Just a bit of speculation methinks :-
http://the4thofficial.net/2017/12/li...-destinations/
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Just a bit of speculation methinks :-
http://the4thofficial.net/2017/12/li...-destinations/
I'm looking forward to the January ings and outs
Brilliant striker when fit but that’s not often enough
I think when he's fit he's above our level
Wages would likely be steep and as said maybe above our level for the time being. Been unlucky with injuries that lad. Non starter I think.
This is a rubbish article. It even states that Alan Pardew is French.
I think Bogle has got plenty of goals in him. Looks decent.
Zohore on his way back.
Bogle and Ward with the other long term injured striker (can't think of his name at the moment) and our Belgian friend who hasn't really featured.
Infant see us signing a striker in January
Given how many injuries he's had, I'm not sure his wages would be too high, but I don't place too much store by this story - it's as if the writer thought "I need to have a Championship side that's doing well in my list of possible destinations for him and so I'll choose Cardiff this time".
True. I suppose he might get paid up by Liverpool as well. I wouldn't want anybody coming to get in the way of Bogle just for the sake of it or if it's a gamble signing like Ings would be. I've got high hopes for that lad. As Dai said Healy shows potential as well do any signing would have to better than them and ready to go. Journo talk as you say
Danny Ings is a cut above our current strikers
He's a lot better than what we got but would he fit in the system we play
How would you describe the system we play?
what's he like now. I haven't seen him play for ages. He's obviously still going to know where the goal is but pretty serious injuries he's had.
He is only better than what we have if he is fit.We have some good strikers at the moment and I would be very careful not to upset the mood within the team.Having said that one injury a sending off or loss of form and we may well be struggling for a striker. I have faith in Warnock to do the right thing this is how he earns his money,should be interesting.
I would like to see a strong creative midfielder come in to boss the middle but I think we would all agree with that.
A fantastic player when he gets a run of games.
Can we afford him the time to get fit and back to his best with our more physical type of game.
*BLANK STARE*
One good season for Bournemouth - 21 league goals in 40 games at this level. Are we really thinking Bogle for example can't match that? Season before that at same level... 3 goals in 32 games.
He had one storming season - and I'll grant you the 11 he scored for Burnley in the Prem was decent.
He's not exactly a goal machine like Chopra was.
He's done his ACL in one knee then did his other knee in.
Based upon all that on what grounds is he a cut about Zohore, Ward, Healey and Bogle?
EDIT:
Before I get the inevitable response, he's capable of being a good striker at this level. There's far more potential in for example Bogle than in Ings. Zohore imo has a far higher ceiling in terms of talent.
He’s just come on for Liverpool. Bit out of our reach I’d say. Plus I don’t think we need another striker.
Jesus, there's some click-bait on that site.
Keep him
You make some reasonable points but the Bogle/Ings potential comparison is stretching it. The recovering Ings just had 10-15 mins in a vital Merseyside derby (don't know if Ben Woodburn was fit to take his place on the bench). Might be a while before a fully fit Bogle achieves that level.
That team had the plain average Dominic Solanke starting, for reference. I'd also take our central defenders over those of Liverpool at this point in time.
I suspect Bogle will play more than 15 minutes next season when we promote by overtaking Wolvesalona last game of the season with a 96th minute penalty to win the title.
Bogle has scored goals at all levels with more regularity than Ings - granted not at Wigan then again Wigan is an utter cluster****. Time will tell but Bogle has had a good start here.
Why is there more potential in Bogle than Ings? Bogle is 24, Ings is 25, Ings has an England cap and scored 11 goals for struggling Burnley in the Premier League and performed well enough for Liverpool to sign him. Comparing the two is stretching it a bit
And compared to Healey? You're having a laugh, right?
Liverpool signing a player doesn't make that player a great one. England cap? Have you seen some of the players with England caps?
Comparing Bogle to Ings is hardy a stretch; Bogle has a record, Wigan aside of scoring at whatever level he's played. Scoring wise, Ings had one good season in the Championship following on from two distinctly average ones. As I said, that season in the Prem with Burnley was decent enough. Bogle for me offers more as he's two footed, good enough in the air.
The claim made was that Ings ( having had two serious knee injuries ) is a cut above our strikers. I'd say looking at those four strikers of ours, no. Healey offers far more pace than Ings, at this point in time should he recover well enough has more upside to him than Ings has. Ings has hit his peak.
You can't disregard Bogle's time with Wigan just because he was poor and it doesn't fit your argument, Ings scored more Football League goals in one season than Bogle has in 3, Ings also got 11 for a hugely defensive side in the Premier League. I like Bogle but to say he's on a par with or is a better option even than Ings makes no sense to me
Are you genuinely saying that Rhys Healey is a better option than Danny Ings? Healey's never scored more than 6 goals in one season in professional football and that was with Newport
Yes, one England cap doesn't make a player world class, but you still have to be of a certain standard to get one, do you think Bogle or Healey will ever be in contention for one?
What was Ings record the season before his breakout Championship season? 3 in 32 games. If you look at his big seasons he's had 2 - the promotion season and I'd agree he did well in the Prem with Burnley at the time. If you look at all league games, Ings record is just over 3 games per goal. Granted, he's had two serious injuries but those two good years appear to have been the exception.
Bogle it's 2 games per goal. Scored at whatever level. The Wigan stint, things didn't go well. Wigan were poor; the point being that poor single season was very much the exception to Bogle's career whereas good easons are the exception to Ings career. Factor in differences between the players - Bogle able to use either foot, better in air, the bad injuries Ings has had along with the type of player Warnock wants then I'd hardly call Ings a cut above Bogle - especially if you also add in transfer fee and wages.
Zohore? Better than Ings by a mile. Zohore has all the physical qualities to be the prototype striker in vogue these days - height, pace, power.
Healey is a better option when you consider his role in the squad - which would be fourth choice behind Zohore, Bogle and Ward. Again, it's about the upside to the player. IMO, Ings has peaked, possibly peaked when he was at Burnley. The injuries will have taken something from his game.
Will Healey surpass Ings? Maybe, maybe not. Football doesn't work out that way. if he can achieve his maximum potential, he's got a higher ceiling than Ings imo.
England cap? Michael Ricketts has an England cap. Jay Bothroyd has an England cap. Keith Curle. John Fashanu. Carlton Palmer. If you're claiming you have to be of a certain standard, the bar is set very low tbh.
To turn the question around, would people pick Ings over Zohore? Ward? Bogle? Right now I can't see any justification for making that move.
Danny Ings is an anagram of Sing, Danny.
The point for me is that Ings before that breakout season looked nothing really special. So you're looking at a total of two seasons to say he's a good striker.
Bogle has scored wherever he's been - aside from Wigan. If you look at comparable levels, ie conference, Bogle had a better strike rate. Ings didn't feature for Bournemouth in League Two, Bogle skipped League one so can't compare there. Bogle's played too few games at this level to effectively compare but has got off to a good start.
My point is and always been around the potential; I still believe Bogle has the better intangibles along with better finishing skills. He's two footed, good in air, is a quality finisher and is saying everything right in the media - that he hurt his own career, needed to get his head straight. He's with the right manager to get him on track.