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Erol Bulut: Missed chances have once again cost us
The Bluebirds' manager bemoaned his side's inability to convert their chances in front of goal
https://nation.cymru/sport/cardiff-c...again-cost-us/
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“If you don’t score, it’s normal that at the end they get the second one because we were pushing to get the second one."
Call me a bit of a traditionist but wouldn't we have had to score one to push for the second?
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Etete missed an absolute sitter at 1-0. You could tell Rambo was pissed off.
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What does he means “chances”? We only had one. It was a bad miss, but I can’t remember any others we had.
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NYCBlue
Etete missed an absolute sitter at 1-0. You could tell Rambo was pissed off.
Still no striker in the door? Or did we? Did he play him?:shrug:
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the other bob wilson
What does he means “chances”? We only had one. It was a bad miss, but I can’t remember any others we had.
I think a better striker would have been in a better position and had a tap in for either Ramsey knock down, but other than that it’s a completely valid point.
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the other bob wilson
What does he means “chances”? We only had one. It was a bad miss, but I can’t remember any others we had.
xG has it at 0.13 to score from there, so maybe it was a more difficult chance than we think. Ramsey's header back across goal has bounced before Etete makes contact, so it's already rising. Any contact much below centre will send the ball over the bar. If he manages to make contact before it bounces it would surely fly in.
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surely getting a forward ought to have been top priority. we fanny around with other positions but you need to score goals to win games. the whole setup at City is a mess and stinks of incompetence. confidence must be shot to bits and frankly Bulut's comments won't help build moral which must be pretty low.
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Taffy Blue in Berkshire
surely getting a forward ought to have been top priority. we fanny around with other positions but you need to score goals to win games. the whole setup at City is a mess and stinks of incompetence. confidence must be shot to bits and frankly Bulut's comments won't help build moral which must be pretty low.
I think Bulut's public comments over the last few months, while they've been quite frank, can't have helped morale either.
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Eric the Half a Bee
I think Bulut's public comments over the last few months, while they've been quite frank, can't have helped morale either.
I think Bulut has lost the dressing room. Most players have gone downhill since October, they don't seem to be playing with any real enthusiasm.
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Every time I look at the team sheet and see Meite starting I’ve had a fifty on the other side
I know betting against your team goes against the grain but deep down I’m hoping Karma bites me on the arris but it never does
Starting Meite is like playing with ten men
He’s worse than Ojo
Lazy- can’t trap a ball - devoid of skill
I watched the West Brom game with West Brom commentators last night
They actually laughed when he had that solitary shot on I think 56 minutes which ended up flying past the corner flag
When Meite went down feigning injury the commentators remarked that the only thing injured was his ego
How right they were
The guys an embarrassment masquerading as a professional footballer
We’ve got no money
Give Ashford a run in the side
What have we got to lose???
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Mr Soul '68
I think Bulut has lost the dressing room. Most players have gone downhill since October, they don't seem to be playing with any real enthusiasm.
I wonder if that coincides with what appears to be Bulut losing faith with those in charge at the club?
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Originally Posted by
Sunnysideup
Every time I look at the team sheet and see Meite starting I’ve had a fifty on the other side
I know betting against your team goes against the grain but deep down I’m hoping Karma bites me on the arris but it never does
Starting Meite is like playing with ten men
He’s worse than Ojo
Lazy- can’t trap a ball - devoid of skill
I watched the West Brom game with West Brom commentators last night
They actually laughed when he had that solitary shot on I think 56 minutes which ended up flying past the corner flag
When Meite went down feigning injury the commentators remarked that the only thing injured was his ego
How right they were
The guys an embarrassment masquerading as a professional footballer
We’ve got no money
Give Ashford a run in the side
What have we got to lose???
I don't think it's fair to call Meite lazy- he's a big lump but he puts himself about- whether hes any good is a different matter- he's neither a proper striker nor a proper winger and he looks a bit lost much of the time.
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Originally Posted by
Citizen's Nephew
“If you don’t score, it’s normal that at the end they get the second one because we were pushing to get the second one."
Call me a bit of a traditionist but wouldn't we have had to score one to push for the second?
The second goal of the game, not Cardiff's second.
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D. Advocaat
I don't think it's fair to call Meite lazy- he's a big lump but he puts himself about- whether hes any good is a different matter- he's neither a proper striker nor a proper winger and he looks a bit lost much of the time.
I agree, unfortunately I think he’s the wrong side in terms of age and a lot of major injuries… he’s definitely a step slow and it shows in the number of silly fouls he gives away, but I wouldn’t call him lazy either. He’s trying out there as far as I can see.
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Originally Posted by
Sunnysideup
Every time I look at the team sheet and see Meite starting I’ve had a fifty on the other side
I know betting against your team goes against the grain but deep down I’m hoping Karma bites me on the arris but it never does
Starting Meite is like playing with ten men
He’s worse than Ojo
Lazy- can’t trap a ball - devoid of skill
I watched the West Brom game with West Brom commentators last night
They actually laughed when he had that solitary shot on I think 56 minutes which ended up flying past the corner flag
When Meite went down feigning injury the commentators remarked that the only thing injured was his ego
How right they were
The guys an embarrassment masquerading as a professional footballer
We’ve got no money
Give Ashford a run in the side
What have we got to lose???
He isn’t the best but would never say he’s lazy.
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RichardM
The second goal of the game, not Cardiff's second.
:thumbup: I did realise I'd jumped on that in a fit of disappointment and general peed-offness last night.
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Eric the Half a Bee
I wonder if that coincides with what appears to be Bulut losing faith with those in charge at the club?
I agree here. I do think Bulut has lost faith with those in charge of the club and would be extremely surprised if he was here next season. His attitude has definitely rubbed off on the players.
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2b2bdoo
He isn’t the best but would never say he’s lazy.
not lazy..but "not the best" is flattering. Meite is shit and his record says so...his performances are a good second opinion too
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Eric the Half a Bee
xG has it at 0.13 to score from there, so maybe it was a more difficult chance than we think. Ramsey's header back across goal has bounced before Etete makes contact, so it's already rising. Any contact much below centre will send the ball over the bar. If he manages to make contact before it bounces it would surely fly in.
What’s all this crap with xg? It’s a load of baloney and doesn’t mean a thing. You either score or you don’t. Friggin’ hell all this so-called malarkey is alien to anyone with normal intelligence.
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Cleve van Leef
What’s all this crap with xg? It’s a load of baloney and doesn’t mean a thing. You either score or you don’t. Friggin’ hell all this so-called malarkey is alien to anyone with normal intelligence.
He's our right back isn't he?
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Cleve van Leef
What’s all this crap with xg? It’s a load of baloney and doesn’t mean a thing. You either score or you don’t. Friggin’ hell all this so-called malarkey is alien to anyone with normal intelligence.
I was just using it to demonstrate it wasn't as easy a chance as many seem to think it was.
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Not one for ranting and raving between games...but this comment today takes the biscuit...
Erol Bulut: "We create a lot and we miss a lot. This is the problem. We have chances but we are missing a lot."
AM I missing something in the games I see? Create a lot??
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Eric the Half a Bee
I was just using it to demonstrate it wasn't as easy a chance as many seem to think it was.
No, even in real time watching from behind the goal, it wasn’t easy. But, professional strikers are professional strikers because they put away the difficult chances. Professional strikers are, obviously, in a pecking order, the ones who can put away the ‘impossible’ as well as the run of the mill are a rare breed and perform at the highest level, and so it goes on down the levels. We are competing at a very high level, not the top admittedly, but the Championship is not a mug’s division and our chances are at a minimum, chances like this one have to go in. Etete, God knows how, has found himself playing at a standard way above his capabilities.
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Maurice Swan
Not one for ranting and raving between games...but this comment today takes the biscuit...
Erol Bulut: "We create a lot and we miss a lot. This is the problem. We have chances but we are missing a lot."
AM I missing something in the games I see? Create a lot??
Maybe you're blinking at all the wrong moments.
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Originally Posted by
Eric the Half a Bee
xG has it at 0.13 to score from there, so maybe it was a more difficult chance than we think. Ramsey's header back across goal has bounced before Etete makes contact, so it's already rising. Any contact much below centre will send the ball over the bar. If he manages to make contact before it bounces it would surely fly in.
A Championship striker should not be ballooning that over the bar
He should be anticipating that header back from Ramsey and setting himself, instead his body position is all wrong and he ends up off balance, falling backwards and flinging his foot at it. It's poor.
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City123
A Championship striker should not be ballooning that over the bar
He should be anticipating that header back from Ramsey and setting himself, instead his body position is all wrong and he ends up off balance, falling backwards and flinging his foot at it. It's poor.
Perhaps we're looking at different things. When the cross comes in, Etete starts moving towards the back post, realises he can't get to it and, before Ramsey heads it back across, is already moving into space between two defenders, not after Ramsey has headed it. He's maybe (probably) even had a call from Rambo. The ball bounces before he is able to make contact with it and he gets underneath it to send it over the bar.
After Ramsey has headed it, Etete has had barely more than half a second to make contact of a ball that he doesn't know exactly where it will land or where it is aimed. I'd argue that he should have gone with his left foot to give him an extra few milliseconds, which might have made the difference. I agree his angle is wrong, but I think that's because he went for it right footed, which is his natural foot. It was a very sharp chance, one that relied on pure instinct. xG suggests a 1 in 7 chance and I agree.
I reckon someone like Chopra would have more than likely scored it, but comparing Etete with Chopra is a bit unfair.
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One of my comeback lines to those who blame our strikers for the team’s problems is to ask them to list the number of good chances they have missed. For me, the bigger problem is that we do not create the chances for the strikers to miss. However, I thought that was a bad miss by Etete on Tuesday and it was definitely one to go on that list I talked about.
In saying that, Diedhiou, a striker with a good scoring record at this level at Bristol City, has come in and played over ninety minutes for us and, from memory, has had just one wild shot from a long way out which flew miles wide. I would not be surprised if it was borne out of frustration because I think he may be still waiting for his first touch in the opposition penalty area, let alone something that remotely resembled a goal scoring chance.
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the other bob wilson
One of my comeback lines to those who blame our strikers for the team’s problems is to ask them to list the number of good chances they have missed. For me, the bigger problem is that we do not create the chances for the strikers to miss. However, I thought that was a bad miss by Etete on Tuesday and it was definitely one to go on that list I talked about.
In saying that, Diedhiou, a striker with a good scoring record at this level at Bristol City, has come in and played over ninety minutes for us and, from memory, has had just one wild shot from a long way out which flew miles wide. I would not be surprised if it was borne out of frustration because I think he may be still waiting for his first touch in the opposition penalty area, let alone something that remotely resembled a goal scoring chance.
again spot on :thumbup:
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You're probably more likely to snatch at a good chance if they're so few and far between.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
One of my comeback lines to those who blame our strikers for the team’s problems is to ask them to list the number of good chances they have missed. For me, the bigger problem is that we do not create the chances for the strikers to miss. However, I thought that was a bad miss by Etete on Tuesday and it was definitely one to go on that list I talked about.
In saying that, Diedhiou, a striker with a good scoring record at this level at Bristol City, has come in and played over ninety minutes for us and, from memory, has had just one wild shot from a long way out which flew miles wide. I would not be surprised if it was borne out of frustration because I think he may be still waiting for his first touch in the opposition penalty area, let alone something that remotely resembled a goal scoring chance.
When was the last time an opposition goalkeeper was forced to nake a good save from a City player? I can't remember one. In fact if I was managing a side playing Cardiff City I'd consider dispensing with a keeper altogether as the role is largely redundant.
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OK, so if and when we get battered at Norwich will someone up high give Bulut the welly? Players and fans have lost confidence yet this nonsense continues.
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Taffy Blue in Berkshire
OK, so if and when we get battered at Norwich will someone up high give Bulut the welly? Players and fans have lost confidence yet this nonsense continues.
"If"? That's a bit optimistic, I 'd just go with "when".
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RichardM
"If"? That's a bit optimistic, I 'd just go with "when".
It will be typical of Cardiff City to snatch a very unlikely draw and thus prolong the agony of Bulut. Bulut will come out with some Bulutsh*t saying "how well the new players have bonded" "how well the team trained during the week" etc etc etc. only for us to be played off the park in our next three games and suffer three embarrassing defeats V Blackburn & Stoke at home and the Wurzels away.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
One of my comeback lines to those who blame our strikers for the team’s problems is to ask them to list the number of good chances they have missed. For me, the bigger problem is that we do not create the chances for the strikers to miss. However, I thought that was a bad miss by Etete on Tuesday and it was definitely one to go on that list I talked about.
In saying that, Diedhiou, a striker with a good scoring record at this level at Bristol City, has come in and played over ninety minutes for us and, from memory, has had just one wild shot from a long way out which flew miles wide. I would not be surprised if it was borne out of frustration because I think he may be still waiting for his first touch in the opposition penalty area, let alone something that remotely resembled a goal scoring chance.
Bob, i don't think that anyone can argue with you over chances created, you're spot on with that. But one of my Comeback lines to those who just use the subject of chances created in order to defend our forward players, is that being a striker isn't just about goals, and i think that it is fair to say that the majority of people on here who have singled out Etete have not used one single issue like you have for the best part. They have (and correct me if i'm wrong) criticised his all round game, his hold up play, his movement, his ability to bring others in to play, his short play. Admittedly plenty of it has been crude and borderline insulting, which is wrong.
Players can show ability when things aren't going their way. They can show intelligence and they can show us that they possess the basic traits needed at this level. There's nothing to stop Etete taking a good touch, showing good movement etc. Unless that's the fault of the manager and the players around him as well.