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Is this the sad end to what has been a great managerial career
Those players just were not good enough today.
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Re: Is this the sad end to what has been a great managerial career
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Originally Posted by
AlwaysAway2
Those players just were not good enough today.
Agreed, but they were all Warnocks players playing his style and tactics.
Bristol were at best average but we had no clue trying to create anything.
Posters are saying we had a hatful of chances but what I saw was a City hitting the bar twice from outside the area. No other real opportunities.
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Warnock sides are known for their doggedness and fighting qualities. There seems little fight in our players this season. The time is coming where a decision will have to be made about Warnock. If the right manager becomes available then it should probably happen this side of Christmas. If the right manager does not come along then all we can hope for (at best) this season is mid table mediocrity.
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Can’t believe the first thing he says was about the ref not giving a penalty.
That’s the first interview I’ve seen of him this season and I don’t think he’ll ever change haha
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Jursset_BrisCity
Can’t believe the first thing he says was about the ref not giving a penalty.
That’s the first interview I’ve seen of him this season and I don’t think he’ll ever change haha
Was there a penalty shout, then? I didn't see one!
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Eric the Half a Bee
Was there a penalty shout, then? I didn't see one!
Has to be on about Williams kick on NML in the first half? If so then it’s never a pen and it’s embarrassing he’d mention it
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We looked sh1te! Madine is a b1oody joke. Time for a big boot up the arse in all sections. In the space of a couple of weeks beaten by the Jacks and the Wurzels ffs:facepalm:
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Llandaff Blue
Has to be on about Williams kick on NML in the first half? If so then it’s never a pen and it’s embarrassing he’d mention it
No he was on about Flint being dragged down in the box towards the end of the first half with a shirt pull.
Could well have been given - the Bristol player certainly stopped Flint jumping at the back post.
But both were tugging each others' shirts a few seconds earlier and in those situations - if the ref sees it - the defender always gets the decisions.
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jon1959
No he was on about Flint being dragged down in the box towards the end of the first half with a shirt pull.
Could well have been given - the Bristol player certainly stopped Flint jumping at the back post.
But both were tugging each others' shirts a few seconds earlier and in those situations - if the ref sees it - the defender always gets the decisions.
Definite penalty in my opinion, it doesn't hide our other failings though
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Eric the Half a Bee
Was there a penalty shout, then? I didn't see one!
When Baker and Flint were pulling each other’s shirt in the box.
It’s why Warnock stormed up the the ref at the end.
Warnock said the ref told him they were both as guilty as each other.
So Warnock said:
“but it prevented Flinty getting a header in so its a penalty and you’ve got to be brave to give them and he obviously wasn’t.
Hey but listen it was a cracking strike by the Bristol lad....”
Honestly.
I will miss him when he’s gone.
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Definite penalty in 1st half on Flint. We were unlucky to hit the woodwork a couple of times too.
The players can't be blamed, we actually played OK today, at least there was an attempt at football. Warnock has to take the blame again. Taking of Holiett and Tomlin, and putting on Paterson and Madine just about summed it up. And there were boos at the end , but not for the team just for Warnock.
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Originally Posted by
jon1959
No he was on about Flint being dragged down in the box towards the end of the first half with a shirt pull.
Could well have been given - the Bristol player certainly stopped Flint jumping at the back post.
But both were tugging each others' shirts a few seconds earlier and in those situations - if the ref sees it - the defender always gets the decisions.
Ah right, forgot about that.
Yeah both of them were pulling each others shirts, some weekends they're given and others they are not. Wouldn't even mention it if I were him but I guess someone has to take the blame
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delmbox
Definite penalty in my opinion, it doesn't hide our other failings though
It was a pen but that wasn’t the reason we lost. I actually thought we played pretty well after Bristol dominated the 1st 20 minutes or so, and we created bits and pieces without ever having clear chances. I thought that was Pack’s best game for us today, Tomlin looked decent and Nelson is developing but apart from that, not too many positives.
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Stavross1927
It was a pen but that wasn’t the reason we lost. I actually thought we played pretty well after Bristol dominated the 1st 20 minutes or so, and we created bits and pieces without ever having clear chances. I thought that was Pack’s best game for us today, Tomlin looked decent and Nelson is developing but apart from that, not too many positives.
Agreed that Nelson is developing however, Morrison will be back in the next match as one of Warnock favourites
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DubaiDai
Agreed that Nelson is developing however, Morrison will be back in the next match as one of Warnock favourites
Instead of Flint hopefully
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DubaiDai
Agreed that Nelson is developing however, Morrison will be back in the next match as one of Warnock favourites
Would rather see Bamba back. We miss his prescence at the back. He's always pointing here, shouting there, Things that Morrison nor Flint really do..
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You can be the best manager in the World, but if you have 4 centre forwards who aren’t scoring goals, then you’re fcuked.
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G rangetown Blue
You can be the best manager in the World, but if you have 4 centre forwards who aren’t scoring goals, then you’re fcuked.
If you were the best manager in the world you'd figure out a way of getting them the ball
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First time this season we won all the stats but lost our home record, what does that tell us? Stats don’t matter only goals, we again scored a big fat zero!
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A Quiet Monkfish
Would rather see Bamba back. We miss his prescence at the back. He's always pointing here, shouting there, Things that Morrison nor Flint really do..
Bamba looked way off the pace during his brief appearance last week.
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delmbox
If you were the best manager in the world you'd figure out a way of getting them the ball
If You are the best manager in the world you wouldn't be as shit as Warnock at buying strikers
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delmbox
If you were the best manager in the world you'd figure out a way of getting them the ball
I just don’t think this is true. Most chances/shots in the league have we not?
Bogle has good chances today, Glatzel has missed loads. They’re just not good enough at putting them in
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EastbourneBlue
I just don’t think this is true. Most chances/shots in the league have we not?
Bogle has good chances today, Glatzel has missed loads. They’re just not good enough at putting them in
Have we really got the most chances/shots in the league? That is hugely surprising, it feels like we create very little. In that case I point you towards AfricanBluebird's point
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delmbox
If you were the best manager in the world you'd figure out a way of getting them the ball
Bogle had plenty of the ball.
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delmbox
Have we really got the most chances/shots in the league? That is hugely surprising, it feels like we create very little. In that case I point you towards AfricanBluebird's point
No we haven't. We've had 217 shots, less than Leeds, West Brom, Fulham and Barnsley. Our shot accuracy is 32.7% - the 11th best record in the division.
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G rangetown Blue
Bogle had plenty of the ball.
He had 5 attempts on goal. 2 on target, 2 off target and one shot was blocked. He won every aerial he went up for. (all according to whoscored.com)
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G rangetown Blue
Bogle had plenty of the ball.
I meant generally throughout the season(s)
We'll have to agree to disagree I think, I don't agree with you that Warnock is the best manager in the world
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I thought we did okay today after the opening 20 minutes or so and the first goal was vital.
We didn't have a lot of luck prior to them scoring and Etheridge didn't have much to save (although it must be said his distribution again wasn't great).
Trying to salvage something from the game with the limited resources we have never looked likely.
We have scraped points where perhaps we didn't deserve them but today was the opposite. What you gain on the swings you lose on the roundabouts.
Our play off chances are now looking very slim.
However, for people to be calling for Warnock to be sacked at this stage need to ask themselves what good that would do us.
It seems now that VT won't invest in any sort of challenge and therefore would not offer any new manager any kind of war chest.
The new manager would have to rely on what he has got, with perhaps the addition of a couple of loanees, for any short term success.
I reckon the only type of manager that we could attract would be another Russell Slade type.
My hope now is that Warnock can get the team to battle (I don't agree with some saying some weren't trying btw) and give the fans something to cheer.
We had better start getting used to mid table mediocrity, at best, for the foreseeable.
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MacAdder
However, for people to be calling for Warnock to be sacked at this stage need to ask themselves what good that would do us.
Give the new manager the rest of the season to mould a team in preparation for next season, rather than use next season as a preparatory season.
Flip the question on its head - what good is it for our progress that Warnock has the rest of this season?
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
Give the new manager the rest of the season to mould a team in preparation for next season, rather than use next season as a preparatory season.
Flip the question on its head - what good is it for our progress that Warnock has the rest of this season?
We aren't out of the woods yet.
Our situation is not too dissimilar to when he arrived.
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Taffy Blue in Berkshire
We looked sh1te! Madine is a b1oody joke. Time for a big boot up the arse in all sections. In the space of a couple of weeks beaten by the Jacks and the Wurzels ffs:facepalm:
Unfair to single him out. The bloke came on very late in the game.
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Has Mr Bacuna ever been required to practice crosses. Nice hair no flair...... Today.
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MacAdder
We aren't out of the woods yet.
Our situation is not too dissimilar to when he arrived.
Says a lot for the club, then. 3 years and we're in the same situation as when he was appointed, yet you still want him here?
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MacAdder
I thought we did okay today after the opening 20 minutes or so and the first goal was vital.
We didn't have a lot of luck prior to them scoring and Etheridge didn't have much to save (although it must be said his distribution again wasn't great).
Trying to salvage something from the game with the limited resources we have never looked likely.
We have scraped points where perhaps we didn't deserve them but today was the opposite. What you gain on the swings you lose on the roundabouts.
Our play off chances are now looking very slim.
However, for people to be calling for Warnock to be sacked at this stage need to ask themselves what good that would do us.
It seems now that VT won't invest in any sort of challenge and therefore would not offer any new manager any kind of war chest.
The new manager would have to rely on what he has got, with perhaps the addition of a couple of loanees, for any short term success.
I reckon the only type of manager that we could attract would be another Russell Slade type.
My hope now is that Warnock can get the team to battle (I don't agree with some saying some weren't trying btw) and give the fans something to cheer.
We had better start getting used to mid table mediocrity, at best, for the foreseeable.
Surely the reason to change the manager is to halt the slide into mediocrity by restructuring the club throughout, so that the academy is aligned with the first team, with a consistent playing style throughout, which would enable us to produce our own players (surely the point of an academy) ?
This season is a write-off - with or without Warnock, so we might as well make the change now. All a new manager needs to achieve this season is keeping us in the division, whilst embedding a new structure that brings us into the 21st century.
Anything else would be a bonus.
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Eric the Half a Bee
Says a lot for the club, then. 3 years and we're in the same situation as when he was appointed, yet you still want him here?
I believe he came here to steady the ship.
Ship needs steadying.
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MacAdder
I believe he came here to steady the ship.
Ship needs steadying.
This time, it's mainly his fault the ship needs steadying. Very different 3 years ago.
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Originally Posted by
AlwaysAway2
Those players just were not good enough today.
Are they players who are accepting they are nearing the end of the carears , knowing their manager has announced his last season .
As someone famously sung were are " running on empty."
It would be apt to go now ,came in beating the Brizzies, leave now losing to them .
Era over.
Will always be grateful for his input.
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Eric the Half a Bee
This time, it's mainly his fault the ship needs steadying. Very different 3 years ago.
Difficult to disagree with that however we are where we are and Warnock is the best person to deal with the situation.
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MacAdder
Difficult to disagree with that however we are where we are and Warnock is the best person to deal with the situation.
That's like saying we should have kept Trollope as he was the best person to deal with the mess he had created.
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Eric the Half a Bee
This time, it's mainly his fault the ship needs steadying. Very different 3 years ago.
Or the owner for not having a frank conversation ??