play.
Are you saying Pato falling over continuously in his 70 uncreative minutes does that much of a job on defenders they can't barge a less physical Glatzel out of the game for 20 minutes?
Let's be honest. We have Ward and Glatzel, 2 ACTUAL strikers. Both can score and both offer movement. Arguably both so far seem better off the bench too, but wouldn't you rather risk playing an actual striker who may also find himself in an actual goal scoring position to actually score a goal in the first 70 minutes? What if we use Paterson who doesn't score or create, then the 20 minutes we allow out actual proper real as in played there all their lives strikers they don't manage to score? Through sheer defensive brilliance or individual brilliance by their keeper?
Strikers need to be a goal threat. End of.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Any defender that can't be physical for 90 minutes shouldn't play.
Are you saying Pato falling over continuously in his 70 uncreative minutes does that much of a job on defenders they can't barge a less physical Glatzel out of the game for 20 minutes?
Let's be honest. We have Ward and Glatzel, 2 ACTUAL strikers. Both can score and both offer movement. Arguably both so far seem better off the bench too, but wouldn't you rather risk playing an actual striker who may also find himself in an actual goal scoring position to actually score a goal in the first 70 minutes? What if we use Paterson who doesn't score or create, then the 20 minutes we allow out actual proper real as in played there all their lives strikers they don't manage to score? Through sheer defensive brilliance or individual brilliance by their keeper?
Strikers need to be a goal threat. End of.
There’s no “arguably” about it, it’s a fact, “both are better off the bench”
If you READ what I’m saying, “I’m saying it’s working for us at the moment, so don’t change a winning formula” .
I’m NOT saying I love it, but it’s working at the moment. Patts IS NOT A STRIKER, fact.
Happy now :hehe:
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
I was dreading this game earlier this season as it was just after Whitt’s death and it was his last club. It would have been an really emotional night. Still can’t believe what happened to him.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
There’s no “arguably” about it, it’s a fact, “both are better off the bench”
If you READ what I’m saying, “I’m saying it’s working for us at the moment, so don’t change a winning formula” .
I’m NOT saying I love it, but it’s working at the moment. Patts IS NOT A STRIKER, fact.
Happy now :hehe:
Better yes :hehe:
I've agreed in other posts the hard to beat method works, but I've also argued a lot of it is to do with the 3 we select in midfield. They're fit and press up the pitch.
I just won't ever justify a team with Paterson up top while I've got a hole in my arse. Danny ward didn't score on the weekend because Paterson tired out the defenders, he scored because Tomlin knew he could play that pass and ward would read it (you can't do that for Paterson can you?)
And the defenders tiring..surely Wards running can tire out defenders for 70 minutes with the added bonus of him being able to score goals and make better runs...this ALSO tiring the defenders out for our other ACTUAL striker to come on.
Paterson up top makes me want to turn my TV off.
And I would like to also argue that Neil Harris does indeed read the boards, judging by his post match comments of Paterson on Saturday, was almost like the praise he gave him was a finger up to the Paterson doubters on here :hehe:
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Better yes :hehe:
I've agreed in other posts the hard to beat method works, but I've also argued a lot of it is to do with the 3 we select in midfield. They're fit and press up the pitch.
I just won't ever justify a team with Paterson up top while I've got a hole in my arse. Danny ward didn't score on the weekend because Paterson tired out the defenders, he scored because Tomlin knew he could play that pass and ward would read it (you can't do that for Paterson can you?)
And the defenders tiring..surely Wards running can tire out defenders for 70 minutes with the added bonus of him being able to score goals and make better runs...this ALSO tiring the defenders out for our other ACTUAL striker to come on.
Calling all nerds, please help me here, “how many goals has Danny scored when he HAS STARTED ??
Paterson up top makes me want to turn my TV off.
And I would like to also argue that Neil Harris does indeed read the boards, judging by his post match comments of Paterson on Saturday, was almost like the praise he gave him was a finger up to the Paterson doubters on here :hehe:
Not many, I bet you :hehe:
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
I’d love to see us play a more beautiful version of the game, and there is no doubt we’re already much easier on the eye than we were under Warnock.... BUT we have 5 games to go, the style of football Harris has us playing and the selections he is making have got us in a position that I don’t think anyone on this board thought possible 25 games ago.
It’s an evolutionary approach and at this stage I’m taking a top 6 finish playing this way over any other way of playing that may have us finishing lower than 6... Now is not the time to piss about with something that’s obviously working... it’s not pretty, but it’s prettier than it was...
You’ll never find me saying that playing style (and not being in the playoffs) is more important than getting in the play offs playing an unattractive brand of football.
Didn’t work out too well for Lee Johnson... smug twat 🤣
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Not many, I bet you :hehe:
Well seeing as Paterson doesn't score there's nothing to lose. But having a striker on the pitch with a threat of scoring is definitely a gain.
I could go all day.
But let's not spoil the match thread before it really kicks off.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
StraightOuttaCanton
I’d love to see us play a more beautiful version of the game, and there is no doubt we’re already much easier on the eye than we were under Warnock.... BUT we have 5 games to go, the style of football Harris has us playing and the selections he is making have got us in a position that I don’t think anyone on this board thought possible 25 games ago.
It’s an evolutionary approach and at this stage I’m taking a top 6 finish playing this way over any other way of playing that may have us finishing lower than 6... Now is not the time to piss about with something that’s obviously working... it’s not pretty, but it’s prettier than it was...
You’ll never find me saying that playing style (and not being in the playoffs) is more important than getting in the play offs playing an unattractive brand of football.
Didn’t work out too well for Lee Johnson... smug twat 🤣
Personnel change.
I haven't seen anyone ask us to play like Barcelona or Wolves..
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
I would include Tomlin and Ward, then bring Glatzel on around 70 minutes.
There is always a danger that not scoring reasonably early puts no pressure on the opposition and as they reach the “20 minutes to go point”, they grow in confidence to hold for a point or perhaps steal all 3.
As the home team we need to put pressure on the away side and force them out of their shell.
Without Tomlin (and including Patterson) we severely reduce that opportunity
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Personnel change.
I haven't seen anyone ask us to play like Barcelona or Wolves..
Personnel change for what reason? To get better results?
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
StraightOuttaCanton
Personnel change for what reason? To get better results?
No. So we play like we've got 11 men on the pitch that want to touch the ball.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
Just noticed that Blackburn have beaten us once since 1985 (12 games) and that was in the FA Cup. There we are then, that's the kiss of death :hehe::facepalm:
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
No. So we play like we've got 11 men on the pitch that want to touch the ball.
That’s where we differ then... with 5 games to go just get the requisite number of points in any way possible. In 3 out of 4 games that has involved playing a particular way and got us 9 points... the other way got us a point. It’s not a great statistical sample admittedly but if it ain’t broke
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
StraightOuttaCanton
That’s where we differ then... with 5 games to go just get the requisite number of points in any way possible. In 3 out of 4 games that has involved playing a particular way and got us 9 points... the other way got us a point. It’s not a great statistical sample admittedly but if it ain’t broke
People have argued we don't play any different after the subs (tactics wise)
Some of us are arguing to play a striker up top and not Paterson. Not seen any of us mention playing differently
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
People have argued we don't play any different after the subs (tactics wise)
Some of us are arguing to play a striker up top and not Paterson. Not seen any of us mention playing differently
It’s probably futile, but would you concede that playing Paterson up top means that we have to play differently to when someone else plays that role...or perhaps you think that Ward (Or Glatzel for that matter) would be more effective than Paterson at the pressing game?
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
StraightOuttaCanton
It’s probably futile, but would you concede that playing Paterson up top means that we have to play differently to when someone else plays that role...or perhaps you think that Ward (Or Glatzel for that matter) would be more effective than Paterson at the pressing game?
Not really in my opinion. People say Paterson is used up top to tire defenders down, that's rubbish and equally something a fit striker who finishes can do. Some people say he is good at heading as an outlet, they're incorrect, it's one of the worst points of his game. Some other people believe that he is good at holding the ball up, which I'd say whilst he isn't really good at that, he is good at going down at the first sign of contact, well a fit striker who knows where the net is can do that.
Point is, he doesn't exclusively do anything that Ward and Glatzel couldn't, oh and they have an attackers brain and a tidy touch and eye for goal that Paterson doesn't.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Not really in my opinion. People say Paterson is used up top to tire defenders down, that's rubbish and equally something a fit striker who finishes can do. Some people say he is good at heading as an outlet, they're incorrect, it's one of the worst points of his game. Some other people believe that he is good at holding the ball up, which I'd say whilst he isn't really good at that, he is good at going down at the first sign of contact, well a fit striker who knows where the net is can do that.
Point is, he doesn't exclusively do anything that Ward and Glatzel couldn't, oh and they have an attackers brain and a tidy touch and eye for goal that Paterson doesn't.
That’s the good thing about opinions
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Not really in my opinion. People say Paterson is used up top to tire defenders down, that's rubbish and equally something a fit striker who finishes can do. Some people say he is good at heading as an outlet, they're incorrect, it's one of the worst points of his game. Some other people believe that he is good at holding the ball up, which I'd say whilst he isn't really good at that, he is good at going down at the first sign of contact, well a fit striker who knows where the net is can do that.
Point is, he doesn't exclusively do anything that Ward and Glatzel couldn't, oh and they have an attackers brain and a tidy touch and eye for goal that Paterson doesn't.
Paterson was a right back for Hearts and Scotland, Warnock wanted to use him as a battering ram so said he couldn’t defend! If they’re both fit,I’d start with Glatzel then bring on Ward. Use Paterson in his correct position and as a backup centre forward until we bring someone else in the next window. Paterson will save us money as only one right back needed for next season!
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
I expect Patto to start as usual. May need to freshen wingers up as Hoilett looking leggy.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
Just a point in this Callum Paterson is not a striker argument - he has 7 goals this season, same as Glatzel and Ward. He scored 10 goals in the season we went up.
He’s not a natural striker but he puts in hell of a shift every game, often the only blue shirt in the oppositions half at times.
With another game on Friday we may need to rotate the squad but we shouldn’t under value his contribution to the side
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
StraightOuttaCanton
That’s the good thing about opinions
That I'm right and you're wrong?
:biggrin:
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
I don't think anyone is arguing Glatzel & Ward aren't technically better strikers than Pats. Glatzel looks a classy player but seems to lack the Championship know-how & hardness that would allow 46 x 90mins. He is an instinctive finisher but IMO does not offer enough in the early stages. He's almost definitely better than what he's shown this season but is not someone I'd bank on next year whether it be in the Championship or beyond. Doesn't seem to be aware of his own build & size.
I love Wardy, classic finisher with clever movement. Just let down by a lack of pace and power which is unmissable when up against two lout centre halves. Bagged some crucial goals over the years (Fulham (A) difference between 2nd & 3rd, of course) but cannot be considered a starter for me. He is limp and tires quickly, and is much more suited to playing vs a ragged defence (who isn't?!).
I think some are severely underestimating
a) the work Paterson does for 70 odd minutes
b) the impact that 70 minutes of hard-running & getting leathered can have on a back four / the space it creates
Paterson leading the line is not what I envisaged this time last year. I was hoping for the class-act 20 goals a season lad we've been lacking for a good decade now. It wasn't to be. When you consider our 3 options and what they offer, it is clear that Paterson from the off is our most effective. He is hard to watch at the best of times, seeing him entangled in melee's on the deck more suited to the egg-chasing also f***s my head up - but it's the best thing we've got. He is by now an experienced Championship battler who knows the score, has done it before and has a real love for the club. Selecting Glatzel or Ward now for our last five games seems backwards. We have watched the pair start & make little impact, also leaving us with less options of the bench to switch it up. I understand the disdain / perceived 'small-mindedness' for condoning /supporting this brutality of Pats up top, and would take a different stance if it were October, but when it's crunch-time I will take those points any which way please sir.
This is a point that has been cited abundantly that I will reiterate for the sake of this post. Like it or not, he does much of the dirty-work that enables the likes of Tomlin, NML (another with slow starter but super sub syndrome), Ward & Glatzel to benefit. Anyone doubting that has clearly never played 90 minutes of football and experienced the fatigue of body & mind that comes in the closing stages - regardless of the level you're playing at. Paterson gets at the back four, runs them ragged down the channels and hits sh*t out them to boot. It isn't pretty, but underestimating his work rate and contribution to the team, as doglike as it is, seems to me, shortsighted. It is all good and well saying "he had a great 20 mins, imagine he played all 90", but the fact is - coming off the bench as a striker is a completely different animal to starting the game. I sincerely believe he offers a physicality that Glatzel is yet to discover and Ward does not have.
Is it a coincidence we're up there in 'Goals from Subs' & 'Last 15 Goals' charts? Or that our strikers don't score from the start but are prolific off the bench?
We all suffer delusions of grandeur of the fancy football pipedream where actual footballers play in their actual positions. So I forgive you. Are we going to simply outplay Brentford and Fulham in the play-offs? You've got to work with what you have.
Any lone striker featuring in our more recent set-ups isn't going to have it easy, especially in the first half. I am not saying Pats is City's greatest No.9 of all time but we have somehow forged a winning formula, I'll stick please guvnor.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Don Corleone
Just a point in this Callum Paterson is not a striker argument - he has 7 goals this season, same as Glatzel and Ward. He scored 10 goals in the season we went up.
He’s not a natural striker but he puts in hell of a shift every game, often the only blue shirt in the oppositions half at times.
With another game on Friday we may need to rotate the squad but we shouldn’t under value his contribution to the side
I think Pato softens and wind up defender's , and is started for that very reason , it perhaps then allows fresh ,legs to come on with 20 to go finish them off , it does seem when Glatzel and Ward start they run out of ideas after 70 minutes, perhaps they are better suited as impact sub's and not full 90 minute strikers
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
1927stepsbeyond
I don't think anyone is arguing Glatzel & Ward aren't technically better strikers than Pats. Glatzel looks a classy player but seems to lack the Championship know-how & hardness that would allow 46 x 90mins. He is an instinctive finisher but IMO does not offer enough in the early stages. He's almost definitely better than what he's shown this season but is not someone I'd bank on next year whether it be in the Championship or beyond. Doesn't seem to be aware of his own build & size.
I love Wardy, classic finisher with clever movement. Just let down by a lack of pace and power which is unmissable when up against two lout centre halves. Bagged some crucial goals over the years (Fulham (A) difference between 2nd & 3rd, of course) but cannot be considered a starter for me. He is limp and tires quickly, and is much more suited to playing vs a ragged defence (who isn't?!).
I think some are severely underestimating
a) the work Paterson does for 70 odd minutes
b) the impact that 70 minutes of hard-running & getting leathered can have on a back four / the space it creates
Paterson leading the line is not what I envisaged this time last year. I was hoping for the class-act 20 goals a season lad we've been lacking for a good decade now. It wasn't to be. When you consider our 3 options and what they offer, it is clear that Paterson from the off is our most effective. He is hard to watch at the best of times, seeing him entangled in melee's on the deck more suited to the egg-chasing also f***s my head up - but it's the best thing we've got. He is by now an experienced Championship battler who knows the score, has done it before and has a real love for the club. Selecting Glatzel or Ward now for our last five games seems backwards. We have watched the pair start & make little impact, also leaving us with less options of the bench to switch it up. I understand the disdain / perceived 'small-mindedness' for condoning /supporting this brutality of Pats up top, and would take a different stance if it were October, but when it's crunch-time I will take those points any which way please sir.
This is a point that has been cited abundantly that I will reiterate for the sake of this post. Like it or not, he does much of the dirty-work that enables the likes of Tomlin, NML (another with slow starter but super sub syndrome), Ward & Glatzel to benefit. Anyone doubting that has clearly never played 90 minutes of football and experienced the fatigue of body & mind that comes in the closing stages - regardless of the level you're playing at. Paterson gets at the back four, runs them ragged down the channels and hits sh*t out them to boot. It isn't pretty, but underestimating his work rate and contribution to the team, as doglike as it is, seems to me, shortsighted. It is all good and well saying "he had a great 20 mins, imagine he played all 90", but the fact is - coming off the bench as a striker is a completely different animal to starting the game. I sincerely believe he offers a physicality that Glatzel is yet to discover and Ward does not have.
Is it a coincidence we're up there in 'Goals from Subs' & 'Last 15 Goals' charts? Or that our strikers don't score from the start but are prolific off the bench?
We all suffer delusions of grandeur of the fancy football pipedream where actual footballers play in their actual positions. So I forgive you. Are we going to simply outplay Brentford and Fulham in the play-offs? You've got to work with what you have.
Any lone striker featuring in our more recent set-ups isn't going to have it easy, especially in the first half. I am not saying Pats is City's greatest No.9 of all time but we have somehow forged a winning formula, I'll stick please guvnor.
excellent post
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
1927stepsbeyond
I don't think anyone is arguing Glatzel & Ward aren't technically better strikers than Pats. Glatzel looks a classy player but seems to lack the Championship know-how & hardness that would allow 46 x 90mins. He is an instinctive finisher but IMO does not offer enough in the early stages. He's almost definitely better than what he's shown this season but is not someone I'd bank on next year whether it be in the Championship or beyond. Doesn't seem to be aware of his own build & size.
I love Wardy, classic finisher with clever movement. Just let down by a lack of pace and power which is unmissable when up against two lout centre halves. Bagged some crucial goals over the years (Fulham (A) difference between 2nd & 3rd, of course) but cannot be considered a starter for me. He is limp and tires quickly, and is much more suited to playing vs a ragged defence (who isn't?!).
I think some are severely underestimating
a) the work Paterson does for 70 odd minutes
b) the impact that 70 minutes of hard-running & getting leathered can have on a back four / the space it creates
Paterson leading the line is not what I envisaged this time last year. I was hoping for the class-act 20 goals a season lad we've been lacking for a good decade now. It wasn't to be. When you consider our 3 options and what they offer, it is clear that Paterson from the off is our most effective. He is hard to watch at the best of times, seeing him entangled in melee's on the deck more suited to the egg-chasing also f***s my head up - but it's the best thing we've got. He is by now an experienced Championship battler who knows the score, has done it before and has a real love for the club. Selecting Glatzel or Ward now for our last five games seems backwards. We have watched the pair start & make little impact, also leaving us with less options of the bench to switch it up. I understand the disdain / perceived 'small-mindedness' for condoning /supporting this brutality of Pats up top, and would take a different stance if it were October, but when it's crunch-time I will take those points any which way please sir.
This is a point that has been cited abundantly that I will reiterate for the sake of this post. Like it or not, he does much of the dirty-work that enables the likes of Tomlin, NML (another with slow starter but super sub syndrome), Ward & Glatzel to benefit. Anyone doubting that has clearly never played 90 minutes of football and experienced the fatigue of body & mind that comes in the closing stages - regardless of the level you're playing at. Paterson gets at the back four, runs them ragged down the channels and hits sh*t out them to boot. It isn't pretty, but underestimating his work rate and contribution to the team, as doglike as it is, seems to me, shortsighted. It is all good and well saying "he had a great 20 mins, imagine he played all 90", but the fact is - coming off the bench as a striker is a completely different animal to starting the game. I sincerely believe he offers a physicality that Glatzel is yet to discover and Ward does not have.
Is it a coincidence we're up there in 'Goals from Subs' & 'Last 15 Goals' charts? Or that our strikers don't score from the start but are prolific off the bench?
We all suffer delusions of grandeur of the fancy football pipedream where actual footballers play in their actual positions. So I forgive you. Are we going to simply outplay Brentford and Fulham in the play-offs? You've got to work with what you have.
Any lone striker featuring in our more recent set-ups isn't going to have it easy, especially in the first half. I am not saying Pats is City's greatest No.9 of all time but we have somehow forged a winning formula, I'll stick please guvnor.
I looked... this was your 6th post since 2017...but it sums up exactly how I feel...(and tried and failed to express 🤣).... why don’t you post more often? Good stuff
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
StraightOuttaCanton
It’s probably futile, but would you concede that playing Paterson up top means that we have to play differently to when someone else plays that role...or perhaps you think that Ward (Or Glatzel for that matter) would be more effective than Paterson at the pressing game?
I think we play different when we make changes, others argue we play the same game.
I see your point about pressing, so we would play slightly different if Ward/Glatzel started. The other 9 outfield players jobs wouldn't change and the striker would still be there to pick up the balls played up top, we would be swapping a nuisance that falls over a lot for a mobile player that knows where to run and can bring more goal threat.
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Not really in my opinion. People say Paterson is used up top to tire defenders down, that's rubbish and equally something a fit striker who finishes can do. Some people say he is good at heading as an outlet, they're incorrect, it's one of the worst points of his game. Some other people believe that he is good at holding the ball up, which I'd say whilst he isn't really good at that, he is good at going down at the first sign of contact, well a fit striker who knows where the net is can do that.
Point is, he doesn't exclusively do anything that Ward and Glatzel couldn't, oh and they have an attackers brain and a tidy touch and eye for goal that Paterson doesn't.
:congrats:
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
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Originally Posted by
Der Kaiser
Not really in my opinion. People say Paterson is used up top to tire defenders down, that's rubbish and equally something a fit striker who finishes can do. Some people say he is good at heading as an outlet, they're incorrect, it's one of the worst points of his game. Some other people believe that he is good at holding the ball up, which I'd say whilst he isn't really good at that, he is good at going down at the first sign of contact, well a fit striker who knows where the net is can do that.
Point is, he doesn't exclusively do anything that Ward and Glatzel couldn't, oh and they have an attackers brain and a tidy touch and eye for goal that Paterson DOESN’T
Scored 7 , how many have Robert & Danny scored.
There’s no “I”, in team, and the tactics at the moment (notice, AT THE MOMENT) work for this TEAM !!!!
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Scored 7 , how many have Robert & Danny scored.
There’s no “I”, in team, and the tactics at the moment (notice, AT THE MOMENT) work for this TEAM !!!!
Since the restart is probably a good place to start on recent form.
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Since the restart is probably a good place to start on recent form.
I love these portable “goalposts” :hehe::hehe:
Don’t stand up to quick !!!! :wave:
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Re: CARDIFF CITY v BLACKBURN ROVERS. Match thread
Danny Ward 847 mins 6 goals
Robert Glatzel 1518 mins 6 goals
Callum Paterson 1696 mins 5 goals.
https://www.whoscored.com/Players/25...allum-Paterson
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
I love these portable “goalposts” :hehe::hehe:
Don’t stand up to quick !!!! :wave:
Seems relevant. But I've posted stats down below too.
Was fine yesterday and fine today, was on hold to the doctor's 15 mins from 8.30 and got knocked off 2 mins ago. And people asked why I did work related stuff yesterday...
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
Since the restart is probably a good place to start on recent form.
OK, let’s, :———/
3 games starting with Patts, WON
1 game, not starting with Patts, drew
Nuf said :hehe::hehe:
Doctor’s receptionists “rule the world”, didn’t you know :hehe:
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
I love these portable “goalposts” :hehe::hehe:
Don’t stand up to quick !!!! :wave:
Sort your to and toos out:hehe:
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Originally Posted by
BLUETIT
Why do people keep on saying “start without Patts” ????
He’s not the greatest, anyone can see that, BUT the 3 (THREE), games we’ve won, since the restart, we’ve had a plan in operation.
The one game we abandoned this plan, was the worst game of the season , not just since the comeback.
Yes, Robert went off injured, BUT, JUST BUT, maybe he was trying to hard to impress, whereas when he comes on as sub, the physical side of the game, has been sorted out by Patts.
Everyone wants to see skilful players, BUT, if you’ve got a winning formula, why change it . WE DID AND ONLY DREW, AGAINST LOWLY CHARLTON
LEAVE WELL ALONE
Patterson has scored many vital goals. I may be wrong but many of them seem to have been from wishing the six yard box our just outside it often from rebounds or knock downs and all credit to him for that.
The type of goals that an old fashioned no. 10 would score.
As a number 9, other than being a nuisance, he isn’t so effective.
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