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Fee agreed for Ozan Kabak.
According to this story anyway.
http://sportwitness.co.uk/cardiff-ci...er-fee-agreed/
Strange one this, but it's not going away.
Still not convinced there's anything to it mind.
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Re: Fee agreed for Ozan Kabak.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Fee agreed? Little bit naughty that- as it then says the fee agreed is actually just his release clause! So cardiff wouldnt have hadto speak to anyone to agree it.
Maybe im setting myself up for a 'mare- but this doesn't feel like this will go anywhere.
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Don’t believe it until Howells School has been alerted😂😂
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Maybe Agent trying to get an improved offer for his player or using us to get better deal ?
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Originally Posted by
billy.ronson
Maybe Agent trying to get an improved offer for his player or using us to get better deal ?
He's got a release clause and some bigger clubs apparently circling so I'd imagine Galatasaray would offer him a decent wedge to stay, I bet the agent is using us to try and drum up other offers.
This is one I'd like to see us make though, get players that have real potential and can grow, as opposed to players we know aren't good enough like Efe Ambrose.
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Re: Fee agreed for Ozan Kabak.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
Think signing a young CB is a good idea what with the age of ours and the fact they’ve been a bit shakey.
Personally I’ll be bricking it if either Bamba or Morrison get injured and we’ve got to stick Manga in there.
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Originally Posted by
EastbourneBlue
Think signing a young CB is a good idea what with the age of ours and the fact they’ve been a bit shakey.
Personally I’ll be bricking it if either Bamba or Morrison get injured and we’ve got to stick Manga in there.
Have you been watching Bamba and Morrison this season?
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
He's got a release clause and some bigger clubs apparently circling so I'd imagine Galatasaray would offer him a decent wedge to stay, I bet the agent is using us to try and drum up other offers.
This is one I'd like to see us make though, get players that have real potential and can grow, as opposed to players we know aren't good enough like Efe Ambrose.
It would be brilliant signing imo but just can't see it, I'd be very surprised if Warnock signs any foreign players tbh he likes British grafters
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Originally Posted by
jamieccfc
Have you been watching Bamba and Morrison this season?
Yeah, shakey. And still our Neil doesn’t put Manga in the middle. Tells you something
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Originally Posted by
EastbourneBlue
Yeah, shakey. And still our Neil doesn’t put Manga in the middle. Tells you something
We haven’t got a right back?
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Originally Posted by
EastbourneBlue
Yeah, shakey. And still our Neil doesn’t put Manga in the middle. Tells you something
The alternative would be Bamba or Morrison at right back, perish the thought, he trusts Manga to do a job under extreme circumstances. For players playing out of position Manga & Paterson are acquitting themselves well against the best players in the world. If we eventually get a right back, Manga would slot into the middle with no less success than the two who are there.
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Re: Fee agreed for Ozan Kabak.
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Originally Posted by
EastbourneBlue
Think signing a young CB is a good idea what with the age of ours and the fact they’ve been a bit shakey.
Personally I’ll be bricking it if either Bamba or Morrison get injured and we’ve got to stick Manga in there.
I think Manga has been our best defender this season.
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Originally Posted by
LeningradCowboy
I think Manga has been our best defender this season.
Agreed. I think RB closely followed by LB are our weakest defensive positions if we can include Manga as a CB.
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Originally Posted by
LeningradCowboy
I think Manga has been our best defender this season.
I disagree, he's all over the place
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
The alternative would be Bamba or Morrison at right back, perish the thought, he trusts Manga to do a job under extreme circumstances. For players playing out of position Manga & Paterson are acquitting themselves well against the best players in the world. If we eventually get a right back, Manga would slot into the middle with no less success than the two who are there.
That’s spot on.
Manga’s struggled at times, but he’s out of position against some of the best wingers in the world.
However, he has shown decent pace, an ability to turn quickly and is a lot more composed on the ball than the other 2 centre backs and in many ways has a shout for being a starting centre back in front of one of them.
I’d certainly be looking to get his contract extended- even if it’s just a clause to keep him if we stay up.
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Re: Fee agreed for Ozan Kabak.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
The alternative would be Bamba or Morrison at right back, perish the thought, he trusts Manga to do a job under extreme circumstances. For players playing out of position Manga & Paterson are acquitting themselves well against the best players in the world. If we eventually get a right back, Manga would slot into the middle with no less success than the two who are there.
It shouldn’t have come to having to play Manga, Morrison or Bamba at right back.
Why sign another left back that was no better than the one we had when we clearly needed a right back?
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
It shouldn’t have come to having to play Manga, Morrison or Bamba at right back.
Why sign another left back that was no better than the one we had when we clearly needed a right back?
Totally agree with this. Warnock must have known it was an issue last year, as Manga player there for the majority of the season and didn’t always look comfortable in the championship.
Why he didn’t sign a right back in the summer is bewildering, as Manga has clear limitations there, Peltier is solid defensively but is limited on the ball and Jazz is just always injured.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
It shouldn’t have come to having to play Manga, Morrison or Bamba at right back.
Why sign another left back that was no better than the one we had when we clearly needed a right back?
We did need cover for Bennett as well.
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Originally Posted by
LeningradCowboy
We did need cover for Bennett as well.
Not at the expense of a right back we didn’t. Priorities were all wrong.
Signed a left back for cover, and a number 10 (Reid) when we don’t even play with a number 10. You think we’d have learned our lesson from Tomlin last season.
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Re: Fee agreed for Ozan Kabak.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Not at the expense of a right back we didn’t. Priorities were all wrong.
Signed a left back for cover, and a number 10 (Reid) when we don’t even play with a number 10. You think we’d have learned our lesson from Tomlin last season.
Agree. We keep getting told we had the lowest budget by a mile. Weve got Smithies not playing at all as well.
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Hilts
Agree. We keep getting told we had the lowest budget by a mile. Weve got Smithies not playing at all as well.
Exactly. The lowest budget and more or less wasted all of it. The 2 best players signed are only loans.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Not at the expense of a right back we didn’t. Priorities were all wrong.
Signed a left back for cover, and a number 10 (Reid) when we don’t even play with a number 10. You think we’d have learned our lesson from Tomlin last season.
Bennett was the only left back in the squad, so we did need the cover. I think that Reid was a far more unnecessary signing.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
It shouldn’t have come to having to play Manga, Morrison or Bamba at right back.
Why sign another left back that was no better than the one we had when we clearly needed a right back?
We needed another left back. Bennett is decent, but if he’s injured we would be buggered. Last season we ended up with Connolly and Peltier playing there, both of whom looked more out of place than Manga has against far weaker opponents.
However..
It shouldn’t have been one or the other.
Easy to say with hindsight but
I would have saved some of the Reid money if Tan wasn’t up to shelling another £4-£5m on a half decent right back . Pilkington could have had as much impact as Reid has had so far ( not that I’m blaming Reid)
Hasn’t helped that Richards is never fit, but he’s limited too. Reminds me of Taylor, doesn’t stop the cross and has to pass backwards when he crosses half way.
It would be so nice to have some real quality in there... and pace, please, some pace.
Personally I liked Fabio, quick, skilful and brave. Just a bit mad and positionally naive .
Would have been interesting if he was still here,
Or McNaughton, great tackler, solid and quick. Not so good going forward.
We’ve not really been blessed in the fullback spots in the last 20 years or so.
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Originally Posted by
LeningradCowboy
Bennett was the only left back in the squad, so we did need the cover. I think that Reid was a far more unnecessary signing.
Just ruined my 200 word post by summing it up in 2 sentences 😂
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J R Hartley
Exactly. The lowest budget and more or less wasted all of it. The 2 best players signed are only loans.
In fairness - we’d be lucky to get either of those for less than what we paid for our permanent signings.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Exactly. The lowest budget and more or less wasted all of it. The 2 best players signed are only loans.
It does concern me that our best signings over the last few years have been free transfers or loans and it's not as if we haven't spent any money.
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Lawnmower
In fairness - we’d be lucky to get either of those for less than what we paid for our permanent signings.
Arter we could have got for what we paid for Murphy or Reid IMO. Wether Arter would have come here on a permanent last summer is another matter. I think maybe he wanted to get away on loan and play himself back into Howes thoughts. Can’t see it now though and I think he’d jump at the chance to sign permanently. That Lamar who Bournemouth signed to replace him has been excellent and so I think he knows his time there is up.
Camarasa too when he was an unknown quantity. I think we could have got him for 10m or so as unknown foreign signings are cheaper. Especially off European clubs who are not that well off and welcome a slice of the Premier League money.
The risk with loaning foreigners instead of permanent is if they do the business and prove themselves in this country then they put themselves in the shop window, and / or their price goes up. If we don’t make him permanent in January and we manage to stav up I don’t think we could afford him in the summer. I think we’d be talking 20m then.
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LeningradCowboy
It does concern me that our best signings over the last few years have been free transfers or loans and it's not as if we haven't spent any money.
Goes all the way back to Hannam.
We’ve done really well on the cheaper end, but most over £1m have been flops.
Best I can think of is we more or less got our money back in Medel and Caulker, although the latter was pretty poor for us and I think we made about £2m on Mutch.
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
Arter we could have got for what we paid for Murphy or Reid IMO. Wether Arter would have come here on a permanent last summer is another matter. I think maybe he wanted to get away on loan and play himself back into Howes thoughts. Can’t see it now though and I think he’d jump at the chance to sign permanently. That Lamar who Bournemouth signed to replace him has been excellent and so I think he knows his time there is up.
Camarasa too when he was an unknown quantity. I think we could have got him for 10m or so as unknown foreign signings are cheaper. Especially off European clubs who are not that well off and welcome a slice of the Premier League money.
The risk with loaning foreigners instead of permanent is if they do the business and prove themselves in this country then they put themselves in the shop window, and / or their price goes up. If we don’t make him permanent in January and we manage to stav up I don’t think we could afford him in the summer. I think we’d be talking 20m then.
Neither will commit to us until they are sure we will stay up.
Artur has pretty much said this himself.
Camerasa will have better clubs than us after him and Betis didn’t want to sell. He’s already been rated at E15m which some are saying is his release clause. If it goes to £20m then there will still be clubs willing to pay it if he keeps his form up
It would be some magic to get him to sign for us at this point with probably a less than 50% chance of staying up.
TheSpanish clubs have wised up to Prem teams getting their players on the cheap.
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If Connolly had been included in the 25 then he could have provided cover across the defence.
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RichardM
If Connolly had been included in the 25 then he could have provided cover across the defence.
Connolly is in the 25
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Re: Fee agreed for Ozan Kabak.
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RichardM
If Connolly had been included in the 25 then he could have provided cover across the defence.
:facepalm:
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Originally Posted by
J R Hartley
It shouldn’t have come to having to play Manga, Morrison or Bamba at right back.
Why sign another left back that was no better than the one we had when we clearly needed a right back?
That’s not Manga’s fault though is it, it was stated that the poster would be bricking it if Manga was moved into the middle. We were short there so it did come to a decision to play a makeshift there & Manga was landed with the thankless task. Fair play to him I say, he’d be no worse, in fact most probably a lot better than both Bamba & Morrison should he be moved inside.
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as JRH said :facepalm:
Anyway. Connolly has been awful every time I've seen him play left back
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RichardM
as JRH said :facepalm:
Anyway. Connolly has been awful every time I've seen him play left back
Absolutely, worse full back than Manga . He's a decent central defender .
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Originally Posted by
Pedro de la Rosa
That's disappointing. He was the one player out of all the players we've been linked with that I thought may be worth a punt
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Originally Posted by
thehumblegringo
That's disappointing. He was the one player out of all the players we've been linked with that I thought may be worth a punt
And if Stuttgart's record in the transfer market is anything to go by, he'll come good.
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Pedro de la Rosa
And if Stuttgart's record in the transfer market is anything to go by, he'll come good.
Nantes? Stuttgart? What next, Xiamen and Lugansk?
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Rjk
Nantes? Stuttgart? What next, Xiamen and Lugansk?
Should have the brothers off Twin Towns doing our transfer negotiations.......erm, cancel that, they’re JBs!!