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Meeting with Club Tonight
Just heard on the grapevine that there is a meeting with the club tonight on the subject of season tickets. The Trust, Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters Group are invited. Invite only went out today so not a lot of notice. It will be interesting to hear about what the club's plans are for managing the situation if Season Ticket sales exceed capacity.
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Are we even likely to reach that point?
Not sure of the current ST position but with the red seats tier available , if needed, then do the club not have more than enough seats to cover anticipated demand.
A nice problem to have though if there is that concern a# I can remember our average crowds being pitiful that that long ago.
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Majorblue
Are we even likely to reach that point?
Not sure of the current ST position but with the red seats tier available , if needed, then do the club not have more than enough seats to cover anticipated demand.
A nice problem to have though if there is that concern a# I can remember our average crowds being pitiful that that long ago.
As it stands under Duckford, there will not be enough seats/space, to accommodate all season ticket holders , if they all renew
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Hopefully be an update on the Bale transfer. 😁
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BLUETIT
As it stands under Duckford, there will not be enough seats/space, to accommodate all season ticket holders , if they all renew
Of course, I had completely forgotten about the possibility of restrictions being in place.
Back of the class for me.
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William Treseder
Hopefully be an update on the Bale transfer.
Hopefully!! Hopefully!! I’m fully expecting Gareth to be there, why wouldn’t he? It’s his future and a possible springboard to football immortality. Bloody update ha ha ha!
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Majorblue
Are we even likely to reach that point?
Not sure of the current ST position but with the red seats tier available , if needed, then do the club not have more than enough seats to cover anticipated demand.
A nice problem to have though if there is that concern a# I can remember our average crowds being pitiful that that long ago.
Not quite sure what you are on about there with the pitiful description. Our average attendance hasn't been under 15000 since 2007/2008 season and in eight of the last eleven seasons (not including 2020/2021 covid) has been over 20000. We sold 14000 season tickets last season when there was little chance of anyone actually going and over 16000 the season before, after relegation.
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dml1954
Not quite sure what you are on about there with the pitiful description. Our average attendance hasn't been under 15000 since 2007/2008 season and in eight of the last eleven seasons (not including 2020/2021 covid) has been over 20000. We sold 14000 season tickets last season when there was little chance of anyone actually going and over 16000 the season before, after relegation.
Surely it all boils down to how you define "not that long ago"? From personal experience, the older you get, the greater the time that term means - you mention 2007/08, well, at my age, you could go back another ten years to 97/98 and I would consider it not that long ago. In 1997/98, our average home league attendance was 3,610 - I'd say that qualifies as pitiful.
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You are quite right in your summary Bob.
However, in fairness to the poster who pulled me up quite what the circumstances of another era have to do with the current position in respect of ticket sales is a complete mystery to me this morning.
I respectfully withdraw.:facepalm:
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Did the meeting go ahead?
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The meeting went ahead apparently. Limit of 13000 crowd and it looks like a ballot for every game to see who attends. So a straight ballot could mean that one fan could get to see every game and another fan could get to see no games, although statistically that is unlikely. There seem to be a myriad of problems of trying to get a fair system in place. For instance a family of four may normally go, but only two get picked out of the ballot, and one of those who missed out is the the person who drives them all to the game! So a ballot is the easiest way to deal with the issue.
It will also be interesting to see how many season tickets we sell this year. I reckon it will be well down on previous seasons, as some will not want to risk being in crowds and others may have lost interest over last season. So if we had , say, 13000 season ticket every season ticket holder would be able to attend. I believe 1.5 metre social distancing would come in to effect , but the WAG are looking to reduce that to 1 metre. Credit would be given to any fans with a season ticket who miss matches, put towards the following seasons' ticket.
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cardiff55
The meeting went ahead apparently. Limit of 13000 crowd and it looks like a ballot for every game to see who attends. So a straight ballot could mean that one fan could get to see every game and another fan could get to see no games, although statistically that is unlikely. There seem to be a myriad of problems of trying to get a fair system in place. For instance a family of four may normally go, but only two get picked out of the ballot, and one of those who missed out is the the person who drives them all to the game! So a ballot is the easiest way to deal with the issue.
It will also be interesting to see how many season tickets we sell this year. I reckon it will be well down on previous seasons, as some will not want to risk being in crowds and others may have lost interest over last season. So if we had , say, 13000 season ticket every season ticket holder would be able to attend. I believe 1.5 metre social distancing would come in to effect , but the WAG are looking to reduce that to 1 metre. Credit would be given to any fans with a season ticket who miss matches, put towards the following seasons' ticket.
Thanks for this - will people be asked to submit for a ballot for every game or will it rely on people handing back tickets for games they can't go to if its an automatic ballot for every game?
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cardiff55
The meeting went ahead apparently. Limit of 13000 crowd and it looks like a ballot for every game to see who attends. So a straight ballot could mean that one fan could get to see every game and another fan could get to see no games, although statistically that is unlikely. There seem to be a myriad of problems of trying to get a fair system in place. For instance a family of four may normally go, but only two get picked out of the ballot, and one of those who missed out is the the person who drives them all to the game! So a ballot is the easiest way to deal with the issue.
It will also be interesting to see how many season tickets we sell this year. I reckon it will be well down on previous seasons, as some will not want to risk being in crowds and others may have lost interest over last season. So if we had , say, 13000 season ticket every season ticket holder would be able to attend. I believe 1.5 metre social distancing would come in to effect , but the WAG are looking to reduce that to 1 metre. Credit would be given to any fans with a season ticket who miss matches, put towards the following seasons' ticket.
Not ideal for those who share lifts from far-off parts of the country with one other person (like me) but it must be a nightmare for the club to try and adopt any scheme whatsoever in the circumstances. And it would be unfortunate if we can't give up our place to others if we can't make a game.
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Originally Posted by
cardiff55
The meeting went ahead apparently. Limit of 13000 crowd and it looks like a ballot for every game to see who attends. So a straight ballot could mean that one fan could get to see every game and another fan could get to see no games, although statistically that is unlikely. There seem to be a myriad of problems of trying to get a fair system in place. For instance a family of four may normally go, but only two get picked out of the ballot, and one of those who missed out is the the person who drives them all to the game! So a ballot is the easiest way to deal with the issue.
It will also be interesting to see how many season tickets we sell this year. I reckon it will be well down on previous seasons, as some will not want to risk being in crowds and others may have lost interest over last season. So if we had , say, 13000 season ticket every season ticket holder would be able to attend. I believe 1.5 metre social distancing would come in to effect , but the WAG are looking to reduce that to 1 metre. Credit would be given to any fans with a season ticket who miss matches, put towards the following seasons' ticket.
Don’t understand this given all restrictions are due to be lifted?
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EastbourneBlue
Don’t understand this given all restrictions are due to be lifted?
That’s Ingurlund, Duckford hasn’t informed us what his dictatorship is doing
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EastbourneBlue
Don’t understand this given all restrictions are due to be lifted?
That's as it currently stands. Wales is currently still insisting on social distancing, so hopefully by the time the season starts things will change.
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Taunton Blue Genie
Not ideal for those who share lifts from far-off parts of the country with one other person (like me) but it must be a nightmare for the club to try and adopt any scheme whatsoever in the circumstances. And it would be unfortunate if we can't give up our place to others if we can't make a game.
Apparently the club are asking the CCSC and Trust to be involved and come up with a solution. But whatever approach is taken it will not please all people. I suppose ST holders will have priority and there will be no other tickets sold as it stands?
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BLUETIT
As it stands under Duckford, there will not be enough seats/space, to accommodate all season ticket holders , if they all renew
A solution would be to stream the games, to keep people interested.
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Sounds a bit awkward. I have two young teens who get season tickets along with myself so there's a chance that i won't get picked in this ballot for a few games but they will? :facepalm:
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BLUETIT
That’s Ingurlund, Duckford hasn’t informed us what his dictatorship is doing
f**k me you're a drama queen
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BLUETIT
That’s Ingurlund, Duckford hasn’t informed us what his dictatorship is doing
All roads to be broken up and replaced with single lane dirt tracks ,and astro turf bike lanes
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f**k me you're a drama queen
Thank you :thumbup: I do try to entertain :hehe:
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delmbox
f**k me you're a drama queen
It's no surprise that the loudest people throwing their toys out of the pram and making dictatorship like references towards the uk governments for the last year or so are from the worst generation to exist.
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cardiff55
That's as it currently stands. Wales is currently still insisting on social distancing, so hopefully by the time the season starts things will change.
Surely Wales won’t be far behind England on the removal of all distancing etc? 19th is the end of it by the sounds of it
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life on mars
All roads to be broken up and replaced with single lane dirt tracks ,and astro turf bike lanes
Lytton's (Canada) average June temperature is 24C. Yesterday it was 47.5!
And a thread on "Hotter than the human body can handle: Pakistan city with world’s highest temperatures: https://twitter.com/i/events/1409526197537681412"
Next crisis is already known about and now case of who takes what action.
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f**k me you're a drama queen
I find this helps ! :hehe:
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surge
Lytton's (Canada) average June temperature is 24C. Yesterday it was 47.5!
And a thread on "Hotter than the human body can handle: Pakistan city with world’s highest temperatures: https://twitter.com/i/events/1409526197537681412"
Next crisis is already known about and now case of who takes what action.
Global air conditioning is the answer ,and banning farting
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Back on topic, a ballot could be a nightmare for me and my lads.
3 ST holders for many years, but I'm disabled and an oldie, so I get a free helper
One son lives close to me, so picks me up (I'm medically DQ) and picks up my other son on the way - who is my "designated helper".
Obviously we sit in 3 adjacent seats.
How wil a ballot help us?
We all meet regularly so we've been in close contact - so I could understand social distancing from 'outsiders', but separate the three of us? Crazy.
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Someone said a 13,000 capacity? correct me if i'm wrong, but i'd bet that if anyone buys a season ticket then they've got a fantastic chance of watching the games live. How many ST's are the club expecting to sell?
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This message has just been sent out to Trust members;-
"Meeting with the Club 28 June : Trust Chair Keith Morgan reports on proposals in relation to season tickets
On Monday 28 June the Supporters Trust together with the Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters Group were invited at very short notice to meet with club officials to discuss season tickets.
The meeting was very much a preliminary one prior to subsequent meetings that will go into the details of any proposals.
The club outlined the current position regarding permissible capacity in the stadium. The Wales-Albania international on 5 June was a test event approved by the Welsh Government which was successful in terms of processes of allowing fans into CCS. That event had a capacity of 6,500 based on 1.5 metre social distancing. Moving to 1 metre social distancing in the stadium was a realistic and future possibility. This would require further test events and subsequent reporting to demonstrate the effectiveness of the club's approved processes. A move to 1 metre social distancing within the stadium would lead to higher capacities which would be higher if supporters attended with family and friends in groups instead of 1s and 2s.
The critical issue is the allocation of matchday tickets to season ticket holders in the light of social distancing requirements and, importantly, if season tickets sold exceed maximum permitted capacity.
The club stated that they had spoken to 15 English EFL and Premier League Clubs as to how they approached this problem towards the end of last season when English clubs were allowed to admit fans to their stadia. They also noted how both Newport County and Swansea City were able to admit fans for their play-off games. The majority of clubs consulted used a ballot system to allocate tickets. The view of the meeting was that this was the fairest option but the specific details of the scheme would need to be discussed in detail. The club let us have sight of a scheme for balloting in use at other clubs which would form the basis for future discussion. It contained provisions to ensure season ticket holders would not lose out financially if unsuccessful in a draw. Priority would also be given in a subsequent draw to unsuccessful applicants in a previous draw. However, these are only headlines as the details of proposed processes will be subject to further discussion.
The club also referred to a Supporters Code of Conduct, necessary in the context of Covid, on which they would consult Supporters Groups.
The club committed themselves to further detailed consultation and the Trust will keep you informed of further meetings and seek your views accordingly
Keith Morgan
Chair"
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the other bob wilson
This message has just been sent out to Trust members;-
"Meeting with the Club 28 June : Trust Chair Keith Morgan reports on proposals in relation to season tickets
On Monday 28 June the Supporters Trust together with the Supporters Club and Disabled Supporters Group were invited at very short notice to meet with club officials to discuss season tickets.
The meeting was very much a preliminary one prior to subsequent meetings that will go into the details of any proposals.
The club outlined the current position regarding permissible capacity in the stadium. The Wales-Albania international on 5 June was a test event approved by the Welsh Government which was successful in terms of processes of allowing fans into CCS. That event had a capacity of 6,500 based on 1.5 metre social distancing. Moving to 1 metre social distancing in the stadium was a realistic and future possibility. This would require further test events and subsequent reporting to demonstrate the effectiveness of the club's approved processes. A move to 1 metre social distancing within the stadium would lead to higher capacities which would be higher if supporters attended with family and friends in groups instead of 1s and 2s.
The critical issue is the allocation of matchday tickets to season ticket holders in the light of social distancing requirements and, importantly, if season tickets sold exceed maximum permitted capacity.
The club stated that they had spoken to 15 English EFL and Premier League Clubs as to how they approached this problem towards the end of last season when English clubs were allowed to admit fans to their stadia. They also noted how both Newport County and Swansea City were able to admit fans for their play-off games. The majority of clubs consulted used a ballot system to allocate tickets. The view of the meeting was that this was the fairest option but the specific details of the scheme would need to be discussed in detail. The club let us have sight of a scheme for balloting in use at other clubs which would form the basis for future discussion. It contained provisions to ensure season ticket holders would not lose out financially if unsuccessful in a draw. Priority would also be given in a subsequent draw to unsuccessful applicants in a previous draw. However, these are only headlines as the details of proposed processes will be subject to further discussion.
The club also referred to a Supporters Code of Conduct, necessary in the context of Covid, on which they would consult Supporters Groups.
The club committed themselves to further detailed consultation and the Trust will keep you informed of further meetings and seek your views accordingly
Keith Morgan
Chair"
Why don't the club just sell the allocated amount of season tickets, then adapt as the rules change.
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the other bob wilson
Surely it all boils down to how you define "not that long ago"? From personal experience, the older you get, the greater the time that term means - you mention 2007/08, well, at my age, you could go back another ten years to 97/98 and I would consider it not that long ago. In 1997/98, our average home league attendance was 3,610 - I'd say that qualifies as pitiful.
Thanks for getting involved on behalf of the other poster and trying to be clever on his behalf. To most people stating ‘not that long ago’ would certainly involve a period of less than 13 years ago and probably less than 10. I get rather fed up of people continually denigrating the level of our support, especially since we moved to the new stadium, as in my opinion it has been nothing short of excellent. Also, when deciding what is pitiful, surely it has to be taken into account what level the club is competing in - in 1997/1998 we were in the fourth tier (League 3) and struggling badly, so perhaps an average of 3610 was not that bad in the circumstances.
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Tuerto
Why don't the club just sell the allocated amount of season tickets, then adapt as the rules change.
Stop suggesting simple solutions :hehe:
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Tuerto
Why don't the club just sell the allocated amount of season tickets, then adapt as the rules change.
Absolutely.
I buy a season ticket though I'm 5k miles away. I usually get to maybe 4 or 5 games a season. The ballot option appears crass and unfair. Scenario - I shell out $1k+ for a flight back to find I can't use my seat though I've bought a season ticket. Idiocy.
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az city
Absolutely.
I buy a season ticket though I'm 5k miles away. I usually get to maybe 4 or 5 games a season. The ballot option appears crass and unfair. Scenario - I shell out $1k+ for a flight back to find I can't use my seat though I've bought a season ticket. Idiocy.
How is it idiocy ? They will actually tell you well in advance if you have been successful in the ballot, not expect people to just turn up on the day and be turned away at the turnstiles !! What other way is there of doing it anyway. Suggestions on a postcard.
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az city
Absolutely.
I buy a season ticket though I'm 5k miles away. I usually get to maybe 4 or 5 games a season. The ballot option appears crass and unfair. Scenario - I shell out $1k+ for a flight back to find I can't use my seat though I've bought a season ticket. Idiocy.
To be honest mate, and I apologise to Mr Tan here, but don't buy a season ticket this year :sherlock:
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dml1954
How is it idiocy ? They will actually tell you well in advance if you have been successful in the ballot, not expect people to just turn up on the day and be turned away at the turnstiles !! What other way is there of doing it anyway. Suggestions on a postcard.
Yet if family groups attend, the attendance can be larger as there will less social distancing required.
ST rotation for me , ballot seems absolute fraught with problems, so a family of four may only get 1 ticket in a ballot.
Not difficult to work out a rotation based on family groups etc.
The club have these addresses.
Sure fire way of limiting season ticket sales would be balloting each game
Why would you purchase season tickets for your family if you have no possibilty of attending together.
Looks like the club are doing the easy option
Rethink needed
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dml1954
Thanks for getting involved on behalf of the other poster and trying to be clever on his behalf. To most people stating ‘not that long ago’ would certainly involve a period of less than 13 years ago and probably less than 10. I get rather fed up of people continually denigrating the level of our support, especially since we moved to the new stadium, as in my opinion it has been nothing short of excellent. Also, when deciding what is pitiful, surely it has to be taken into account what level the club is competing in - in 1997/1998 we were in the fourth tier (League 3) and struggling badly, so perhaps an average of 3610 was not that bad in the circumstances.
Well that certainly told me - i know now exactly what "not that long ago" means :hehe:.
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dml1954
How is it idiocy ? They will actually tell you well in advance if you have been successful in the ballot, not expect people to just turn up on the day and be turned away at the turnstiles !! What other way is there of doing it anyway. Suggestions on a postcard.
Does "well in advance" mean for the entire season well before it begins? If not, it isn't enough warning. Buying an air ticket with less than say a month or two of notice is very expensive. And this is Cardiff City, I bet the ballot would be weekly before games.
Other possible methods:
-ballot for season tickets if they are oversubscribed
-only sell single game tickets on a first come, first served basis
There are numerous more sensible options than an arbitrary ballot.
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Its a difficult one and plenty will be unhappy whatever the solution.
Im just not getting one. Resigned to not watching City untill 2022/2023.