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Is there any point in VAR?
Just seen Salah’s attempt at breaking the Porto defender leg yet they didn’t even look at it :shrug:
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jamieccfc
Just seen Salah’s attempt at breaking the Porto defender leg yet they didn’t even look at it :shrug:
Not even a yellow card given. Shocking decision. Possible pelanty too... Clearer than the one Man Utd got against PSG imo.
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jamieccfc
Just seen Salah’s attempt at breaking the Porto defender leg yet they didn’t even look at it :shrug:
VAR was brought in partly as a result of the TV companies pushing for it every time there was a disputed decision. It brings 'drama' to the game. "Isn't it great how fans are kept informed as the decision is made " said the Sky/BT bloke as we all looked at the giant screen.
I confidently predict next will be 4 'quarters' so more advert time and analysis..
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I like it, there were definitely more goals at the world cup than in recent tournaments
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We are starting to see how the system is being "abused" and how long is it before we see, if we havent already, it being used to suit an agenda :shrug:
I thought I knew the rules of the game until I saw the Son incident again.
In addition to the Salah incident, there was a tackle by Frnandinho on Harry Kane which showed the aforementioned have 3 or 4 goes at him, all bookable offences, after the initial foul with nothing given.
Yes I know that VAR is only being used for certain parts of the game like offside or possible penalties but how long before the game is stopped because of this type of foul play? It goes on and it has always gone on.
The game is already grating on me every time they go upstairs for decisions which people still can't agree on and with VAR going forward, I still see the bigger players and bigger teams getting the decisions.
So in answer to the OP poser, it's a"no" from me.
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I don't think it will be used for more decisions any time soon, as they don't want to slow the game.
If it can be then maybe they'll give each team 2 reviews that they can use per game to challenge any decision they want or something to stop it from becoming a farce
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Rjk
I don't think it will be used for more decisions any time soon, as they don't want to slow the game.
If it can be then maybe they'll give each team 2 reviews that they can use per game to challenge any decision they want or something to stop it from becoming a farce
Bit late for that.
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I like VAR as a concept but one expects decisions to be sound when utilising it.
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Taunton Blue Genie
I like VAR as a concept but one expects decisions to be sound when utilising it.
I can't think of many occasions where it hasn't improved decision making
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It’s making football like a bloody computer game :frown:
Refs have been making good and bad decisions for over 100 years !!!
Leave the game alone, VAR will take the emotion out of games and proper football fans will stop going as it will be boring
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BLUETIT
It’s making football like a bloody computer game :frown:
Refs have been making good and bad decisions for over 100 years !!!
Leave the game alone, VAR will take the emotion out of games and proper football fans will stop going as it will be boring
Proper football fans = ones who have the same viewpoint as me?
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Rjk
I can't think of many occasions where it hasn't improved decision making
Harry Kane’s pelanty the other week, when he was clearly offside before he fell over a blade of grass :hehe:
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Rjk
Proper football fans = ones who have the same viewpoint as me?
No, proper ones :hehe:
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BLUETIT
Harry Kane’s pelanty the other week, when he was clearly offside before he fell over a blade of grass :hehe:
So 1 out if how many?
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Rjk
So 1 out if how many?
Refs have been reffing for yonks, VAR has only just started and different refs have different opinions already
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BLUETIT
Refs have been reffing for yonks, VAR has only just started and different refs have different opinions already
Isn't it usually another ref making the var decision?
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Rjk
Isn't it usually another ref making the var decision?
What’s that got to do with the price of fish ??????
I thought that is what this debate was about, different interpretations of the laws of football :shrug:
Or have I drifted into another dimension :hehe:
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Rjk
Isn't it usually another ref making the var decision?
No it’s another ref telling the actual ref to review something he or the linesman may have missed.
Final decision is always with the game referee.
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I like the idea of var for when it's a simple decision, offside or not.
What I don't like is the idea of celebrating a goal half heartedly because you know they are checking things.
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Trigger
I like the idea of var for when it's a simple decision, offside or not.
What I don't like is the idea of celebrating a goal half heartedly because you know they are checking things.
It’ll be worse, if they then go up the other end and award a pelanty. FARCE
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BLUETIT
It’ll be worse, if they then go up the other end and award a pelanty. FARCE
Imagine the opposite though. 0-0 against Swansea in the playoff final when they suddenly break away and score in the 95th minute. Pandemonium...but wait, VAR has spotted a handball in the Swansea box at the start of the move, Swansea goal ruled out, penalty to Cardiff
Scenes.
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Rjk
Imagine the opposite though. 0-0 against Swansea in the playoff final when they suddenly break away and score in the 95th minute. Pandemonium...but wait, VAR has spotted a handball in the Swansea box at the start of the move, Swansea goal ruled out, penalty to Cardiff
Scenes.
It would be carnage
There would be a lot of "scenes no one likes to see" and Sky would cut away from the game
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Rjk
Imagine the opposite though. 0-0 against Swansea in the playoff final when they suddenly break away and score in the 95th minute. Pandemonium...but wait, VAR has spotted a handball in the Swansea box at the start of the move, Swansea goal ruled out, penalty to Cardiff
Scenes.
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City123
It would be carnage
There would be a lot of "scenes no one likes to see" and Sky would cut away from the game
You lot spend to much time on computer games :hehe:
Get back in the real world :hehe:
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Jeeper's whats happening to football fans , the beauty of the game was born in instinct , controversy, missed moments , error , missed , good or poor referring , what the duck are we going to rant and talk about if we become some controlled robotic sport run on software checks, the only positive I can think off it may get rid of pundits , but who would we hate then .
We will all be down the pub soon staring at replies on screens rather than taking/debating / ranting to each other .
FFS
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BLUETIT
You lot spend to much time on computer games :hehe:
Get back in the real world :hehe:
It would be funny though
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BLUETIT
You lot spend to much time on computer games :hehe:
Get back in the real world :hehe:
It is basically the same scenario as you suggested
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Rjk
It is basically the same scenario as you suggested
If you’re relating to the scenario of “a goal being scored, then disallowed and a pelanty given at the other end”, it has happened already
Someone find it please as I can’t be arsed, as Tenable is on :hehe:
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They seem to be making a hash of it.
Why don't they watch a few 6 Nations games for some lessons.It seems to work for the egg.
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bobh
They seem to be making a hash of it.
Why don't they watch a few 6 Nations games for some lessons.It seems to work for the egg.
You mean like that "try" Wales were denied in last seasons 6 nations :facepalm:
https://youtu.be/avLxN69FTc0
See my post above ^^ I kind of rest my case!
Edit: feckin link won't work again :facepalm:
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bobh
They seem to be making a hash of it.
Why don't they watch a few 6 Nations games for some lessons.It seems to work for the egg.
Because they stop the clock, so it reduces the pressure on making a quick decision
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Refs are getting replaced slowly but surely. I can see a future where the pitch is completely mapped by sensors, players linked up monitoring their physical and mental stats. Decisions on everything instant.
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There's a reasonable chance that we will go down this season whereas with VAR we might have not.
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BLUETIT
Because they stop the clock, so it reduces the pressure on making a quick decision
Sorry cant have the egg thingy, we,d never get home before midnight ,anyway those egg fans are only watching the screens anyway
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life on mars
Sorry cant have the egg thingy, we,d never get home before midnight ,anyway those egg fans are only watching the screens anyway
We would need to get our daffodil hats ready to wave at the cameras!
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When it was being introduced during the latest World Cup the BBC said anything to try to make it popular, but it used to be the three letter answer to whenever an official got a decision wrong and that simply isn't accurate.
VAR - pundits disagree with officials leaving us all confused
VAR - officials process information and still get decisions wrong, sometimes because it's being shown at 10 different angles and in super-slow mode.
VAR - we discover the actual rules of the game and disagree with the rules.
VAR - not everyone is allowed to use it.
It slows the game down, it doesn't end controversy. It might make the game better in the long-run but it's not what was promised during that World Cup in Russia or the lazy talk-show hosts/premier league managers who wanted to complain about bad decisions before that.
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Fancydan
We would need to get our daffodil hats ready to wave at the cameras!
Was you not at the Wales v Slovakia game?
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MacAdder
You mean like that "try" Wales were denied in last seasons 6 nations :facepalm:
https://youtu.be/avLxN69FTc0
See my post above ^^ I kind of rest my case!
In that instance the TMO said no try while the pundits said try, then two days later Clive Woodward rewound further back and claimed Wales had knocked on in the build up. What point do you wind back to? In Leicester home game this season their goal started with officials missing foul nearer their corner flag than our net but do we scroll back that far if goal had been disputed?
If we are going to look at borrowing from wider sports then why not a touchline official on each side? Has that ever been trialed?
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Most of the arguments against var recently have been ex-footballers who don't understand the rules.