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Areas like Bridgend , which voted tory to get out of Europe are going to regret falling for the lies of the conservatives .
They were told they would be rewarded , along with other places for losing out on EU money by getting cash from the UK Government Community Renewal Scheme
Bridgend has some of the poorest areas in the UK, along with parts of Caerphilly Borough
Both have been left out of the list of places that are to receive money from the renewal fund
But its not all bad news , of 35 places part of the list , 22 are tory seats , 10 are former Labour seats the tories won in 2019 and 10 are home to tory ministers
It has been argued that places like Bridgend and Caerphilly have been completely hung out to dry and in Bridgends case most certainly as they voted for Boris
Having analysed the data it appears they have been giving a complete beating and left to rot
Post brexit regional aid .........but they were fibbing
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Forget the party politics for a moment, but did you seriously think that all that 'EU money' actually came from the EU ?
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The Chancellors seat , very wealthy ?
Thats getting post European Brexit Aid
Its only fair
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Forget the party politics for a moment, but did you seriously think that all that 'EU money' actually came from the EU ?
never mind that , the British people have spoken now , I didn't vote to leave so my conscience is clear ......but the tories said they would protect the areas formerly helped by European money ......wether thats all European money or part uk taxation , part uk.......doesn't matter
Areas like Bridgend are not going to be given money from the uk community fund , which is to replace money they previously got
Its an utter stitch up and a disgrace
I would say we told you so but its too late now
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
never mind that , the British people have spoken now , I didn't vote to leave so my conscience is clear ......but the tories said they would protect the areas formerly helped by European money ......wether thats all European money or part uk taxation , part uk.......doesn't matter
Areas like Bridgend are not going to be given money from the uk community fund , which is to replace money they previously got
Its an utter stitch up and a disgrace
I would say we told you so but its too late now
If it wasn't for Covid, no doubt you would still be demonstrating outside parliament, waving one of those ridiculous EU flags !!
Reminds me of those Japanese soldiers on remote islands still fighting for the cause years after the war was over. Although to be fair to them, social media was not what it is today.
I think we get the point that the result had nothing to do with you and we're all going to hell in a handcart.
Look on the bright side....... I had the winner of the National today !
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Forget the party politics for a moment, but did you seriously think that all that 'EU money' actually came from the EU ?
It doesn't really matter who paid for it if it isn't going to be replaced.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Areas like Bridgend , which voted tory to get out of Europe are going to regret falling for the lies of the conservatives .
They were told they would be rewarded , along with other places for losing out on EU money by getting cash from the UK Government Community Renewal Scheme
Bridgend has some of the poorest areas in the UK, along with parts of Caerphilly Borough
Both have been left out of the list of places that are to receive money from the renewal fund
But its not all bad news , of 35 places part of the list , 22 are tory seats , 10 are former Labour seats the tories won in 2019 and 10 are home to tory ministers
It has been argued that places like Bridgend and Caerphilly have been completely hung out to dry and in Bridgends case most certainly as they voted for Boris
Having analysed the data it appears they have been giving a complete beating and left to rot
Post brexit regional aid .........but they were fibbing
Funny you mention caerphilly as I recall sky news were there the day after the initial brexit vote back in 2016.
The reporter by the castle grabbed some wandering local, asking how did they vote, I voted to leave of course, what have the EU ever done for us here? “Uh...funded the regeneration of your town centre” oh...I didn’t know that as he wandered off to greggs for a pasty.:hehe:
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Originally Posted by
goats
Funny you mention caerphilly as I recall sky news were there the day after the initial brexit vote back in 2016.
The reporter by the castle grabbed some wandering local, asking how did they vote, I voted to leave of course, what have the EU ever done for us here? “Uh...funded the regeneration of your town centre” oh...I didn’t know that as he wandered off to greggs for a pasty.:hehe:
The EU have funded far more regeneration projects in the valleys than Westminster. One might argue that London seeks to keep Wales in its place.
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
If it wasn't for Covid, no doubt you would still be demonstrating outside parliament, waving one of those ridiculous EU flags !!
Reminds me of those Japanese soldiers on remote islands still fighting for the cause years after the war was over. Although to be fair to them, social media was not what it is today.
I think we get the point that the result had nothing to do with you and we're all going to hell in a handcart.
Look on the bright side....... I had the winner of the National today !
Well you as a tory won't be going to hell in a handcart but the poor bastards in the Bridgend valleys will be
Fool em , use em , spit em out
As for demonstrating no , the country has spoken and now its got to deal with it
But I think the tories promising the poorer areas they would be looked after if they voted leave then saying well actually no , we were lying , is a portent for the people
But as long as tories are happy , well that's all that matters really
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Originally Posted by
goats
Funny you mention caerphilly as I recall sky news were there the day after the initial brexit vote back in 2016.
The reporter by the castle grabbed some wandering local, asking how did they vote, I voted to leave of course, what have the EU ever done for us here? “Uh...funded the regeneration of your town centre” oh...I didn’t know that as he wandered off to greggs for a pasty.:hehe:
dear oh dear
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
dear oh dear
It was comical no one they spoke to had a clue
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Forget the party politics for a moment, but did you seriously think that all that 'EU money' actually came from the EU ?
Let's just say for the sake of argument that "EU money" didn't come from the EU. A shit load of it went to Wales. Now it's all dried up. Do you remember what South Wales was like in the 70s and 80s?
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Handy reminder before the elections to vote for anyone other than tory scum please. They can't even pretend to give a toss about Wales.
Golden boy 'texts from Dave' Rishi gets his constituents some funding but Mornington Meadows isn't deprived enough apparently.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Areas like Bridgend , which voted tory to get out of Europe are going to regret falling for the lies of the conservatives .
They were told they would be rewarded , along with other places for losing out on EU money by getting cash from the UK Government Community Renewal Scheme
Bridgend has some of the poorest areas in the UK, along with parts of Caerphilly Borough
Both have been left out of the list of places that are to receive money from the renewal fund
But its not all bad news , of 35 places part of the list , 22 are tory seats , 10 are former Labour seats the tories won in 2019 and 10 are home to tory ministers
It has been argued that places like Bridgend and Caerphilly have been completely hung out to dry and in Bridgends case most certainly as they voted for Boris
Having analysed the data it appears they have been giving a complete beating and left to rot
Post brexit regional aid .........but they were fibbing
Bloody hell sludge your boring
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But the pro Brexit team wasn't the Tories, it was a cross party group who wanted us out, just like the Remainers were a cross party group that wanted us to remain.
But we mustn't let little things like facts get in the way of sludge's arguments.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
But the pro Brexit team wasn't the Tories, it was a cross party group who wanted us out, just like the Remainers were a cross party group that wanted us to remain.
But we mustn't let little things like facts get in the way of sludge's arguments.
That’ll upset a few on here.:biggrin:
Kate Hoey should be a Tory though, she ticks most of the boxes of homophobia, xenophobia and twattishness.
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stan butler
Bloody hell sludge your boring
There are none so stupid as those that cannot see
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Jordi Culé
That’ll upset a few on here.:biggrin:
Kate Hoey should be a Tory though, she ticks most of the boxes of homophobia, xenophobia and twattishness.
Wasn't the former labour leader on the Brexit side of the argument? :shrug:
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
But the pro Brexit team wasn't the Tories, it was a cross party group who wanted us out, just like the Remainers were a cross party group that wanted us to remain.
But we mustn't let little things like facts get in the way of sludge's arguments.
The facts were that 80 percent of the brexit crew were tories
I would say thats self evident to anyone with half a brain that the tory party were the prime movers behind all this
Surely you are not stupid enough to argue otherwise ?
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xsnaggle
Wasn't the former labour leader on the Brexit side of the argument? :shrug:
No
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
That’ll upset a few on here.:biggrin:
Kate Hoey should be a Tory though, she ticks most of the boxes of homophobia, xenophobia and twattishness.
it would if he were speaking facts , but he isn't
Hoey , Benn , Skinner and a few clowns aside the leave Europe campaign was spearheaded , and funded, by the tory right
And thats a fact
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Originally Posted by
caerkid
Handy reminder before the elections to vote for anyone other than tory scum please. They can't even pretend to give a toss about Wales.
Golden boy 'texts from Dave' Rishi gets his constituents some funding but Mornington Meadows isn't deprived enough apparently.
The joy of government is that the people are stupid
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SLUDGE FACTORY
No
I think Corbyn was originally anti-Europe, but chopped and changed a little. I think if he'd have come out and respected the Leave vote, we'd have had Brexit with a Labour government.
https://www.channel4.com/news/factch...-brexit-stance
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the tories promised to replace every penny of eu funding lost to brexit in Wales.......in their manifesto .......and areas which clearly gained from European funding have been excluded
A spokeswoman for the UK government's ministry of housing , communities and local government , responsible for the community renewal fund , refused to comment
Kin hell , bunch of chancers and spivs
Bridgend , Caerphilly ........widespread poverty and social deprivation .....sorry
Richmondshire , Chancellor Sunaks seat..........wealthy ........here is some cash 💸
The Conservative Party , vote for us and as long as you are rich , we will look after you
Everyone else can naff off
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Sludge, some of the left like Benn always were anti EU. Their arguments about the perceived lack of democracy within the EU was central to their politics.
Some are having revisionist history here.
As it goes, I was full on Remain. The Tory governments trickle down policies will never invest in Wales, even though they’re now saving £350 million a week.
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elytillidie
The man was all over the shop , he agreed with a social europe but was against what he and other left wing Labour MPs saw as a capitalist super state . I didn't agree with him . But the point of this thread is that it was the tories in their manifesto who said every penny of e u funding lost would be replaced ......so vote for us
Bridgend did .......and they are now told well actually you can't have any
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Sludge, some of the left like Benn always were anti EU. Their arguments about the perceived lack of democracy within the EU was central to their politics.
Some are having revisionist history here.
As it goes, I was full on Remain. The Tory governments trickle down policies will never invest in Wales, even though they’re now saving £350 million a week.
I am fully aware of idiots like Benn . Good entertainment but thats it .
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
I am fully aware of idiots like Benn . Good entertainment but thats it .
Your view of Benn is “Good entertainment but that’s it”?
*raises eyebrow*
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
No
I think you'll fond he was.
The surely you're not stupid enough to argue otherwise is a sly old trick sludge. If the person doesn't argue it means you win the point and if they do you can say they are stupid. But it isn't really a fact is it?
The prime mover for remain was a tory and a lot of pro leave were labour, as you can see by the areas that voted for out.
Or are you suggesting that labour voters voted for Brexit because labour voters are stupid and couldn't see the real facts as someone of your intellect can?
If you are suggesting that then maybe the vote for the tories in the following election was them stupidly thinking that it would corret their stupidity. Maybe!!!!
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
That’ll upset a few on here.:biggrin:
Kate Hoey should be a Tory though, she ticks most of the boxes of homophobia, xenophobia and twattishness.
Kate Hoey presented me a prize for being the best cartography student at a college in London so she's not all bad.....
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
Your view of Benn is “Good entertainment but that’s it”?
*raises eyebrow*
Tony Benn made a political career out of being on question Time
Wrote a few good books , I have some but it was all ideas
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
I think you'll fond he was.
The surely you're not stupid enough to argue otherwise is a sly old trick sludge. If the person doesn't argue it means you win the point and if they do you can say they are stupid. But it isn't really a fact is it?
The prime mover for remain was a tory and a lot of pro leave were labour, as you can see by the areas that voted for out.
Or are you suggesting that labour voters voted for Brexit because labour voters are stupid and couldn't see the real facts as someone of your intellect can?
If you are suggesting that then maybe the vote for the tories in the following election was them stupidly thinking that it would corret their stupidity. Maybe!!!!
So you think that the prime mover to remain was a tory ?
Cameron ?
Cameron was all about Cameron
Ken Clarke was a moderate , left leaning tory who spoke a lot of sense , most of the tory party were anti Europe and had been since Thatcher turned up
The voters were conned
It will all come out in the wash and this latest trick , which you have completely failed to comment on , is just the start 👌
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
So you think that the prime mover to remain was a tory ?
Cameron ?
Cameron was all about Cameron
Ken Clarke was a moderate , left leaning tory who spoke a lot of sense , most of the tory party were anti Europe and had been since Thatcher turned up
The voters were conned
It will all come out in the wash and this latest trick , which you have completely failed to comment on , is just the start
You are clearly far far better informed than everyone else, who was the "prime mover" as you call it?
As I said you obviously feel you are far more astute than the average labour voter who were apparently stupid enough to vote for Brexit. So what do you suggest, that anyone who disagrees with your opinion should be ineligible to vote?
The Brexit argument is like Soviet communism, its gone, done with, finished. Live with both things.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
You are clearly far far better informed than everyone else, who was the "prime mover" as you call it?
As I said you obviously feel you are far more astute than the average labour voter who were apparently stupid enough to vote for Brexit. So what do you suggest, that anyone who disagrees with your opinion should be ineligible to vote?
The Brexit argument is like Soviet communism, its gone, done with, finished. Live with both things.
No one can know for sure, but most number crunchers think that about 30% of people who voted Labour in 2017 also voted Leave in the Brexit Referendum.
So the average Labour voter was smart enough to vote Remain!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48039984
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
You are clearly far far better informed than everyone else, who was the "prime mover" as you call it?
As I said you obviously feel you are far more astute than the average labour voter who were apparently stupid enough to vote for Brexit. So what do you suggest, that anyone who disagrees with your opinion should be ineligible to vote?
The Brexit argument is like Soviet communism, its gone, done with, finished. Live with both things.
Well the post above seems to suggest that 70 percent of labour voters were remain , so it appears I was correct
But this thread isn't about who is clever
Its about the tory manifesto promise that areas that lost EU money would have every penny of that money replaced by the conservatives community fund
And its a complete lie
And you , as a tory , support that
You can either answer the question or ........
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Well the post above seems to suggest that 70 percent of labour voters were remain , so it appears I was correct
But this thread isn't about who is clever
Its about the tory manifesto promise that areas that lost EU money would have every penny of that money replaced by the conservatives community fund
And its a complete lie
And you , as a tory , support that
You can either answer the question or ........
There you go stating opinion as fact again because it suits your agenda. You actually just spout bullshit.
So 70% of labour supporters voted remain and the other 30% were too stupid to vote, is that what you mean?
And you sneakily change your stance from the Brexit vote to the Tory manifesto. you can't just keep moving the goal posts just to suit your argument when you're losing sludge.
You know that the labour party as it stands is a spent force and until there is a better alternative to the Conservative party we'll just have to live with it.
All your shouting and raving about things that are gone done and dusted are just fecking boring. :tumbleweed:
So wind your neck i9n and stop bleating like a trapped goat.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I am fully aware of idiots like Benn . Good entertainment but thats it .
You're a Blairite, Sludge, Which makes you a Tory in my book.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
There you go stating opinion as fact again because it suits your agenda. You actually just spout bullshit.
So 70% of labour supporters voted remain and the other 30% were too stupid to vote, is that what you mean?
And you sneakily change your stance from the Brexit vote to the Tory manifesto. you can't just keep moving the goal posts just to suit your argument when you're losing sludge.
You know that the labour party as it stands is a spent force and until there is a better alternative to the Conservative party we'll just have to live with it.
All your shouting and raving about things that are gone done and dusted are just fecking boring. :tumbleweed:
So wind your neck i9n and stop bleating like a trapped goat.
Answer the question posed in the thread regarding the tory scum pulling out of funding they promised to brexit voting deprived areas
Even you can try
I know the Labour Party is fecked , I want an alternative
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Tuerto
You're a Blairite, Sludge, Which makes you a Tory in my book.
of course I am , I gave you the list of direct action I took and have taken against racism and the policies of the right . I hated Blair
Didn't see you confronting the racist English defence league ?
Where were you ?
Busy ?
Marched against the invasion of Iraq in London, and cardiff
Were you there ?
Or too busy reading books on socialist philosophy 🤔
All mouth
See you the next time the far right march in Cardiff
On the front line
Don't wear your sandals
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
of course I am , I gave you the list of direct action I took and have taken against racism and the policies of the right . I hated Blair
Didn't see you confronting the racist English defence league ?
Where were you ?
Busy ?
Marched against the invasion of Iraq in London, and cardiff
Were you there ?
Or too busy reading books on socialist philosophy
All mouth
See you the next time the far right march in Cardiff
On the front line
Don't wear your sandals
Sludge, when it comes to fighting racism and Fascism, you've picked the wrong fight my friend. Incidentally, even Tories can hate racism and Fascists.