48 letters apparently...........
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48 letters apparently...........
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ns-vote-latest
I make it 32.Quote:
Originally Posted by Veg1960
Sounds like a Tory leadership contest is about to trigger
now that's 48 letters!
Or its a political tool being used to convince European leaders to agree with May , or we crash out . If its is a rel challenge and they fail to depose her ,she stays, and they cannot go again until after Brexit , all very house of cards stuff ?
Whatever it is, the notion of the Tories having no confidence votes in their leader with just three months left before we are supposed to be leaving is absurd and offers yet more evidence that this country which so many leavers talk up as if we still have an Empire is, justifiably, an international laughing stock.
I've been pretty scathing about Corbyn recently, but, in purely party political terms, you can see why he is not pursuing a no confidence vote when the Government are doing such a good job as the main opposition party!
Just think how bad it would be if we didn't have strong and stable, eh? I'm glad we don't have chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
In a nutshell as I can’t be arsed googling it is it a yes/no if she wins more then 50% she wins?
Yes but a bit like Thatcher the higher the votes against the greater the likelihood she would be encouraged to quit.Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2
As usual, this is coming down to being all about the Conservative party and the absolute obsession some of their MPs have with the EU. It might be that he is a very good constituency MP, but Bill Cash has been a member of Parliament for thirty four years according to Wikipedia and in all of that time, I've never heard him talk about anything else except the EU and his expenses!
This is what the whole Brexit disaster was about from day 1. Dodgy Dave was worried his party was haemorrhaging members to UKIP, so succumbed to pressure and held the referendum. Once the vote went to Leave, he knew there was never going to be a satisfactory outcome, so ran for the hills.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
Riding on the crest of the wave, Buffoon Johnson and Fickle Gove decided they'd have a go, but very quickly realised the sh1t sandwich that was being served wouldn't suit their agenda. Leaving Tessy Dismay to pick up the baton and run with it, knowing that whatever happened would ruin her career.
They're now waiting in the wings in their suits of armour on their white chargers ready to rescue the damsel (tory party) in distress. Whatever happens now with Brexit, they'll be able to lay the blame squarely at the feet of Tess and proclaim there's nothing they can do to resolve the sh1t state she's left the country in.
Unfortunately for them, there are few new pretenders to the throne that could put up a good challenge against them.
Whatever happens, the winners will be the wealthy political classes of both main stream parties.
Brilliant, hadn't seen that posted on here for what seems like hours?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
Will the likes of Rees-Mogg or Boris really want their job or will they prefer to sacrifice another Tory to carry out their dirty work, rather than ruin their own "reputations"
I think you may be right. Is it too early for the "cavalry" to come to the rescue yet? Maybe they'll wait until we know the end result either way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
She appeared relaxed and quietly confident today ahead of the vote. But over 100 against her, surely she must go.
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Even more bizarre times. I suspect a general election, or possibly minority Labour administration more likely than her handing over power to the ERG.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
She's the turd who won't flush. Most of those 200 came from those she's given .gov jobs to.
Ah the ERG line. If you believe that there weren't a sizeable number of ambitious or mendacious members of the government who voted against her in the secret ballot you are even more politically naive than even your posts suggest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
Think your right .Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Within the Tory ranks there are actually some moderate thinkers (ironic I know, for some Labour voters to swallow , that the words moderate and Tory ,go together, lol)
There's a view in the moderate thinking Tory brigade, that the ERG are bloody dangerous extremists, noticed Mogg has said he has no interest in Leadership, he just likes a snipe at folk ,got no balls to put himself put there, takes a lot to become a leader and lead and push through unpopular decisions and choices ,so much easier to utter populist statements, and just disagree with other people's decisions and play to the media.
^^^^ thisQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I thought this whole sorry episode needed one of the " hard brexitters " to step forward before the vote and say " this is how its going to be, I will stand, lets do this " instead you had Mogg standing in the shadows looking like the snake he is
maybe i was expecting too much of a politician
Just so we're clear, any Eurosceptic advocating no deal is an extremist?
They likely wouldn't get on the ballot anyway. The moderates (not a word I would use for people pushing the privatisation of the school system or clapping along to the rollout of toxic benefit reform) would organise and split their vote to keep someone like mogg out of the running. Maybe this is a good thing in some people's eyes (see Corbyn) but it does mean that the leader is unlikely to be representative of the membership.Quote:
Originally Posted by blue matt
We don't know how secret the secret ballot was. If it was identical to all the secret ballots I participated in until 1997 (the last time I voted) then it wasn't secret at all as ballot papers included a set of numbers that corresponded with the voter's name which made them and who they voted for easily identifiable. I don't doubt your definition of a secret ballot is different to mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Surely there is only one definition for the term and your experience 31 years ago didn't fit the description.Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
You have to realise that the last time Organ voted was just prior to when Warner Brothers released The Matrix. A Hollywood blockbuster starring Keanu Reeves that netted the studio hundreds of millions of dollars. It's central thrust is that most of us live in a simulated reality engineered by ....well, amongst others, global media companies such as Warner Brothers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Only those with true enlightenment realise this so those voting in elections where your vote can be traced (I agree that this is possible) can be tracked down by the state whenever Judgment Day commences (usually on a Friday unless the global financial crash or WW III hasn't already pre-booked that slot)!
The word could be out of context ,I suspect, when read , and by whom , its noun description is a person who holds extreme political or religious views, especially one who advocates illegal, violent, [B]or other extreme action. [/B]Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I think the highlighted section above ( extreme action. ) could be considered by some a correct term as the potential action , of crashing out with no deal on WTO rules, favoured by some of the ERG , as a better option than the May deal, could be considered as extreme action, it could in the short term hurt a lot of people further down the food chain , with prices , job loss ,and the temporary supply chain of goods to the UK , so one could consider that as extreme action.
Any ballot would have to stand up to some form of audit scrutiny .Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.
why did Sir Graham Brady, chairman of the 1922 Committee of Tory backbenchers, publicly urged the Prime Minister to put off the vote until the party row over the so-called Northern Ireland backstop could be resolved
I agree but considering at any given moment 30-40% of the public seem to want no deal why do we care what the 'will of the people' is? If it wasn't for the decision to force the government to give parliament we would be leaving the EU, getting May's withdrawal deal and an unknown future relationship because those extreme elements want no deal. This makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Credit to you for acknowledging it's 'possible' although I would substitute that word for 'simplicity' in the interests of accuracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Quite recently I read a court report concerning a woman done for benefit fraud. She had been shacked-up with a bloke for years and hadn't bothered telling the social about him or the income he brought into the household. She was rumbled because he had a Just Eat account registered in his name at that address. Now, I will contend, when the state routinely mines that kind of data, which few would argue has any national security implications, then it would be very interested in surreptitiously profiling citizens' political preferences.
Spot on.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
No deal is a busted flush. Polls generally suggest a roughly equal split between LEAVE voters of those wanting a deal and those not wanting one. No deal in Westminster is a hard line act of wanting to not be bound by EU regulations on tax avoidance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
If there is a hard Brexit the politicians in Westminster can still be voted out, and new laws on tax avoidance can be written. It's more democratic than having one foot left inside the EU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Yep none of it makes sense, other than there was a vote to leave , and the majority of parliament wants to remain ,its like the school master telling off the naughty child,because he considers himself wiser in all things.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I think there are worse turds then her floating around, at least she is trying to unravel this mess set by others, however miss guided it may seem, your turd targeted should be spread wider .Quote:
Originally Posted by Organ Morgan.