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Welcome to Wrexham... unless you're a Tory
Wrexham player banned from wearing ‘F*** the Tories’ football boots
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-b2209965.html
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What happened to peaceful protest and free speech?
It literally says F*** The Tories.
It could mean Free the Tories.
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NYCBlue
What happened to peaceful protest and free speech?
It literally says F*** The Tories.
It could mean Free the Tories.
Wrexham are free to distance themselves from whatever political message they want.
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Llandaff Blue
Wrexham are free to distance themselves from whatever political message they want.
Are they? Even if so, just because they can, doesn't mean they should.
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NYCBlue
Are they? Even if so, just because they can, doesn't mean they should.
Yes?
For starters Wrexham is a tory constituency, I'm not surprised they don't want to alienate their fanbase
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Llandaff Blue
Yes?
For starters Wrexham is a tory constituency, I'm not surprised they don't want to alienate their fanbase
Don’t worry, the Tories have already done that.
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Llandaff Blue
Yes?
For starters Wrexham is a tory constituency, I'm not surprised they don't want to alienate their fanbase
? We supported the City with Brexiteer Warnock in charge but turned when he shafted us. Nothing to do with his political stance, he stood and then fell by his affect on our club not his right wing views, as abhorrent as they were. The ‘F*ck The Tories’ chant is being heard at games, do you reckon Tory leaning fans will stop attending if their team are winning?
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Dave Blue
Don’t worry, the Tories have already done that.
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splott parker
? We supported the City with Brexiteer Warnock in charge but turned when he shafted us. Nothing to do with his political stance, he stood and then fell by his affect on our club not his right wing views, as abhorrent as they were. The ‘F*ck The Tories’ chant is being heard at games, do you reckon Tory leaning fans will stop attending if their team are winning?
I'm just putting across why they distanced themselves from his boots, it's not rocket science
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Llandaff Blue
I'm just putting across why they distanced themselves from his boots, it's not rocket science
He’s made his views public without or without the boots, I doubt if the fans would have been able to read what was on them and without his publicity stunt would have been none the wiser. So, if Wrexham have any, what do Tory backing fans do? He’s their top scorer, National League player of the year and they’re doing ok. They’ll been cheering him on if he carries on scoring whatever their political views.
Wrexham have made their statement, as you would expect, they’re attempting to remain neutral but in the big picture its small potatoes, clubs and fans have welcomed back rapists, drug takers, crooks etc. It’s no big deal.
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It's a labour seat that went tory , marginally , in 2019
Put your boots on !
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Remember when Robbie Fowler got into trouble for wearing a t shirt supporting striking Liverpool dockers? The football authorities have always clamped down on any sort of political statements in games by players and, even if Wrexham were okay about it, the League or FA wouldn’t be.
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Keep politics out of football
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WJ99mobile
Keep politics out of football
That’s the end of football messageboards :hehe:
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Llandaff Blue
Yes?
For starters Wrexham is a tory constituency, I'm not surprised they don't want to alienate their fanbase
a Tory constituency?
it's been Tory for a total of 3 years in its entire history, and labour have won there at every election between 1935 and 2019, it'll almost certainly return to Labour at the next election as well
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Llandaff Blue
Yes?
For starters Wrexham is a tory constituency, I'm not surprised they don't want to alienate their fanbase
Alienate the fan base.😂😂😂
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1 down at home,Mullen needs to get his shooting boots on.
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Clearly inappropriate and sectarianism and bigotry like that isn't welcome - will just alienate a lot of the fanbase. Some on here won't care, because it's not them being insulted.
There was a small gaggle of Wales fans singing this when I was in Brussels for the Wales game. Centred around a couple of older guys in 'Yes Cymru' T Shirts who seemed to view it all as a recruitment opportunity more than anything.
Reminded me of the kind of people, pissed up older guys who should know better and a load of impressionable youths singing things like 'I'd rather wear a turban than a rose' a few years back.
Should be stamped out, we don't need it.
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JamesWales
Clearly inappropriate and sectarianism and bigotry like that isn't welcome - will just alienate a lot of the fanbase. Some on here won't care, because it's not them being insulted.
There was a small gaggle of Wales fans singing this when I was in Brussels for the Wales game. Centred around a couple of older guys in 'Yes Cymru' T Shirts who seemed to view it all as a recruitment opportunity more than anything.
Reminded me of the kind of people, pissed up older guys who should know better and a load of impressionable youths singing things like 'I'd rather wear a turban than a rose' a few years back.
Should be stamped out, we don't need it.
You are comparing anti tory feeling in Wales.....and Scotland......to racist chanting ?
Get the feck out of here
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You are comparing anti tory feeling in Wales.....and Scotland......to racist chanting ?
Get the feck out of here
Absolutely I am. They are both divisive, c**ty things to do. Songs sung by bigots.
You may not care less if you alienate people who spread division. Others do.
I've become increasingly uncomfortable in recent years with some of the stuff I hear at Wales games tbh.
We don't need people using football as a recruitment process for their political beliefs and I did see more evidence of that in Brussels tbh.
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I thought he'd just bought a pair of rejects from Fernando Torres with some of the stitching messed up
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Im pretty sure when I was very young our fans sung one Arthur Scargill at the police during the mid 80s or is my mind playing tricks.
Anyway lets sign Paul Mullin.
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JamesWales
Absolutely I am. They are both divisive, c**ty things to do. Songs sung by bigots.
You may not care less if you alienate people who spread division. Others do.
I've become increasingly uncomfortable in recent years with some of the stuff I hear at Wales games tbh.
We don't need people using football as a recruitment process for their political beliefs and I did see more evidence of that in Brussels tbh.
You are a fecking clown then
A group of fans from a place that has suffered at the hands of the Tories are the equivalent of racist or religious goons ?
For feck sake get out of here , your fawning support of the conservatives is making me sick
It could only be you who would turn a comedy thread into support of your fellow tories
You poor little thing
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Hilts
Im pretty sure when I was very young our fans sung one Arthur Scargill at the police during the mid 80s or is my mind playing tricks.
Anyway lets sign Paul Mullin.
Nope you are right
Thatchers , Thatchers boot boys !
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SLUDGE FACTORY
You are a fecking clown then
A group of fans from a place that has suffered at the hands of the Tories are the equivalent of racist or religious goons ?
For feck sake get out of here , your fawning support of the conservatives is making me sick
It could only be you who would turn a comedy thread into support of your fellow tories
You poor little thing
Anyone with any view different to yours makes you feel sick. Which is all the more reason why things like this shouldn't be tolerated.
And most things that impact upon the lives of people in Wrexham have not been Tory run since 1997, which is another thing I hate about all this - it's just a total distraction.
FFS Sludge, quit being so divisive all the time. Clearly it's not good. Just like a load of Linfield players having '**** Sinn Fein' on their boots is totally unhelpful.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Clearly inappropriate and sectarianism and bigotry like that isn't welcome - will just alienate a lot of the fanbase. Some on here won't care, because it's not them being insulted.
There was a small gaggle of Wales fans singing this when I was in Brussels for the Wales game. Centred around a couple of older guys in 'Yes Cymru' T Shirts who seemed to view it all as a recruitment opportunity more than anything.
Reminded me of the kind of people, pissed up older guys who should know better and a load of impressionable youths singing things like 'I'd rather wear a turban than a rose' a few years back.
Should be stamped out, we don't need it.
People suffering because of the government’s ineptitude and you say they can’t vent their feelings. Comparing it to racist, what I believe was rugby, chanting is so low and completely out of order. Government’s in the free world are insulted and, sometimes, complimented, and long may it continue as long as there isn’t violence, which is predominantly an extreme right wing thing. Give your head a wobble, stamped out? Get over yourself man.
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JamesWales
Anyone with any view different to yours makes you feel sick. Which is all the more reason why things like this shouldn't be tolerated.
And most things that impact upon the lives of people in Wrexham have not been Tory run since 1997, which is another thing I hate about all this - it's just a total distraction.
FFS Sludge, quit being so divisive all the time. Clearly it's not good. Just like a load of Linfield players having '**** Sinn Fein' on their boots is totally unhelpful.
You really have no clue. Your comparisons are utterly ridiculous, and it was no distraction, they won 3-1:hehe:
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splott parker
People suffering because of the government’s ineptitude and you say they can’t vent their feelings. Comparing it to racist, what I believe was rugby, chanting is so low and completely out of order. Government’s in the free world are insulted and, sometimes, complimented, and long may it continue as long as there isn’t violence, which is predominantly an extreme right wing thing. Give your head a wobble, stamped out? Get over yourself man.
It's only different for you because it's the people you hate having hatred sung at them by a small number of bigots.
You couldn't care less about any division or hurt or ill feeling caused as long as your tribe get to express hatred.
Just leave your bigotry out of football. There are plenty of communities who have reasons to dislike numerous political parties. Perhaps you should look a bit more closely at Wales? Bringing onto the terraces is not remotely positive.
People like you want division not unity. Leave it out. You and Sludge are exactly the kind of people who would be drunkenly singing about catholics and protestants at Celtic and Rangers games..you just don't see it and think it's all okay and a laugh.
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ffs jameswales clutching his pearls again. He'll be claiming gammon is a race again next.
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Originally Posted by
JamesWales
Clearly inappropriate and sectarianism and bigotry like that isn't welcome - will just alienate a lot of the fanbase. Some on here won't care, because it's not them being insulted.
There was a small gaggle of Wales fans singing this when I was in Brussels for the Wales game. Centred around a couple of older guys in 'Yes Cymru' T Shirts who seemed to view it all as a recruitment opportunity more than anything.
Reminded me of the kind of people, pissed up older guys who should know better and a load of impressionable youths singing things like 'I'd rather wear a turban than a rose' a few years back.
Should be stamped out, we don't need it.
A Tory moaning about people being divisive. You couldn’t make it up.
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Dave Blue
A Tory moaning about people being divisive. You couldn’t make it up.
Yes, because thats what it is. Perfectly understandable Wrexham wouldn't want to be associated with bigoted stuff like that
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Rjk
ffs jameswales clutching his pearls again. He'll be claiming gammon is a race again next.
I'm not sure why you are so desperate to insult people based on their skin colour, but crack on if thats your thing. Bit behind the times I'd say.
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with all due respect James it is incumbent on all of us to hold governments to account, and whilst we don't have a first amendment right, we do have plenty of case law that allows us to criticise our governments freely. There is also nothing which says that harsh language cannot be used either, if it is fitting.
This man exercised his right, and has done nothing wrong. You cannot claim to be a liberal minded individual and then get upset over someone expressing themselves in a way they deem appropriate.
The more pressing issue is that politics has been brought into sport, and that is something that we shouldn't really push for.
And your comparison with racist chanting is a little wide of the mark. Racist chanting of any and every kind can make sections of the crowd feel unwelcome, intimidated and may result in them not returning. Call me old fashioned if you want, but having "**** the Tories" on your boots isn't quite the same league.
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Let me get this straight. Austerity, stagnating wages, lowering living standards, brexit (remoaners, traitors, enemeies of the people) = not divisive.
Saying **** the tories = racist and divisive.
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"F*ck the Tories" and chants against Boris Johnson at football games are recent developments. Why have they been appearing in the last year or two? Could it be that a lot of people feel driven to things like that by twelve years of a Government that has seen living standards decline for the sort of person who formed the traditional football audience down the years? We've had years and years of "culture wars" that have been fermenting division with the help of the Conservative party and their media lapdogs. They want division and they can hardly complain if some on the other side of the argument choose to show their disaffection by chanting at football matches - I'm just surprised that things have not got more serious than that.
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Doucas
Let me get this straight. Austerity, stagnating wages, lowering living standards, brexit (remoaners, traitors, enemeies of the people) = not divisive.
Saying **** the tories = racist and divisive.
Don't forget 'Strivers Not Scivers!' and positive discrimination of disabled people by the government and its edicts.
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Doucas
Let me get this straight. Austerity, stagnating wages, lowering living standards, brexit (remoaners, traitors, enemeies of the people) = not divisive.
Saying **** the tories = racist and divisive.
Austerity happened the world over. Labour also proposed it in their 2010 manifesto - lenders wouldn't have lent to the UK without it. You think wages in the UK would be rising by 10%+ with a different govt right now?
If there were chants at football labelling people traitors it absolutely would be divisive, just as this is.
Usually there is at least a nugget of link to football in these things; "Eng-er-land is full of shit" at English clubs. "Does your boyfriend know you're here?" when playing Brighton etc.
It's infantile and offensive, but at least linked to football. This is rank sectarianism, nothing to do with football used by a bunch of people seeking to insert their own politics into a sport by insulting half the population. Like I said, I saw it in Brussels with some Yes Cymru guys who it looked to me viewed the whole trip as a recruitment opportunity.
It's not progressive, it causes division and people shouldn't be okay with it.
Or do we want some northern clubs chanting about Labour supporting grooming gangs? Do we want Celtic singing about the IRA? Do we want Linfield shouting **** sinn fein? It's ugly, hateful ignorance and it doesn't surprise me who is in favour of it.
Wrexham are right to condemn it IMO.
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the other bob wilson
"F*ck the Tories" and chants against Boris Johnson at football games are recent developments. Why have they been appearing in the last year or two? Could it be that a lot of people feel driven to things like that by twelve years of a Government that has seen living standards decline for the sort of person who formed the traditional football audience down the years? We've had years and years of "culture wars" that have been fermenting division with the help of the Conservative party and their media lapdogs. They want division and they can hardly complain if some on the other side of the argument choose to show their disaffection by chanting at football matches - I'm just surprised that things have not got more serious than that.
Things have got more serious than that. We've had two MP's murdered in 6 years. Constant death threats sent to them, entrenchment of ideas that fail to recognise alternative viewpoints and the insertion of toxicity online for years. I don't think this kind of thing has anything to offer football.
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