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Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
The Bob Banker Spanker
Daily scum.
Shooting the messenger doesn't work in this case though because, according to the report, City have confirmed that the letters referred to have been sent out.
I've tried not to comment much on the growing financial dispute regarding the Sala transfer fee because I don't know enough about it, but the club announced the completion of the deal on 19 January (the day of the Newcastle game, more than forty eight hours before the plane went missing)
https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...is-a-bluebird/
and were, seemingly, not too bothered about the activities of agents etc. at that time. It's tempting to think that it's solely what happened on 21 January that is behind this reluctance now to come up with a payment that, it appears, is due to Nantes under the terms of the contract signed on the 19th. However, based on previous experience of Vincent Tan, I wouldn't rule out him resorting to legal action if Emiliano was playing for us now and the story about invented interest from other clubs had, say, broken today.
To my, admittedly, limited legal knowledge though, a contract agreed to and signed by all parties would take priority over any arguments about how the terms of said contract were arrived at wouldn't it? There might be a feeling that City had been fleeced, but. legally, wouldn't they just be told that they hadn't carried out their due diligence procedure well enough?
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
The Bob Banker Spanker
Daily scum.
Why do you say that? The Daily Mail's sports coverage is excellent with journalists such as Jeff Powell, Neil Ashton, Matt Lawton, Ian Ladyman and Rob Draper.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
The big issue here could be the link between the agent and the flight. At the end of the day the agent, who receives a large cut of the fee, booked the flight on a 34 year old single engined plane known to be challenging to handle, particularly in cold windy conditions. The flight was arranged at night and then the regular experienced pilot switched to a pilot inexperienced for this type of flight and without the necessary commercial licence.
I feel the club is fully justified in scrutinising these circumstances prior to parting with that amount of money, a significant chunk of which will go to the agent who potentially is liable .
Also was the agent working for Cardiff, Nantes or totally independent?
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Shooting the messenger doesn't work in this case though because, according to the report, City have confirmed that the letters referred to have been sent out.
I've tried not to comment much on the growing financial dispute regarding the Sala transfer fee because I don't know enough about it, but the club announced the completion of the deal on 19 January (the day of the Newcastle game, more than forty eight hours before the plane went missing)
https://www.cardiffcityfc.co.uk/news...is-a-bluebird/
and were, seemingly, not too bothered about the activities of agents etc. at that time. It's tempting to think that it's solely what happened on 21 January that is behind this reluctance now to come up with a payment that, it appears, is due to Nantes under the terms of the contract signed on the 19th. However, based on previous experience of Vincent Tan, I wouldn't rule out him resorting to legal action if Emiliano was playing for us now and the story about invented interest from other clubs had, say, broken today.
To my, admittedly, limited legal knowledge though, a contract agreed to and signed by all parties would take priority over any arguments about how the terms of said contract were arrived at wouldn't it? There might be a feeling that City had been fleeced, but. legally, wouldn't they just be told that they hadn't carried out their due diligence procedure well enough?
If there are insurers involved then City are legally obliged to mitigate their loss.
This is probably going to rumble on for a while
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
Vindec
Why do you say that? The Daily Mail's sports coverage is excellent with journalists such as Jeff Powell, Neil Ashton, Matt Lawton, Ian Ladyman and Rob Draper.
It's not exclusively a sporting matter though. It's all contract law now, which happens to be in relation to a sport.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
aclem
The big issue here could be the link between the agent and the flight. At the end of the day the agent, who receives a large cut of the fee, booked the flight on a 34 year old single engined plane known to be challenging to handle, particularly in cold windy conditions. The flight was arranged at night and then the regular experienced pilot switched to a pilot inexperienced for this type of flight and without the necessary commercial licence.
I feel the club is fully justified in scrutinising these circumstances prior to parting with that amount of money, a significant chunk of which will go to the agent who potentially is liable .
Also was the agent working for Cardiff, Nantes or totally independent?
Sunday Telegraph Sport says Cardiff may sue Nantes for negligence if Sala was flown to his death by a pilot who did not have the correct licence. They also believe that liabilty could extend to Willie and Mark McKay who were working for Nantes.
More than one source told the paper that the four man transfer committee was split over buying the striker.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
If the transfer was complete then City should pay up and claim from their insurance company (are they kicking up a stink?). City should then sue for negligence (whoever was ultilmately responsible) regarding the transport arrangements if they were not above board.
The powers that be should also be investigating the MacKays as someone who was clearly banned as an agent was involved in this and ,as they claim, many other transfers.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
If there's reason to believe Cardiff have a case then its fair enough that they explore it. Every club would do it
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
Cardiff City manager: "He was my player."
Cardiff City fans: "Emiliano is a Bluebird, always in our hearts."
Cardiff City FC: "We're not going to pay for him if we can avoid it."
It's all a bit farcical, isn't it?
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Cardiff City manager: "He was my player."
Cardiff City fans: "Emiliano is a Bluebird, always in our hearts."
Cardiff City FC: "We're not going to pay for him if we can avoid it."
It's all a bit farcical, isn't it?
Glad you are ok
someone asked where you were after the Southampton game as you never posted on here
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Cardiff City manager: "He was my player."
Cardiff City fans: "Emiliano is a Bluebird, always in our hearts."
Cardiff City FC: "We're not going to pay for him if we can avoid it."
It's all a bit farcical, isn't it?
I really don’t think it is, this a business who are discussing an asset worth £15 million. People need to stop associating the human side of this to the business side.
It’s an unfortunate situation but these things have to be handled professionally on one side and on an emotional side also.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
Trouble is aren't the Mckays all bankrupt? So where do city go from here?
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
The Bob Banker Spanker
Daily scum.
In fairness the sport part of the mail is completely separate from the news part and their agendas.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Cardiff City manager: "He was my player."
Cardiff City fans: "Emiliano is a Bluebird, always in our hearts."
Cardiff City FC: "We're not going to pay for him if we can avoid it."
It's all a bit farcical, isn't it?
There is a certain dichotomy about it Dave.
However the problem might be that their insurance company would kick up a fuss things weren't done properly and may require City to make their best efforts to mitigate their losses. Possibly not much City can say for commercial confidence reasons.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
In fairness the sport part of the mail is completely separate from the news part and their agendas.
And the Mail seems to have changed a bit since Paul Dacre handed over the reins.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
Elwood Blues
And the Mail seems to have changed a bit since Paul Dacre handed over the reins.
Their sports coverage is definitely more balanced than news found on the front pages.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Cardiff City manager: "He was my player."
Cardiff City fans: "Emiliano is a Bluebird, always in our hearts."
Cardiff City FC: "We're not going to pay for him if we can avoid it."
It's all a bit farcical, isn't it?
What do you suggest the club do? Just pay up and take no legal advice?
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
I really don’t think it is....
That's your opinion. I'm sure plenty would disagree.
From the BBC report of yesterday's funeral: Warnock said "He's my player. He signed for me."
Comments like those and the public claims from the Chairman that the club will be "honourable" with Nantes seem almost crass considering what's going on in the background.
I suspect your view of this situation would be very different if you were a Nantes supporter, although I doubt you'll acknowledge as much.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
jamieccfc
What do you suggest the club do? Just pay up and take no legal advice?
I reckon they should stop talking publicly about it for starters.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
That's your opinion. I'm sure plenty would disagree.
From the BBC report of yesterday's funeral: Warnock said "He's my player. He signed for me."
Comments like those and the public claims from the Chairman that the club will be "honourable" with Nantes seem almost crass considering what's going on in the background.
I suspect your view of this situation would be very different if you were a Nantes supporter, although I doubt you'll acknowledge as much.
I suspect your view of the situation would be very different if you were a Cardiff City supporter, although I doubt you’d acknowledge as much.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
Auntie Andy
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I suspect your view of the situation would be very different if you were a Cardiff City supporter, although I doubt you’d acknowledge as much.
He is when it suits him.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
Auntie Andy
I suspect your view of the situation would be very different if you were a Cardiff City supporter, although I doubt you’d acknowledge as much.
Oh, that's undoubtedly true. I reckon I'd feel very uncomfortable about the situation if I was a Cardiff City supporter.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I reckon they should stop talking publicly about it for starters.
Agreed. Look what happens even on this messageboard as a result. Speculation countered with speculation
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Oh, that's undoubtedly true. I reckon I'd feel very uncomfortable about the situation if I was a Cardiff City supporter.
Doh... Then you go and prove my point with more speculation. Ugh
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
StraightOuttaCanton
Doh... Then you go and prove my point with more speculation. Ugh
Perhaps I should have said I know rather than I reckon.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
Nothing like this has ever happened in the history or modern football. No football club has had to deal with a situation like this. Would any football club deal with the situation differently, we don’t know is the answer.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
Auntie Andy
Nothing like this has ever happened in the history or modern football. No football club has had to deal with a situation like this. Would any football club deal with the situation differently, we don’t know is the answer.
Agreed, we all hope the club have covered themselves with appropriate insurance etc. and that the cover is valid and all paperwork is in order I don`t want to see the club lose a huge amount of money under these tragic circumstances and they won`t if all is in place will they ?
We can`t know what`s really going on in the background but I would like to think if Warnock is saying in public "my player", he is wise enough and confident enough to say it on the back of being aware of more of the facts surrounding this situation.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
StraightOuttaCanton
Doh... Then you go and prove my point with more speculation. Ugh
You must be confusing football message boards with something else. They only exist for fans opinions, guesswork and speculation. Nothing more nothing less.
In most cases, football message boards are only visited by a very small percentage of a clubs fanbase. The majority of our fans probably don’t know this board even exists, or if they do they are not the slightest bit interested in contributing.
The majority just wants to watch the team play, then go home and get on with their lives.
The only thing they’ll know about the Sala situation or any other bit of City business is what they see in the news.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
You must be confusing football message boards with something else. They only exist for fans opinions, guesswork and speculation. Nothing more nothing less.
In most cases, football message boards are only visited by a very small percentage of a clubs fanbase. The majority of our fans probably don’t know this board even exists, or if they do they are not the slightest bit interested in contributing.
The majority just wants to watch the team play, then go home and get on with their lives.
The only thing they’ll know about the Sala situation or any other bit of City business is what they see in the news.
You missed the irony... too subtle I guess
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
StraightOuttaCanton
You missed the irony... too subtle I guess
So did you 😎
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Perhaps I should have said I know rather than I reckon.
Perhaps???? You can’t even make your own mind up about the things you write 😂😂😂
Be decisive
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
That's your opinion. I'm sure plenty would disagree.
From the BBC report of yesterday's funeral: Warnock said "He's my player. He signed for me."
Comments like those and the public claims from the Chairman that the club will be "honourable" with Nantes seem almost crass considering what's going on in the background.
I suspect your view of this situation would be very different if you were a Nantes supporter, although I doubt you'll acknowledge as much.
My view wouldn’t be any different because i don’t let bias affect my opinions on the club. I think the club for once have handled the human side of this perfect.
You cannot blame a business for wanting to make everything is correct before giving away £15 million.
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This is getting farcical.
Potentially turning any goodwill we had against us.
I know it's a business but for me a football club is far more than that, there's an emotional attachment that people have to it and as such it isn't unreasonable to do things differently than some faceless corporation would.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
I reckon they should stop talking publicly about it for starters.
I don’t think anyone would disagree with that everything should be done behind closed doors
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
jamieccfc
I don’t think anyone would disagree with that everything should be done behind closed doors
It usually is done behind closed doors, but there’s always a rat that leaks things to the press.
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Originally Posted by
William Treseder
It usually is done behind closed doors, but there’s always a rat that leaks things to the press.
If a question is asked and thif club refuse to answer then the story will be skewed against them.
They can’t win.
Especially when many people can’t wait for them to fail and are happy to make a judgement on an unprecedented issue without even a fraction of the relevant information to hand.
It’ll get sorted one way or another in time, and by people far better informed and qualified to make judgements than any of us on here.
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
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Originally Posted by
Lawnmower
If a question is asked and thif club refuse to answer then the story will be skewed against them.
They can’t win.
Especially when many people can’t wait for them to fail and are happy to make a judgement on an unprecedented issue without even a fraction of the relevant information to hand.
It’ll get sorted one way or another in time, and by people far better informed and qualified to make judgements than any of us on here.
:thumbup:
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Re: Help us avoid Emiliano Sala payment: Cardiff seek Premier League clubs' advice on escaping £15m transfer fee
At the end of the day the crucial question is......Did the Premier League register him as a player?. If NOT, then there is no fee to pay. IF YES....agents involvement, talking up the transfer fee, the agents chartering the plane etc is irrelevent.....CCFS have to pay. I suspiect that the club had not yet placed him under an insurance policy.....Q did Nantes still have him insured?? If so whether he had left the club is also irrelvent.....one can insure anyone until cancelled.
MY take on this is that the cost should be split 50/50 with Nantes.