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PM rails against 'extremist forces trying to tear us apart'
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Our democracy is a target, that's why I have called this emergency broadcast to tell the people of Rochdale to have another go next Thursday and see if you can do it right this time.
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Does he mention Lee Anderson?
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Wales-Bales
Evil prospers when good men do nothing; so we will now see if the actions that follow are as good as his word.
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Jordi Culé
Does he mention Lee Anderson?
Or loopy Liz Truss
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Wales-Bales
I think there is a bit more to this than meets the eye. There are certain gov depts that I work with that have upped their security. Sunak making this announcement was definitely not normal and has never happened before that I can recall, all I can say is that it was very interesting why he did and said what he did today, Hope I'm wrong in what I think may be a possibility.
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truthpaste
Evil prospers when good men do nothing; so we will now see if the actions that follow are as good as his word.
And Sunak is a good man? Twitter has plenty of contributors remarking on the irony of our unelected PM banging on about protecting democracy - classic gaslighting.
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the other bob wilson
And Sunak is a good man? Twitter has plenty of contributors remarking on the irony of our unelected PM banging on about protecting democracy - classic gaslighting.
He's not unelected. He is the new leader in the party that won the last general election. Same as Gordon Brown. Same across western Europe.
Perhaps he was referring to you when he made the point about people making false equivalences between the UK and other countries.
In this case claiming we have some kind of leader with no democratic mandate which you know yourself is absolute BS Bob
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Wales-Bales
John Crace. A truly vile individual. His various social media platforms are awash with foul-mouthed rants at anything and everything that doesn't fit with his Islington, Ex Etonian politics.
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JamesWales
He's not unelected. He is the new leader in the party that won the last general election. Same as Gordon Brown. Same across western Europe.
Perhaps he was referring to you when he made the point about people making false equivalences between the UK and other countries.
In this case claiming we have some kind of leader with no democratic mandate which you know yourself is absolute BS Bob
He is Prime Minister because 202 MPs from his own party voted for him to be. That's not democracy in action and you whatabouting regarding Gordon Brown doesn't change that. -
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pipster
I think there is a bit more to this than meets the eye. There are certain gov depts that I work with that have upped their security. Sunak making this announcement was definitely not normal and has never happened before that I can recall, all I can say is that it was very interesting why he did and said what he did today, Hope I'm wrong in what I think may be a possibility.
One for the DHOYA’s.
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A Quiet Monkfish
John Crace. A truly vile individual. His various social media platforms are awash with foul-mouthed rants at anything and everything that doesn't fit with his Islington, Ex Etonian politics.
I have never seen his social media posts but when it comes to sketch writing he usually gets it right. In this case it's a bulls eye!
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pipster
I think there is a bit more to this than meets the eye. There are certain gov depts that I work with that have upped their security. Sunak making this announcement was definitely not normal and has never happened before that I can recall, all I can say is that it was very interesting why he did and said what he did today, Hope I'm wrong in what I think may be a possibility.
Of course there is more to it than meets the eye.
Have you seen the opinion polls?
Have you seen the performance of the Tories (and Labour) at Rochdale.
It is 'painting by numbers' deflection. He can't declare war on Argentina so he has gone for the other staple 'the enemy within'.
Join up the dots, Gluey!
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“I once led a political party full of racists, dog whistlers and morons that I couldn’t control, so I held a press conference and blamed the problems on everyone else, but mainly a man most famous for pretending to be a cat.”
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This is unquestionably the most undemocratic and sinister speech I've ever heard from a UK Prime Minister. Has he utterly no respect for the ballot box?
His unnerving performance yesterday would have been complete had he worn jackboots and full military regalia.
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the other bob wilson
He is Prime Minister because 202 MPs from his own party voted for him to be. That's not democracy in action and you whatabouting regarding Gordon Brown doesn't change that. -
It absolutely is. That's what happens. The party that won a general election will always choose a leader that way.
I'd accept opposition to it from a moral high ground more if the same people who refused to accept the biggest electoral vote in history and spent 7 years crying about it and the people who object to parties appointing new PMs wasn't a Venn diagram that is essentially one big circle.
I also haven't heard you mention this point in respect of Miles v Gething which is going on now and in the country we live in.
Obviously questioning our democracy to make a party political point is less appealing to you in this instance?!
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Dorcus
This is unquestionably the most undemocratic and sinister speech I've ever heard from a UK Prime Minister. Has he utterly no respect for the ballot box?
His unnerving performance yesterday would have been complete had he worn jackboots and full military regalia.
Although I do think that Tories and Labour should have been more graceful in defeat whilst making their valid criticism of intimidation etc, it does often feel that you reset history at midnight every night!
Barely a day passes without something being the greatest outrage of your life! 🤣
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jon1959
I have never seen his social media posts but when it comes to sketch writing he usually gets it right. In this case it's a bulls eye!
He has - it's what I thought when I watched Sunak's heart rendering polemic last night, just a meandering moan probably the sort of thing you'd deliver to your wife/close friends, not the nation. But a hint of his style can be gleaned even in this article - he then rips into everything he doesn't like - even talking about the PM introducing a '15 minute of hate'. Not forgetting Brexit, the Daily Mail, the Telegraph, Boris Johnston, et al. He also comes across as an absolutely smug Eton tosser !!!
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Sir Keir Starma has just agreed the PM was right in making that address last night.
Of course if you’re a bog eyed swamp drainer type then it was just a desperate cry for help
Some people say that Galloway is a great orator just like Hitler was.
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pipster
Sir Keir Starma has just agreed the PM was right in making that address last night.
In the words of that great pschologist, George Galloway: 'Two cheeks of the same arse'. :thumbup:
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pipster
Sir Keir Starma has just agreed the PM was right in making that address last night.
Of course if you’re a bog eyed swamp drainer type then it was just a desperate cry for help
Some people say that Galloway is a great orator just like Hitler was.
Sadly, I’m not surprised at all by Starmer’s comments.
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JamesWales
It absolutely is. That's what happens. The party that won a general election will always choose a leader that way.
I'd accept opposition to it from a moral high ground more if the same people who refused to accept the biggest electoral vote in history and spent 7 years crying about it and the people who object to parties appointing new PMs wasn't a Venn diagram that is essentially one big circle.
I also haven't heard you mention this point in respect of Miles v Gething which is going on now and in the country we live in.
Obviously questioning our democracy to make a party political point is less appealing to you in this instance?!
To be fair to Johnson, he’s the one Prime Minister out of the last four to have actually won a majority in an election. That’s why we’re not talking about a Blair to Brown, Drakeford to Gethin or even Thatcher to Major type handover here, the Conservatives have taken this country for a joke for years with their convulsions over Europe and have got themselves into a position where they change leaders, and Prime Ministers, at the drop of a hat - incredibly, there serious calls being made by some in the party for a fourth change of Prime Minister in this Parliament, it’s gone beyond the sort of one off handovers we e seen in the past.
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the other bob wilson
To be fair to Johnson, he’s the one Prime Minister out of the last four to have actually won a majority in an election. That’s why we’re not talking about a Blair to Brown, Drakeford to Gethin or even Thatcher to Major type handover here, the Conservatives have taken this country for a joke for years with their convulsions over Europe and have got themselves into a position where they change leaders, and Prime Ministers, at the drop of a hat - incredibly, there serious calls being made by some in the party for a fourth change of Prime Minister in this Parliament, it’s gone beyond the sort of one off handovers we e seen in the past.
Johnson got his large mandate from a pledge to "get Brexit done", and then proceeded to deliver Brexit light. Sunak is the current PM because of this mandate.
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JamesWales
Although I do think that Tories and Labour should have been more graceful in defeat whilst making their valid criticism of intimidation etc, it does often feel that you reset history at midnight every night!
Barely a day passes without something being the greatest outrage of your life! 🤣
Maybe it's the first time I've ever agreed with you. Yes everyone is feeling outraged at the state of British politics and it seems it all started 14 years ago.
Mind you, in your case you were born outraged 😂
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jon1959
In the words of that great pschologist, George Galloway: 'Two cheeks of the same arse'. :thumbup:
George Galloway IS a great orator and he would wipe the floor with both of the tossers leading the two main parties. "Two cheeks of the same arse" is a clever and accurate summing up of the dire state of our politics now.
By the way John Crave is up there with the best. I get the impression some on this board are Richard Littlejohn accolytes.
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jon1959
In the words of that great pschologist, George Galloway: 'Two cheeks of the same arse'. :thumbup:
Galloway has used that quote many times it’s part of his political stand up routine
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A tenth child in a Gaza hospital has been registered as having died from starvation, said the UN on Friday, warning that the “real figure is likely to be higher”. “The official records yesterday or this morning said there was a tenth child officially registered in a hospital as having starved to death,” said UN health agency spokesperson Christian Lindmeier. “A very sad threshold …[but] the unofficial numbers can unfortunately be expected to be higher,” he added.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/li...s-updates-live
Are the extremists the hundreds of thousands who march to end this - or are they the perpetrators and the enablers (yes you Sunak and Starmer)?
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jeepster
Or loopy Liz Truss
Honourable mention to Suella Braverman for raising the hordes of Yaxley Lennon fanboys last November.
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jon1959
She certainly has, meanwhile Starmer talks as if he would have been willing to stand in support alongside Sunak when he was delivering the speech if he’d been asked.
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the other bob wilson
She certainly has, meanwhile Starmer talks as if he would have been willing to stand in support alongside Sunak when he was delivering the speech if he’d been asked.
He's a man without principles nakedly on the hunt for votes. The Tories on here can breathe a sigh of relief should his party attain power
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Dorcus
Maybe it's the first time I've ever agreed with you. Yes everyone is feeling outraged at the state of British politics and it seems it all started 14 years ago.
Mind you, in your case you were born outraged 😂
Do you really think it only started 14 years ago?
I have had an interest in politics since 1964 and to my mind it has been going downhill ever since.
The internet has only exacerbated the situation
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Elwood Blues
Do you really think it only started 14 years ago?
I have had an interest in politics since 1964 and to my mind it has been going downhill ever since.
The internet has only exacerbated the situation
Team Red, Blue, Yellow, and Green vetting all candidates at central office level has played a big part in the HOC being filled with nodding donkeys.
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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ernment-israel
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The PSC has organised and mobilised demonstrations to pressure politicians to call for an immediate ceasefire. We have also sought to help people understand how this violence is rooted in Israel’s decades-long military occupation, and its imposition of a system of oppression now accepted by leading human rights organisations including Amnesty International as meeting the legal definition of apartheid. Since 1982, PSC has been campaigning to end this oppression and support a just peace based on respect for the rights of everyone in the territory between the river and the sea. Over the past few weeks, the number of people subscribed to our email list has grown from 75,000 to 300,000. We have opened a further 25 branches, and 15 national trade unions have formally affiliated with us.
All of those who campaign for the rights of the Palestinian people are used to attempts to delegitimise their actions. Since October, politicians and parts of the media have attempted to demonise those who have been marching in London as hatemongers and extremists. The reality, as confirmed by the Met Police in the evidence it recently gave to the home affairs select committee, is that despite very heavy policing, the marches have been overwhelmingly peaceful, with proportionally fewer arrests than at Glastonbury music festival. And every march has included a bloc of Jewish protesters, sometimes several thousand strong – a fact that has rarely been reported in the media.
These interventions from politicians are framed as a defence of democracy, but they are in reality an attack on it. Seeking to limit the legal and legitimate activities of established groups such as PSC, whose work is endorsed across UK civil society, is profoundly anti-democratic. At a time when civil society and human rights defenders are under attack around the world, the government should be upholding our democratic freedoms, not seeking to remove them from people with whom it has a political disagreement. Rather than seeking to silence those standing up for justice and peace, political leaders should be focused on exercising maximum pressure on Israel’s extreme rightwing government to cease its assault.
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Wales-Bales
Team Red, Blue, Yellow, and Green vetting all candidates at central office level has played a big part in the HOC being filled with nodding donkeys.
Indeed
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jon1959
While there are some things she says I can agree with. "Nailed it" is certainly not a term I would use.
Overegged pudding springs more to my mind!
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Elwood Blues
While there are some things she says I can agree with. "Nailed it" is certainly not a term I would use.
Overegged pudding springs more to my mind!
'Nailed it' sprang to mine. :thumbup:
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jon1959
'Nailed it' sprang to mine. :thumbup:
Great minds don't always think alike jon!
If I go on my laptop tonight I may expand on my views.
Too much hard doing longer posts on my tablet or phone thses days!