Laughable.
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Laughable.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39709322
It is laughable.
Just goes to show what a sad world we live in.
cretin. id like to give him a fecking slap
I'm guessing if i said that in work and anyone complained I'd be disciplined
It was the only right outcome. You can't got around saying things like that to anyone, especially when you're being filmed by national media, regardless of gender.
The main thing is she didn't complain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
This is entirely down to media coverage and faux outrage over a man making a joke with a women.
Are you joking?. :frown:Quote:
Originally Posted by itkman
I mean, people would be being fired all day every day if this we started disciplining employees over harmless jokes.
I'm not sure what line of work you are in, but if I was giving a formal presentation and threatened to slap someone for asking a difficult question I'm quite sure I'd need to explain myself to my boss shortly afterwards.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Even if i had a joke with a woman in work and they didn't complain, but someone else did i would be disciplined.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
I guess in her job there would be quite a lot of pressure on a female reporter not to complain about this sort of thing even if she was offended.
I don't think Moyes is sexist, but he's an idiot. I doubt any of the rest of us would make such a comment in such a public forum.
Is it only a problem if the person its aimed at complains? What if they feel like they can't raise it because they fear the sack if they do? I'm not saying that's the case here but you don't have to think hard to imagine places where it might be. Is it not ok for someone else to speak up on their behalf?Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Only post match interviews in football are not formal, at all. Moyes is not making a formal presentation to customers or shareholders, he is doing an off the cuff interview.Quote:
Originally Posted by itkman
And often interviewer make jokes.
He apologised. That was sufficient methinks.
Yes definitely. Otherwise some will be taken advantage of.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
But this, it is just nothing. The fact remains that if he'd said it to a man nothing would've been made of it.
The equivalent in my day to day life would be me being disciplined for making a joke with a fedex driver or something :hehe: Really I am in work, I should be formal and professional, but I assure you the communications are not!.
So if we want to pick on someone, we should make sure it's someone who can't fight back.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Not really sure what you mean.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
He even clarifies that he is all for equality. Both sexes will get a slap.
He was also representing his employer and profession in front of the national & world media.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
It's not a difficult concept, why do you think companies have HR departments? If your boss is making what he thinks is great bantz but is actually upsetting and a colleague goes to HR to let them know, it doesn't make the complaint less valid because you didn't do it yourself. Or if you feel that you have too much to lose so grudgingly put up with it, does that make the boss's behaviour ok?Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Gender has nothing to do what I'm saying.
Lets be honest morals and football went out the window many moons ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by itkman
Managers treat officials like dirt to no outcry or punishment.
Professionals in name only.
It was a joke. A pretty bad one but still.
It would be like me taking it upon myself to go to HR when someone took someones favourite parking spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Gender might not be why you are commenting now but the reason for the coverage is entirely because of gender.
There's not much to argue over. I agree with what you've said. But in this case there was no malice behind it.
This^ , I wouldn't have complained either, not unless I thought it was a genuine threat, I would have just laughed at him, if other people complained then they should mind their own business imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
I'm imagining the same scenario on here, someone says something considered inappropriate to me, I laugh about it but other people report the post, what should admin do in that situation? I would feel pretty bad if someone got banned over something I was not even bothered about, I imagine that woman is feeling pretty awkward right now and a tad patronised.
Seek you out and give you a damn good slapping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
I'm totally against slapping women - except when they deserve to be slapped, of course.
A storm in a bra cup.
If the FA came down on serious offences they would have some credibility in this, but they don't.
http://www.ccmb.co.uk/image.php?u=53...8&type=profileMike! He's picking on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
Of course there was, he was trying to intimidate her into asking him nicer questions next time instead of doing her job. He tried to make it in what he thought was a jokey way but there's no question about what his intention.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Maybe this is the first time he's ever tried to influence a reporter, in which case he's very unlucky it was caught on tape. More likely is that he's done it before and the other journos who cover his matches are probably relieved.
People's jobs and careers is a bit different to anonymous posting on a messageboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
Stuff like this does my head in, people are becoming such big babies over trivial stuff.
For all the grief he got over this he might as well have actually slapped her.
It's blown out of proportion, and I realise the irony of me saying that after making about half a dozen posts in this thread, but having worked with bullies who think they're above punishment and can get away with passive-agressive intimidation, I think the minimal grief he's had is justified.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colonel Cærdiffi
Though it's the 'she didn't complain' comments that I mainly disagree with.
Interpret it however you want if it'll prove your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
Much like managers swearing and pushing officials every ten seconds, trying to influence them.
Do never see reporters line of questioning as an attempt to intimidate?. To make managers collapse under the pressure. They hold nothing back at times.
What if he'd said "clip round the ear" to a male journalist? Nobody would have batted an eye over it.Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
This is less about improper conduct or bullying and more about the fact that someone had the temerity to say the words "slap" and "woman" in the same sentence.
I think that's what they call 'mansplaining' :hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by lardy
You knows you luves it:---Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UP7FR2JAKM
:hehe::hehe:
i think the real issue here is, nobody has charged the people who say " if he`d been offered 1-1 at the start he would`ve ripped his arm off" .
I do prefer the banter environment if I'm honest, I have always been like that though, the djing world is mostly men too so I'm used to it, perhaps that's why I see things like I do, I can also see where Lardy is coming from though after thinking about it a bit more, there are probably many people who might not complain or stick up for themselves so it's good to know that there are people who would step in and defend them when needed, I just don't think it was needed on this occasion.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
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Originally Posted by Mrs Steve R
I can just imagine the mouthful you give out if some cretin asks for this at the end of the night.
https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=agadoo&spf=386
:hehe::hehe:
Hey, this isn't the John Terry's Mum thread ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BLUETIT
david moyes is a ****ing slag
Or you might get a slap.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Well it was a silly comment to make, especially that "she will need to be careful next time she visits the stadium". She asked a legitimate question and his response was silly.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Alien
However, surely someone could have just had a word with him and asked him to apologize. What a waste of time and resources going through a formal charge process when it could have all been sorted with a quiet word. It's not like he's tweeting threats to North Korea