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Big Clubs And Where We Stand In The List
https://fanbanter.co.uk/how-englands...ge-attendance/
Although it's based on historical attendances , I think this gets it about right
We are a mid placed second tier football club , wish we weren't but there you go
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SLUDGE FACTORY
..I'll tell you who took any notice
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kendoddsdadsdogsdead
..I'll tell you who took any notice
Faaacking no one !
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If you do it on historical league position, we’re also around the same position.
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Chelsea, as stated numerous times, a historically well supported club prior to investment, and it’s lean times in the 80’s where it nearly went bankrupt due to the construction of the East Stand.
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Des Parrot
If you do it on historical league position, we’re also around the same position.
Yep , mid table championship team .....with a lot of potential ....ad nauseum
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TWGL1
Chelsea, as stated numerous times, a historically well supported club prior to investment, and it’s lean times in the 80’s where it nearly went bankrupt due to the construction of the East Stand.
Chelsea are one of the biggest clubs in the country
My mate from Southport , an Everton fan is always saying the same
I say to him if Everton were relegated to Sunderlands position and stayed in league 1 for a few seasons they wouldn't be getting 30000 a week like Sunderland do
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Chelseas support in the 80s was utter gash. They were poorly supported until Matthew Harding came along in the 90s.
Big club my arse
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DryCleaning
Chelseas support in the 80s was utter gash. They were poorly supported until Matthew Harding came along in the 90s.
Big club my arse
The support of all clubs in the eighties was poor
Have you looked at ours ?
Leeds v Cardiff , 1983 , 1000 of us
12500 at Elland Road
Birmingham City , Promotion game v us , about to be relegated, 2500 of us
15000 at St Andrews
Newcastle v Us , 1984
14500 St James Park
But Chelsea and Newcastle etc, as proved by the figures are generally big clubs with big support
Unfortunately we ain't
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The support of all clubs in the eighties was poor
Have you looked at ours ?
Leeds v Cardiff , 1983 , 1000 of us
12500 at Elland Road
Birmingham City , Promotion game v us , about to be relegated, 2500 of us
15000 at St Andrews
Newcastle v Us , 1984
14500 St James Park
But Chelsea and Newcastle etc, as proved by the figures are generally big clubs with big support
Unfortunately we ain't
I never made comment about us. I know exactly were we sit in the grand scheme of things. We are about a middling championship team in terms of history and support.
You think Chelsea are a big club, their historic league attendances would disagree with you.
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Top 6 in the all-time attendance league. Not too shabby.
Manchester United – 40,360
Liverpool – 34,763
Arsenal – 34,701
Tottenham – 34,101
Newcastle – 32,757
Chelsea – 32,473
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Correcting....
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NYCBlue
Top 6 in the all-time attendance league. Not too shabby.
Manchester United – 40,360
Liverpool – 34,763
Arsenal – 34,701
Tottenham – 34,101
Newcastle – 32,757
Chelsea – 32,473
I find that very hard to believe, given Man united have had an average less 40,360 for 7 seasons since 1949/50
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DryCleaning
I find that very hard to believe, given Man united have had an
average less 40,360 for 7 seasons since 1949/50
Maybe they weren't so popular for the 50+ years prior to that.
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NYCBlue
Maybe they weren't so popular for the 50+ years prior to that.
But Chelsea were?
*doubt
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DryCleaning
But Chelsea were?
*doubt
Didn’t they get crowds of 60/75,000 once upon a time?
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DryCleaning
I never made comment about us. I know exactly were we sit in the grand scheme of things. We are about a middling championship team in terms of history and support.
You think Chelsea are a big club,
their historic league attendances would disagree with you.
The point is you said Chelsea had poor crowds in the eighties ......so did most British clubs
They had a season when they averaged 18000
That season we averaged 2904
Same with Newcastle , a season of poor gates and people think they are fickle fans whilst the team we supported were getting shocking gates
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Considering we have spent most of our existence in the lower leagues it's to be expected. If we had spent as many years in the top league as Man utd then we would be much higher.
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Alfresco
Considering we have spent most of our existence in the lower leagues it's to be expected. If we had spent as many years in the top league as Man utd then we would be much higher.
We have spent many years in the lower leagues because we dont have the fan base or interest in ccfc
When we went down from the championship in 1986 ish it took us 17 years to get back
It's taken Sunderland 3 years and Sheff Weds won't be long coming back up
That's why they are big clubs
Pompey have been down a few years but I doubt it will take them long to get back up
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The point is you said Chelsea had poor crowds in the eighties ......so did most British clubs
They had a season when they averaged 18000
That season we averaged 2904
Same with Newcastle , a season of poor gates and people think they are fickle fans whilst the team we supported were getting shocking gates
Chelsea had 8000 for a game in the then 2nd division.
Even by 80s standards that was gash
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SLUDGE FACTORY
We have spent many years in the lower leagues because we dont have the fan base or interest in ccfc
When we went down from the championship in 1986 ish it took us 17 years to get back
Out of interest, do you really think that if we went down to League 1 we'd get sub 10,000 crowds again, or even worse, crowds of less than 5,000?
I don't. Not at all. Things have changed quite a bit since then.
Our crowds have fluctuated over the years - success = more through the turnstiles. At our current stadium we've had 4 seasons where our average crowd has been below 20k. This is our best run of home attendances since relegation from Division 1 in 1962.
As for Sunderland, in the 80s their crowd virtually halved after promotion to Division 1 and then relegation to Division 3. Their crowds doubled after they left Roker Park. Ours increased after we left Ninian Park and we haven't looked back.
The 80s and 90s were shit, but they ain't coming back.
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DryCleaning
But Chelsea were?
*doubt
In the 30s, 40's and 50s they got crowds of over 70,000. Their record attendance at Stamford Bridge is over 80,000. I'm no fan of Chelsea. They're probably my least favorite club. All I did was google a table of historical attendances and Chelsea were 6th on the list. If you don't believe it, do your own research.
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DryCleaning
Chelsea had 8000 for a game in the then 2nd division.
Even by 80s standards that was gash
Every club has bad gates now and then
The statistics don't like
In terms of crowds and league placings we are a mid table championship side with crowds similar to Bristol City
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Eric the Half a Bee
Out of interest, do you really think that if we went down to League 1 we'd get sub 10,000 crowds again, or even worse, crowds of less than 5,000?
I don't. Not at all. Things have changed quite a bit since then.
Our crowds have fluctuated over the years - success = more through the turnstiles. At our current stadium we've had 4 seasons where our average crowd has been below 20k. This is our best run of home attendances since relegation from Division 1 in 1962.
As for Sunderland, in the 80s their crowd virtually halved after promotion to Division 1 and then relegation to Division 3. Their crowds doubled after they left Roker Park. Ours increased after we left Ninian Park and we haven't looked back.
The 80s and 90s were shit, but they ain't coming back.
If we were getting crowds of about 17 k when struggling this season I have no doubt whatsoever our crowds would be 12 k or so in the first season in league 1 and if we stayed there then crowds of around 10000 would be the norm
I travelled several times to watch us against Coventry in the new stadium up there and 15000 , with 1000 of us looked bloody awful
We may think we are a bigger club than Coventry but we ain't
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SLUDGE FACTORY
If we were getting crowds of about 17 k when struggling this season I have no doubt whatsoever our crowds would be 12 k or so in the first season in league 1 and if we stayed there then crowds of around 10000 would be the norm
I travelled several times to watch us against Coventry in the new stadium up there and 15000 , with 1000 of us looked bloody awful
We may think we are a bigger club than Coventry but we ain't
If our crowds dropped to 10,000 in League 1 it would mean we have struggled. If we were pushing for promotion from the off, I doubt we'd lose 5,000 as you suggest. As I've said, it's not the 80s any more.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
We have spent many years in the lower leagues because we dont have the fan base or interest in ccfc
How do explain us taking 40k to Wembley on 4 occasions if there is no interest in CCFC?
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Eric the Half a Bee
If our crowds dropped to 10,000 in League 1 it would mean we have struggled. If we were pushing for promotion from the off, I doubt we'd lose 5,000 as you suggest. As I've said, it's not the 80s any more.
Pompey have failed to get back into the championship but have averaged 16000 . No way would we get those gates even by todays standards .
There is no evidence at all that we have the fan base . Potentially yes but that's not reality .
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Alfresco
How do explain us taking 40k to Wembley on 4 occasions if there is no interest in CCFC?
Well any club of a city of our size and catchment can muster numbers for one off games
The problem is , as proved by the stats , is that they are very quick to vanish . Cardiff City has huge potential but its keeping these fans returning that separates us from Leeds , Sunderland , Derby etc
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well any club of a city of our size and catchment can muster numbers for one off games
The problem is , as proved by the stats , is that they are very quick to vanish . Cardiff City has huge potential but its keeping these fans returning that separates us from Leeds , Sunderland , Derby etc
So when you said there was no interest in CCFC it wasn't entirely true?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Well any club of a city of our size and catchment can muster numbers for one off games
The problem is , as proved by the stats , is that they are very quick to vanish . Cardiff City has huge potential but its keeping these fans returning that separates us from Leeds , Sunderland , Derby etc
Surely you appreciate that having regular football at this level is helping our attendances? Sunderland, Derby etc have had this for years and years. I tend not to be all that bothered about attendances from many decades ago. I've proved in the past that clubs who have spent decades and decades in the top 2 divisions tend to hold onto their fans nowadays. We had almost 20 poor years in the bottom 2 tiers.
You mention Portsmouth. They had some really shit attendances in the 70s and 90s.
You do love picking your stats to suit.
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Alfresco
So when you said there was no interest in CCFC it wasn't entirely true?
I didn't say there was no interest
It's just that clubs like us , Bristol City, Swansea, Plymouth, Hull etc are able to take a big fan base to glamour games like Wembley........Wrexham are taking 20000 on Sunday.......but we just dont sustain it
We don't have the hardcore support that clubs bigger than us have
It would be great if we had a sustained period in the top division because that's the only thing that will unleash our potential
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Eric the Half a Bee
Surely you appreciate that having regular football at this level is helping our attendances? Sunderland, Derby etc have had this for years and years. I tend not to be all that bothered about attendances from many decades ago. I've proved in the past that clubs who have spent decades and decades in the top 2 divisions tend to hold onto their fans nowadays. We had almost 20 poor years in the bottom 2 tiers.
You mention Portsmouth. They had some really shit attendances in the 70s and 90s.
You do love picking your stats to suit.
You are in complete denial about Cardiff City and our support
What kind of crowds do you think we had in the 1990s ?
They were far worse than Pompeys
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I didn't say there was no interest
It's just that clubs like us , Bristol City, Swansea, Plymouth, Hull etc are able to take a big fan base to glamour games like Wembley........Wrexham are taking 20000 on Sunday.......but we just dont sustain it
We don't have the hardcore support that clubs bigger than us have
It would be great if we had a sustained period in the top division because that's the only thing that will unleash our potential
'We have spent many years in the lower leagues because we dont have the fan base or interest in ccfc' We have a massive fanbase and given a modicum of success the interest would be massive.
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Alfresco
'We have spent many years in the lower leagues because we dont have the fan base or interest in ccfc' We have a massive fanbase and given a modicum of success the interest would be massive.
Well where is this fanbase when we need them ?
South Wales is full of big time fans , it's the same in the rugby
The difference between us and Sunderland , Newcastle etc is that they have a huge , active fanbase
And we don't
It's all about potential with us
When we were promoted to the championship under Lennie Lawrence after 17 years in the lower leagues we got a crowd for our first home game of 16421
We didn't even sell out ninian Park which at the time held 21000
Loads and loads of fans at the millennium to see Andy Campbell take us up , incredible scenes , 35000 fans
Yet we couldn't sell out our first home game ?
I mean if you want to argue we have a big fan base after that then carry on , I am off to 🛌
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You are in complete denial about Cardiff City and our support
What kind of crowds do you think we had in the 1990s ?
They were far worse than Pompeys
No, I'm not in denial of our crowds in the 80s and 90s. It is still utterly irrelevant when trying to predict what our crowds would be in whatever division we might end up now.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
When we were promoted to the championship under Lennie Lawrence after 17 years in the lower leagues we got a crowd for our first home game of 16421
We didn't even sell out ninian Park which at the time held 21000
Would you really have expected a full house? Good grief.
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DryCleaning
I find that very hard to believe, given Man united have had an
average less 40,360 for 7 seasons since 1949/50
The ground holds74000. How often do you see it so empty you can spot 34000 empty seats? That is almost half the stadium!
I don't think so>
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DryCleaning
But Chelsea were?
Yes, they were. Very much so.
Did you know that Chelsea had an average attendance of 30,850 as far back as 1907/08?
Their rankings in terms of average attendances for some of the early years of the Football League:
1907/08 - 1st
1908/09 - 2nd
1909/10 - 2nd
1910/11 - 3rd
1911/12 - 1st
1912/13 - 1st
1913/14 - 1st
1914/15 - 3rd
1919/20 - 1st
1920/21 - 2nd
1921/22 - 1st
1922/23 - 4th
1923/24 - 1st
1924/25 - 4th
1925/26 - 1st
1926/27 - 5th
1927/28 - 3rd
1928/29 - 6th
1929/30 - 6th
1930/31 - 2nd
In 1925/26, Chelsea topped the national attendance charts despite playing in the Second Division. The only other clubs who have done that are Manchester City (1927/28), Newcastle United (1946/47 and 1947/48), Tottenham Hotspur (1949/50) and Manchester United (1974/75).
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Congratulations to all those who have participated in what is the one millionth thread about how “big” a club we are that has been posted on here in the twenty five years or so I’ve been using this messageboard. My one and only contribution will be to say that my preconceptions about City were shattered by what we averaged in 18/19 in our second season in the Premier League - this made me think some of the claims about the sort of crowds we could expect if we established ourselves in the top flight were not as mad as I had believed they were. So, in that sense, opinions I formed in the seventies and eighties may have been wrong or I was right, but we’ve moved on since those days and are a “bigger” club than we once were.