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Same Old English Alway's Cheating
Owen Farrell's red card overturned by IJC Panel.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/66512745
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Scrolling through twitter there's hardly anyone who thinks this was the correct decision. If there wasn't a sudden change in direction Farrell would have hit Basham at the same height,but on the other side. He made no attempt to either wrap his arms, or tackle in a lower position. Thought this was all about player safety. It clearly isn't if they think Farrells technique is still acceptable.
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Whisperer
Totally corrupt. They "questioned the player in detail". What a joke. He's got previous and nobody who saw the contact, even the English commentators, believed it to be anything other than a red card. To be fair to many England fans online, they believe the decision to be shameful too.
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Seen it again now. Yes its an obvious red. I thought hed been pushed into it.
Had a few when I saw it Saturday.
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The only plus point is that he's a very average rugby player so I'm not too unhappy that England keep picking him.
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They have also thrown their new review committee completely under the bus.
Their statement is damming on the reviewer saying his decision was 'dreadful'. If that was the case, how can it go ahead on the world cup?!
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No attempt to wrap = no mitigation permitted so it is a baffling one. It's created a real issue for the world cup too as they will need to keep justifying why lesser offences are red cards and this will continually be brought up. Also if Farrell actually completes his mission and removes somebody's head, he will have been playing because the panel made this decision.
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Didn't watch the game
Anyone got a link to this tackle or is it all copyrighted ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Didn't watch the game
Anyone got a link to this tackle or is it all copyrighted ?
I'm useless at links but you can see in on YouTube under 'Farrell red card'.
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Trigger
Thanks but that is like war and peace
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A crazy, illogical and plain wrong decision. Should have been a straight 3 match ban.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...t-for-the-game
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jon1959
He has a history of this kind of challenge.
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It’s really not in my nature to see someone hurt playing the game they love, but I really hope someone takes him out big style in his next game.
I’m waiting for Taine Basham to be banned for head butting Farrells shoulder
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Is it that bad ?
Thuggery has always gone on
Paul Ringer flattened Horton of England and got a red ?
Plenty of opportunity for thuggery in rugby , always has been
Welsh prop , taken out with that dirty head butt by the French forward ......he was off balance and it shifted his weight and it broke his leg
Ricky something ......part time fireman .....had to retire the break was so severe
Farrell is a dirty git but all sides have these thugs ?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Farrell is a dirty git but all sides have these thugs ?
And these days they usually get banned. But not Farrell.
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jon1959
And these days they usually get banned. But not Farrell.
It was an Australian panel ?
Maybe they thought it was aussie rules
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jon1959
2 offences in the same year should be a 6 game ban. mitigation could be pleaded to reduce that but he had none
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I recall a similar thread about Farrell several years back after a similar incident. Apologists on here explained that his father was a bit of a bully and put pressure on Farrell to play the hard man. Somehow I don't think that argument will wash anymore!
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All red cards should be recinded for world cups to allow fans to enjoy the best on the world stage ,the red cards can be reinstated for domestic use.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Didn't watch the game
Anyone got a link to this tackle or is it all copyrighted ?
Message Gabby she's got a copy
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life on mars
Message Gabby she's got a copy
I have lost her e mail
And her phone number
I wasn't that fussed
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Is it that bad ?
Thuggery has always gone on
Paul Ringer flattened Horton of England and got a red ?
Yes Paul Ringer got a red card and was banned from rugby for a year. If my memory serves me right he played football for the year to keep fit.
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life on mars
All red cards should be recinded for world cups to allow fans to enjoy the best on the world stage ,the red cards can be reinstated for domestic use.
Not that such a system is in place in Rugby Union but if a ban was due to an accumulation of yellow cards as in football, your point may be valid. But when the game is trying to stamp out play that is deemed dangerous to an opponent and make no mistake, this was extremely dangerous, the perpetrator must face the consequence of his actions, even if that involves missing World Cup games. I can only think that Farrell must have been represented by O J Simpson's lawyer.
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Originally Posted by
SLUDGE FACTORY
Is it that bad ?
Thuggery has always gone on
Paul Ringer flattened Horton of England and got a red ?
Plenty of opportunity for thuggery in rugby , always has been
Welsh prop , taken out with that dirty head butt by the French forward ......he was off balance and it shifted his weight and it broke his leg
Ricky something ......part time fireman .....had to retire the break was so severe
Farrell is a dirty git but all sides have these thugs ?
Yes its very bad.
The sport is in grave danger due to law suits from players who suffer brain damage sustained from years of tackles like this. World Rugby and the constituent unions have been harking on about player safety and this decision makes a mockery out of it.
World Rugby should appeal this decision and Farrell should get a minimum 6 game ban.
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There is no mitigation. There is no defence. It's not a tackle, it's an act of deliberate foul play. He has been leading with his right shoulder into head of opponent for years and somehow pretty much getting away with it for years. I have no idea why. It has to be stopped. Only World Rugby can stop it.
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World Rugby have appealed the tribunal decision- its the right thing to do, although it should never have gotten to this stage.
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Well done world rugby for appealing and questioning this decision - see Borthwick has left him out of the matchday squad for the Ireland game this weekend.
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And then his old man comes out and claims the circus surrounding Golden Boy 'O' is disgraceful. The only disgraceful thing is the deliberate foul play on the field, again!
The backlash from ex-English players surely adds to the thought that World Rugby have to do something here. Watch this space.
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Ribeye
Yes Paul Ringer got a red card and was banned from rugby for a year. If my memory serves me right he played football for the year to keep fit.
He didn't seem blessed with brains
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Lord Worcester
There is no mitigation. There is no defence. It's not a tackle, it's an act of deliberate foul play. He has been leading with his right shoulder into head of opponent for years and somehow pretty much getting away with it for years. I have no idea why. It has to be stopped. Only World Rugby can stop it.
Moriarty for Swansea
He was a thug
Mark Jones , Neath
I suppose they could get away with it then
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Moriarty for Swansea
He was a thug
Mark Jones , Neath
I suppose they could get away with it then
Yes they were thugs but rugby players back then were on average about 4 or 5 stone lighter. Opening scrums or line outs were often the first opportunity to exchange blows, but it cleared the air. They didn't stand up to 'tackle' someone by aiming a shoulder straight at someone's head.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Moriarty for Swansea
He was a thug
Mark Jones , Neath
I suppose they could get away with it then
Moriarty (Paul and Richard) were certainly tough boys. But times were different - and I never remember either of them deliberately targeting opponents with the same 'move' over and over - despite the fist fighting! i.e. right shoulder to opponent head.
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The Bloop
Yes they were thugs but rugby players back then were on average about 4 or 5 stone lighter. Opening scrums or line outs were often the first opportunity to exchange blows, but it cleared the air. They didn't stand up to 'tackle' someone by aiming a shoulder straight at someone's head.
You beat me to it!
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Lord Worcester
Moriarty (Paul and Richard) were certainly tough boys. But times were different - and I never remember either of them deliberately targeting opponents with the same 'move' over and over - despite the fist fighting! i.e. right shoulder to opponent head.
Pair of thugs when I was watching rugby
Often took players out with sly stuff
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Originally Posted by
The Bloop
Yes they were thugs but rugby players back then were on average about 4 or 5 stone lighter. Opening scrums or line outs were often the first opportunity to exchange blows, but it cleared the air. They didn't stand up to 'tackle' someone by aiming a shoulder straight at someone's head.
I beg to differ
Lots of thuggish Welsh players around in those days
The elder Moriarty was notorious
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Lord Worcester
Moriarty (Paul and Richard) were certainly tough boys. But times were different - and I never remember either of them deliberately targeting opponents with the same 'move' over and over - despite the fist fighting! i.e. right shoulder to opponent head.
Was it moriarty who got a thump from the boxer Colin Jones after he tried it on with his wife in a Swansea nightclub ?
Maybe it's just an urban myth
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The Bloop
Yes they were thugs but rugby players back then were on average about 4 or 5 stone lighter. Opening scrums or line outs were often the first opportunity to exchange blows, but it cleared the air. They didn't stand up to 'tackle' someone by aiming a shoulder straight at someone's head.
To be fair in those days players would also trying to run past the opposition. These days pumped up players well above their natural weight are running directly into the opposition looking for collisions and forcing themselves through to make ground.
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