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Speed limit to be lowered to 20mph in Wales
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-62020427
Speed limits in built-up areas look set to be reduced from 30mph to 20mph in Wales from next year - a UK first that is controversial among some drivers.
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Whilst many in north Cardiff have been keeping to the new limit, plenty haven't. I look forward to hearing about bus and taxi drivers being fined for speeding in bus lanes, as many seem oblivious to the new 20 limit.
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it's pathetic, it will soon be quicker to use a bike or run. Work journeys are killing me being stuck in a queue of 20mph nobbers
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Dave St
it's pathetic, it will soon be quicker to use a bike or run. Work journeys are killing me being stuck in a queue of 20mph nobbers
Isn't that the aim, or one of them?
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neilw65
Isn't that the aim, or one of them?
Of course. Still painful
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As I said in the other thread about this, 2 weeks ago:facepalm:, I am fed up of being undertaken by cyclists doing more than 20mph
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BLUETIT
As I said in the other thread about this, 2 weeks ago:facepalm:, I am fed up of being undertaken by cyclists doing more than 20mph
Why do you give a shit?
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The Bloop
Whilst many in north Cardiff have been keeping to the new limit, plenty haven't. I look forward to hearing about bus and taxi drivers being fined for speeding in bus lanes, as many seem oblivious to the new 20 limit.
It will cause a problem for buses, certainly. A 5 mile journey at 20mph will take 5 minutes longer than a 5 mile journey at 30mph. Buses tend to run on tight schedules for profitability and more delays will mean either less services or a need for more buses and drivers, with costs going up as a result.
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If a 20 mph limit is not enforced (and where I drive/cycle/walk in North Cardiff it clearly isn't), what is the point of having it?
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All for it.Get more speed cams as well.There;s some right nutters on the road.Save fuel as well save the planet.More speed bumps as well.
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BLUETIT
As I said in the other thread about this, 2 weeks ago:facepalm:, I am fed up of being undertaken by cyclists doing more than 20mph
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Tuerto
Why do you give a shit?
It's a great advert for switching to a bike, particularly for short journeys.
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dandywarhol
All for it.Get more speed cams as well.There;s some right nutters on the road.Save fuel as well save the planet.More speed bumps as well.
Amen brother!
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Hopefully that will mean more AMs will be fined.
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dandywarhol
All for it.Get more speed cams as well.There;s some right nutters on the road.Save fuel as well save the planet.More speed bumps as well.
most modern cars are designed to be most fuel efficient at around 50 to 60.
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it's a mild inconvenience, and I drive around North Cardiff all the time.
how many kids lives being saved would make this change worthwhile? I would suggest if it saves 1 single life it was worth it.
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Eric the Half a Bee
It will cause a problem for buses, certainly. A 5 mile journey at 20mph will take 5 minutes longer than a 5 mile journey at 30mph. Buses tend to run on tight schedules for profitability and more delays will mean either less services or a need for more buses and drivers, with costs going up as a result.
which bus routes are driving for 5 miles through 20mph roads?
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dandywarhol
All for it.Get more speed cams as well.There;s some right nutters on the road.Save fuel as well save the planet.More speed bumps as well.
Driving at 20mph isn't any more fuel efficient than driving at 30mph. Plus a one mile trip will take 50% longer at 20mph, so exhaust fumes for 50% more, and in theory 50% more vehicles travelling through towns and cities.
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A Quiet Monkfish
Driving at 20mph isn't any more fuel efficient than driving at 30mph. Plus a one mile trip will take 50% longer at 20mph, so exhaust fumes for 50% more, and in theory 50% more vehicles travelling through towns and cities.
Good argument for electric.
Edit: or trams, bikes, Hop over to Amsterdam. Spent a few weeks there last month. Puts us to shame.
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Rjk
which bus routes are driving for 5 miles through 20mph roads?
#23 through Rhiwbina and Whitchurch?
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Rjk
which bus routes are driving for 5 miles through 20mph roads?
Most of them will be soon
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JamesWales
#23 through Rhiwbina and Whitchurch?
yes probably that one
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I know, what about this WFH thing I hear people talking about. Who cares about 20mph commuting then?
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Rjk
which bus routes are driving for 5 miles through 20mph roads?
You'll find loads in the valleys. I bet there's loads in Cardiff as well. The 17/18 to Ely would surely be all 20mph and that's a fair distance.
My local route covers 8 miles between Abercynon and Aberdare, which would become all 20 mph. That stretch takes around 45 minutes at present. It would easily need another 15 minutes each way, adding 30 minutes overall. It currently needs 6 buses and drivers to run an every 20 minute service. It would need an extra 2 buses and drivers to maintain that 20 minute frequency or be reduced to a half hourly frequency to maintain the current number of buses using it.
If you reduce a bus frequency less people then use it. If you increase costs on a route, fares would have to rise to accommodate. Fare rises mean less people use the bus. Routes that make minimal profits may end up being cut.
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As has been said, 20mph around schools and playgrounds is understandable, maybe even town centres. But not everywhere that is currently a 30mph road. Road deaths and accidents have been more than halved in 30 years and road safety is better than ever.
This is a pointless exercise.
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Rjk
which bus routes are driving for 5 miles through 20mph roads?
17, 18, 21, 27, 28, 28b the list is endless
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Eric the Half a Bee
You'll find loads in the valleys. I bet there's loads in Cardiff as well. The 17/18 to Ely would surely be all 20mph and that's a fair distance.
My local route covers 8 miles between Abercynon and Aberdare, which would become all 20 mph. That stretch takes around 45 minutes at present. It would easily need another 15 minutes each way, adding 30 minutes overall. It currently needs 6 buses and drivers to run an every 20 minute service. It would need an extra 2 buses and drivers to maintain that 20 minute frequency or be reduced to a half hourly frequency to maintain the current number of buses using it.
If you reduce a bus frequency less people then use it. If you increase costs on a route, fares would have to rise to accommodate. Fare rises mean less people use the bus. Routes that make minimal profits may end up being cut.
simple answer is to keep the main through roads as 30 and make the side roads all 20
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delmbox
MONORAIL TIME
It’s high time. Transport in the South Wales conurbation is Stone Age.
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LeningradCowboy
May I be the first to suggest that we go down to 5mph and every time we leave the house we have to have a man with a red flag on a stick walking in front of us. Because this is the way things are going!
Three times in the last ten days I have come down Caerphilly Mountain (via the Black Cock) and onto Rhiwbina Hill, whereby lycra louts have over taken me doing way in excess of 20mph on their bikes. Why can't that feckin' 'orrible speed camera which is permanently placed there catch them as well as us motorists?
As you can tell I for one, am not for the 20mph speed limit!
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haha.....what a farcical decision...have these people EVER driven at 20mph??? Next stage they will want someone with a red flag (probably with a dragon on it) walking ahead of a vehicle......YCNMIU
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Cyclops
If a 20 mph limit is not enforced (and where I drive/cycle/walk in North Cardiff it clearly isn't), what is the point of having it?
ESG score.
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JamesWales
#23 through Rhiwbina and Whitchurch?
Yep I was pleased with having the increase in speed in Nth CF rise to 20mph ..
Have to say it's worked ,it has calmed folk down ..
Imagine the money spinning cameras are on the way..
Get ready for this though :
https://www.wandsworthguardian.co.uk...tn-fines-year/
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A completely baseless and unpopular decision by the council, never!
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LeningradCowboy
The speed limit in Manhattan is 25 MPH. I'm quite sure Cardiff could cope with 30 MPH.
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Wales-Bales
ESG score.
As you know I am a simple soul, and presume this is a new three-piece supergroup a la ELP.
Would have thought it was more to do with Social, Environmental and Governance (SEG).
Doesn't anyone care about the total failure of enforcement - apart from the concerned citizen who has knocked up an extremely convincing DIY mock-up of a yellow speed camera in a front garden of Pendywallt Road - the location of which is easily identified by multiple skid marks on the road just past said garden.
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If you hit a pedestrian:
at 40 mph there is a 90 percent chance they will be killed.
at 35 mph there is a 50 percent chance they will be killed.
at 30 mph there is a 20 percent chance they will be killed.
at 20 mph there is a 2.5 percent chance they will be killed.
Source: Roadwise
It's worth bearing in mind that drivers are already speeding in 30mph zones so therefore are likely to be speeding in 20mph zones too. Not anyone on here of course, because we're all law-abiding and socially minded members of the community on CCMB.
Personally, I can't wait for smart limiters on vehicles so you won't have any choice. AI is going to be so much better at this stuff than you are. You won't even need speed cameras because of smart data logs. All this stuff is available in motorsport right now (Endurance racing & F1) and all the current bells and whistles come from team and manufacturer's innovations.
Even the World Endurance Championship is using biofuel this season.
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Citizen's Nephew
If you hit a pedestrian:
at 40 mph there is a 90 percent chance they will be killed.
at 35 mph there is a 50 percent chance they will be killed.
at 30 mph there is a 20 percent chance they will be killed.
at 20 mph there is a 2.5 percent chance they will be killed.
Source:
Roadwise
It's worth bearing in mind that drivers are already speeding in 30mph zones so therefore are likely to be speeding in 20mph zones too. Not anyone on here of course, because we're all law-abiding and socially minded members of the community on CCMB.
Personally, I can't wait for smart limiters on vehicles so you won't have any choice. AI is going to be so much better at this stuff than you are. You won't even need speed cameras because of smart data logs. All this stuff is available in motorsport right now (Endurance racing & F1) and all the current bells and whistles come from team and manufacturer's innovations.
Even the
World Endurance Championship is using biofuel this season.
there is also research that shows the 90% death rate at 40mph is based on an 80% death rate given by the DofT which might be exaggeration, thanks to modern car design you can find 30% survival rates at 40 , but when we are all microchiped we will know the truth
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Cyclops
As you know I am a simple soul, and presume this is a new three-piece supergroup a la ELP.
Would have thought it was more to do with Social, Environmental and Governance (SEG).
Doesn't anyone care about the total failure of enforcement - apart from the concerned citizen who has knocked up an extremely convincing DIY mock-up of a yellow speed camera in a front garden of Pendywallt Road - the location of which is easily identified by multiple skid marks on the road just past said garden.
You got the right words in the wrong order :thumbup:
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Wales-Bales
You got the right words in the wrong order :thumbup:
Life the of that's my story