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The much maligned Flint
5 goals, 4 assists this season. He might not be everyone's cup of tea defensively but he's definitely contributing
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Re: The much maligned Flint
We've conceded 3 goals (so far) tonight against a Division 4 team.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
Yes, poor defending is reported.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
That's the hung with stats..
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
5 goals, 4 assists this season. He might not be everyone's cup of tea defensively but he's definitely contributing
Or evening out defensive errors. He's not in the team to score goals, that should be a bonus on top of good defending. If he has defended poorly tonight then the two goals he would've scored wont really mean that much to him. Maybe he should play upfront.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
he's not a striker. his job is to defend
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And still in a negative on goal contributions.
Would be happy to bring him on up front for 20 mins every game to save him causing any problems at the back
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
5 goals, 4 assists this season. He might not be everyone's cup of tea defensively but he's definitely contributing
I suspect playing against teams like Carlisle is more his level as he certainly isn’t a Championship standard defender.
Not from what I have seen since he has been at Cardiff City anyway.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
5 goals, 4 assists this season. He might not be everyone's cup of tea defensively but he's definitely contributing
I've seen milk turn quicker than Flint
His distribution is woeful
He can't tackle
He's got no positional sense whatsoever
He was a very poor signing
He's an average League One defender
Apart from that he's fine
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I listened to Radio Cumbria .
They thought he was woeful .
Unfortunately .
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Re: The much maligned Flint
Did he pay off his transfer fee tonight ? :hehe:
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
olderblue
I've seen milk turn quicker than Flint
His distribution is woeful
He can't tackle
He's got no positional sense whatsoever
He was a very poor signing
He's an average League One defender
Apart from that he's fine
194 games in the Championship since 2015 (216 total) plus 25 goals tends to disprove your assertions.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
194 games in the Championship since 2015 (216 total) plus 25 goals tends to disprove your assertions.
It proves nothing other than he had three good seasons with Bristol City. He wasn't rated at Boro and he's not rated many here. Even you have to admit he's cost more than his fair share of goals this season.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
194 games in the Championship since 2015 (216 total) plus 25 goals tends to disprove your assertions.
Okay you're right he's a fantastic signing worth twice the purported £4M we paid for him
He reminds me of Franz Beckenbaur and Rio Ferdinand all rolled into one
Majestic on the ball and could probably hold Bolt off over a quick sprint
He's ability to read the game is second to none and he will probably get called up for the Euros in the summer
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
194 games in the Championship since 2015 (216 total) plus 25 goals tends to disprove your assertions.
You've used goals and appearances to disprove a post saying he can't tackle, is slow at turning, he has poor distribution, he's got no positional sense... Sums you up :hehe:
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Re: The much maligned Flint
He scored 15 League goals in one season a few years ago of Bristol City. Which is better than any of our strikers have done for years. But he's there to defend.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
dembethewarrior
You've used goals and appearances to disprove a post saying he can't tackle, is slow at turning, he has poor distribution, he's got no positional sense... Sums you up :hehe:
:hehe: Spot on!
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
Jimmy the Jock
I listened to Radio Cumbria .
They thought he was woeful .
Unfortunately .
Wales Online have him as Man Of The Match!
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...nsive-17575353
Based only on the club audio commentary, I am in Radio Cumbria's camp!
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
Llandaff Blue
he's not a striker. his job is to defend
Maybe he should be?
A cheaper alternative than Moore and has scored more goals this season.
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Originally Posted by
BLUEAWAY
Maybe he should be?
A cheaper alternative than Moore and has scored more goals this season.
We could have a strike partnership of players who were brought in as a centre back and right back. So glad Warnock knew a forward when he saw one.....
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
dml1954
194 games in the Championship since 2015 (216 total) plus 25 goals tends to disprove your assertions.
40 goals conceded in his 26 league games tends to back up olderblue's assertions
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
We could have a strike partnership of players who were brought in as a centre back and right back. So glad Warnock knew a forward when he saw one.....
Lol
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
olderblue
Okay you're right he's a fantastic signing worth twice the purported £4M we paid for him
He reminds me of Franz Beckenbaur and Rio Ferdinand all rolled into one
Majestic on the ball and could probably hold Bolt off over a quick sprint
He's ability to read the game is second to none and he will probably get called up for the Euros in the summer
He reminds you of Beckenbaur and Ferdinand and you reckon he's as fast as Bolt, and you value him at £8m? Clueless about football
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Originally Posted by
olderblue
Okay you're right he's a fantastic signing worth twice the purported £4M we paid for him
He reminds me of Franz Beckenbaur and Rio Ferdinand all rolled into one
Majestic on the ball and could probably hold Bolt off over a quick sprint
He's ability to read the game is second to none and he will probably get called up for the Euros in the summer
In place of Harry Kane:hehe:
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Re: The much maligned Flint
5 goals 4 assists? He should be playing in the hole. Just imagine
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
I suspect playing against teams like Carlisle is more his level as he certainly isn’t a Championship standard defender.
Not from what I have seen since he has been at Cardiff City anyway.
He's had good and bad games. Our defensive problems are not down to Flint, they're a team issue. Judging on his displays against Carlisle, there's a reason we've not seen Coxe in the league.
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[QUOTE=delmbox;5038892]He reminds you of Beckenbaur and Ferdinand and you reckon he's as fast as Bolt, and you value him at £8m? Clueless about football[/QUOTE
Umm I think that's called irony Delmbox.
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
He reminds you of Beckenbaur and Ferdinand and you reckon he's as fast as Bolt, and you value him at £8m? Clueless about football
Umm I think that's called irony Delmbox.
I think Delmbox was also doing a bit of the old irony.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
Bit odd to see people criticising him for last night without even watching the goals or highlights.
I just watched them ( on top of listening to the commentary where it seemed he was a one man show there, hardly a mention of Bamba in the whole game)
and to single him out for the defensive display is pretty unfair .
He’s lost his bearings for the first goal, but then the marking in the box when the cross came in is terrible.
2nd goal the lad behind him ( think it is Coxe) has lost him man.
3rd goal there’s 3 players around the ball sleeping.
Flint is actually the only one to react.
No defender would have stopped that
He’s done far more good than bad for us and personally I think he’s been subject to a lot of very unfair comments.
You can’t just discount his goals and assists. For a team like ours they are precious.
Seems to be a theme of knocking centre half’s amongst our fans .. Hudson, Morrison now Flint.
I’m definitely one of the centre half union having played there most of my playing career and at this level it’s a big plus to have a commanding centre half like Flint or Morrison . You’ve got to be able to win your headers
I also don’t think that either are that bad on the ball. Passing accuracy is pretty meaningless for a team that doesn’t bother with the pointless passing around at the back and gets it forward early. This sort of thing could have cost Swansea a couple of times on Sunday where we cut these passes out if we’d had a bit more threat up front.
As for Flints time at Boro.
He played all season, and was still in the starting XI at the end. Their defensive record was very good.
Woodgate wanted to go to a passing game and they needed the cash, so they sold him.
Morrison and Nelson were both very good v Swansea and will rightly keep their places. However we might need to call Flint up in the near future so I’m hoping he doesn’t read Messageboards as it isn’t really going to help his confidence.
By the way statistically on the who scored analysis site he’s one of our top 3 performers with Morrison and Ralls the only other ones scoring over 7 on average
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"so I’m hoping he doesn’t read Messageboards as it isn’t really going to help his confidence."
Everybody from actors, pop stars, athlete's, darts players, random famous people they all get criticised.
How many times have you seen a boxer get ripped to shreds (Price comes to mind) and just get on with it?
If a few people posting their opinions on him (he's slow, turns like he's tap dancing on honey etc) knock his confidence then he isn't strong enough to be here.
I'm not saying he should automatically have to take it, but it's there and it's part of the game and they are comments based on his ability, which as a pro will always come under scrutiny. But you love having a pop at the fans anyway don't you.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
Lawnmower
Bit odd to see people criticising him for last night without even watching the goals or highlights.
I just watched them ( on top of listening to the commentary where it seemed he was a one man show there, hardly a mention of Bamba in the whole game)
and to single him out for the defensive display is pretty unfair .
He’s lost his bearings for the first goal, but then the marking in the box when the cross came in is terrible.
2nd goal the lad behind him ( think it is Coxe) has lost him man.
3rd goal there’s 3 players around the ball sleeping.
Flint is actually the only one to react.
No defender would have stopped that
He’s done far more good than bad for us and personally I think he’s been subject to a lot of very unfair comments.
You can’t just discount his goals and assists. For a team like ours they are precious.
Seems to be a theme of knocking centre half’s amongst our fans .. Hudson, Morrison now Flint.
I’m definitely one of the centre half union having played there most of my playing career and at this level it’s a big plus to have a commanding centre half like Flint or Morrison . You’ve got to be able to win your headers
I also don’t think that either are that bad on the ball. Passing accuracy is pretty meaningless for a team that doesn’t bother with the pointless passing around at the back and gets it forward early. This sort of thing could have cost Swansea a couple of times on Sunday where we cut these passes out if we’d had a bit more threat up front.
As for Flints time at Boro.
He played all season, and was still in the starting XI at the end. Their defensive record was very good.
Woodgate wanted to go to a passing game and they needed the cash, so they sold him.
Morrison and Nelson were both very good v Swansea and will rightly keep their places. However we might need to call Flint up in the near future so I’m hoping he doesn’t read Messageboards as it isn’t really going to help his confidence.
By the way statistically on the who scored analysis site he’s one of our top 3 performers with Morrison and Ralls the only other ones scoring over 7 on average
The thing is, he is the only difference in personnel in our defence from last season and we now ship goals at an alarming rate (aside from the game against the JBs in which he didn’t play)
So whereas the form of the other defenders and Etheridge HAS dipped, I don’t see how Flint’s time at the club can be seen as anything other than very poor.
First impressions are often right (it was evident that Madine was useless from the very first time I saw him!) and nothing that I have seen from Flint so far, at this level, has impressed me. In fact, I often wonder if the opposition (and their fans!) see him in the team and think ‘Great, get the ball on the floor and isolate him and we’ll cause problems’ - see Brentford and QPR)
Now, I remember that Morrison was similar to Flint when he arrived at the club and I had serious doubts, but has improved immeasurably so there IS hope.
That said, I just can’t see, and haven’t seen, a pairing of Morrison and Flint working (zero pace for example) and so having to be SO selective about who else to play alongside Flint severely limits team selection.
A bit like HAVING to play Pack as CDM and then fit the whole team around him as is is unable to play anywhere else. :-(
Currently he is possibly a squad player suited for games against lower league opposition like Carlisle, until he improves. Which is a very expensive was to spend £4m, or whatever he cost from Boro.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
The thing is, he is the only difference in personnel in our defence from last season and we now ship goals at an alarming rate (aside from the game against the JBs in which he didn’t play)
So whereas the form of the other defenders and Etheridge HAS dipped, I don’t see how Flint’s time at the club can be seen as anything other than very poor.
First impressions are often right (it was evident that Madine was useless from the very first time I saw him!) and nothing that I have seen from Flint so far, at this level, has impressed me. In fact, I often wonder if the opposition (and their fans!) see him in the team and think ‘Great, get the ball on the floor and isolate him and we’ll cause problems’ - see Brentford and QPR)
Now, I remember that Morrison was similar to Flint when he arrived at the club and I had serious doubts, but has improved immeasurably so there IS hope.
That said, I just can’t see, and haven’t seen, a pairing of Morrison and Flint working (zero pace for example) and so having to be SO selective about who else to play alongside Flint severely limits team selection.
A bit like HAVING to play Pack as CDM and then fit the whole team around him as is is unable to play anywhere else. :-(
Currently he is possibly a squad player suited for games against lower league opposition like Carlisle, until he improves. Which is a very expensive was to spend £4m, or whatever he cost from Boro.
It was very poor recruitment by Warnock in my view we lost Manga and replaced him with a player too similar to Morrison
I think Nelson was bought in as replacement for Sol, and I think he will make that position his own, I like the pairing of these two as I'm hopeful they will develop a Good partnership and understanding of each other's game.
Likewise I'm firmly in the camp of giving Glatzel and Whyte time to bed in and I think it's just plain daft to criticise a young fullbacks performance after two appearances.
Obviously I could be wrong about the lot of them, but I haven't seen anything in Flint or Pack which looks to me like they will be good additions to a team aiming for a top six finish.
Flint scored two goals against the team that is currently 21st ? In league two last night, more of a concern is how we shipped three goals against such lowly opposition!
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
The thing is, he is the only difference in personnel in our defence from last season and we now ship goals at an alarming rate (aside from the game against the JBs in which he didn’t play)
So whereas the form of the other defenders and Etheridge HAS dipped, I don’t see how Flint’s time at the club can be seen as anything other than very poor.
First impressions are often right (it was evident that Madine was useless from the very first time I saw him!) and nothing that I have seen from Flint so far, at this level, has impressed me. In fact, I often wonder if the opposition (and their fans!) see him in the team and think ‘Great, get the ball on the floor and isolate him and we’ll cause problems’ - see Brentford and QPR)
Now, I remember that Morrison was similar to Flint when he arrived at the club and I had serious doubts, but has improved immeasurably so there IS hope.
That said, I just can’t see, and haven’t seen, a pairing of Morrison and Flint working (zero pace for example) and so having to be SO selective about who else to play alongside Flint severely limits team selection.
A bit like HAVING to play Pack as CDM and then fit the whole team around him as is is unable to play anywhere else. :-(
Currently he is possibly a squad player suited for games against lower league opposition like Carlisle, until he improves. Which is a very expensive was to spend £4m, or whatever he cost from Boro.
Morrison was 23 when we signed him. Flint is 30 and it's unlikely that he will improve at this stage of his career.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
Lawnmower
Bit odd to see people criticising him for last night without even watching the goals or highlights.
I just watched them ( on top of listening to the commentary where it seemed he was a one man show there, hardly a mention of Bamba in the whole game)
and to single him out for the defensive display is pretty unfair .
He’s lost his bearings for the first goal, but then the marking in the box when the cross came in is terrible.
2nd goal the lad behind him ( think it is Coxe) has lost him man.
3rd goal there’s 3 players around the ball sleeping.
Flint is actually the only one to react.
No defender would have stopped that
He’s done far more good than bad for us and personally I think he’s been subject to a lot of very unfair comments.
You can’t just discount his goals and assists. For a team like ours they are precious.
Seems to be a theme of knocking centre half’s amongst our fans .. Hudson, Morrison now Flint.
I’m definitely one of the centre half union having played there most of my playing career and at this level it’s a big plus to have a commanding centre half like Flint or Morrison . You’ve got to be able to win your headers
I also don’t think that either are that bad on the ball. Passing accuracy is pretty meaningless for a team that doesn’t bother with the pointless passing around at the back and gets it forward early. This sort of thing could have cost Swansea a couple of times on Sunday where we cut these passes out if we’d had a bit more threat up front.
As for Flints time at Boro.
He played all season, and was still in the starting XI at the end. Their defensive record was very good.
Woodgate wanted to go to a passing game and they needed the cash, so they sold him.
Morrison and Nelson were both very good v Swansea and will rightly keep their places. However we might need to call Flint up in the near future so I’m hoping he doesn’t read Messageboards as it isn’t really going to help his confidence.
By the way statistically on the who scored analysis site he’s one of our top 3 performers with Morrison and Ralls the only other ones scoring over 7 on average
You swear you were a professional footballer the way you go on about your "playing career" ffs :hehe:
He was at fault for the first goal we conceded and actually turned his back on the 3rd goal before realising they had taken quickly and then reacted far too late.
He is a danger in the opposition box, there is no doubting that, but he is way too slow at the back and the way teams play today (Except us) you dont need a huge, commanding in the air centre half like you did in "your day".
As for Flints time at Boro he admitted himself he had a poor season so please stop trying to rewrite history to suit your argument.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
Bobby Dandruff
The thing is, he is the only difference in personnel in our defence from last season and we now ship goals at an alarming rate (aside from the game against the JBs in which he didn’t play).
He’s not the only difference, is he!
We’ve also lost Manga, brought in Nelson, used Coxe a little bit, Jazz has returned from injury, Sol has barely played and even used Bacuna a bit, too, so our defence is quite different to last season.
Saying that, I agree with the assessments here - he’s too slow and immobile. We shouldn’t be swayed by the goals scored, when the goals conceded are simply too high.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
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Originally Posted by
City123
40 goals conceded in his 26 league games tends to back up olderblue's assertions
We'll be better with a centre two of Morrison and Nelson I feel.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
You swear you were a professional footballer the way you go on about your "playing career" ffs :hehe:
He was at fault for the first goal we conceded and actually turned his back on the 3rd goal before realising they had taken quickly and then reacted far too late.
He is a danger in the opposition box, there is no doubting that, but he is way too slow at the back and the way teams play today (Except us) you dont need a huge, commanding in the air centre half like you did in "your day".
As for Flints time at Boro he admitted himself he had a poor season so please stop trying to rewrite history to suit your argument.
Didn't see say it was the worst season of his career? Pretty damning, if you ask me.
He was probably Boro's highest rated player on WhoScored.com though, so what does Flint know...
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Didn't he say it was the worst season of his career? Pretty damning, if you ask me.
He was probably Boro's highest rated player on WhoScored.com though, so what does Flint know...
Corrected.
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Originally Posted by
Heisenberg
Didn't see say it was the worst season of his career? Pretty damning, if you ask me.
He was probably Boro's highest rated player on WhoScored.com though, so what does Flint know...
"Diabolical" was how he described his season in the article I read.
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Re: The much maligned Flint
You play teams the standard of Carlisle United every week and I guarantee you Flint will score goals.
He is a menace at that level in the box and can head the ball powerfully from set pieces.
Sadly as my old man always said about him “he’s in the team to defend and not score and the fact he can head the ball means little at the back when he puts absolutely no direction on it at all”.
I like Big Aden. I always have because he always puts in effort and he cares.
But sadly in the Championship, he is exposed horrendously by faster, better players.
If you play Carlisle and the like each week he’ll do alright.
Sadly playing the likes of West Brom and Brentford, he looks awfully out of place.
In some ways I hope he goes back to L1 so he can enjoy his football.