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Alsop Delivering Again
He kept a few clean sheets for us ,
Catch hid one handed save today .
Decent keeper
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Just saw him make a save that was better than any he had done with us.
Hull look good but then Stoke offer absolutely nothing.
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I had no confidence in Alsopp.
How often do players improve when they go to different clubs.
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Armitage Shanks
I had no confidence in Alsopp.
How often do players improve when they go to different clubs.
Coaching
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Armitage Shanks
I had no confidence in Alsopp.
How often do players improve when they go to different clubs.
He almost took us down, Kaba saved him!
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Carl Dale's Mole
Just saw him make a save
That's a considerable improvement on last season.
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While he's only played 2 games for Hull so far, Allsop's form exceeds anything he's managed in his career so far. He has yet to manage a save percentage of 70% or more in the Championship over the course of a season, which would be roughly the top 10 percentages of a season. At the moment he's saved 9 out of 10 shots on target. Obviously that won't be maintained, but glad he's started well. The move has suited everyone.
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I thought this thread was going to be that someone had seen him out for DPD
would’ve surprised me less than him making saves
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Alsop is a decent keeper! he was just playing in a squad of sh**ters over thelast few seasons. put him in a decent squad and he'll be fine! can't blame him
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Dave St
Alsop is a decent keeper! he was just playing in a squad of sh**ters over thelast few seasons. put him in a decent squad and he'll be fine! can't blame him
Pretty much this.
Wasnt our best shot stopper ever but he wasn't the problem last season.
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Trigger
Pretty much this.
Wasnt our best shot stopper ever but he wasn't the problem last season.
He was definitely one of the problems.
I reckon we lose that game yesterday with Allsop in goal.
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Hilts
He was definitely one of the problems.
I reckon we lose that game yesterday with Allsop in goal.
100% we'd be bottom half he would have cost us 6 points less at least.
Buluts made some excellent decisions, binning him off was one of the most important.
Time will tell let's look at his stats after twenty games not two.
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Hilts
He was definitely one of the problems.
I reckon we lose that game yesterday with Allsop in goal.
I don't think Alnwick had any particularly challenging saves to make yesterday to be fair.
Alsop had 12 clean sheets last season, about mid table for the keepers.
Meanwhile we were second lowest scorers, this was clearly our biggest problem by far.
If Alnwick keeps 12 clean sheets with us scoring a lot more then we will be doing very well.
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Eric the Half a Bee
That's a considerable improvement on last season.
:hehe:
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North Cardiff Blue
100% we'd be bottom half he would have cost us 6 points less at least.
Buluts made some excellent decisions, binning him off was one of the most important.
Time will tell let's look at his stats after twenty games not two.
But Bulut didn't ‘bin him off’. Bulut himself said he wanted to go with three senior keepers this season but that Allsop wasn't happy with that and so asked for a transfer. Bulut also said he wouldn't stand in any players way, who didn't want to stay here. My take on Allsop was that he was a decent keeper. His saves actually saved us at least six points last season, without which we would have been relegated. Our oroblem last season wasnt that we let in too many goals, it was entirely that we didn't score enough - not Allsops fault.
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Got to be one our our worst keepers in a good while…..
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dml1954
But Bulut didn't ‘bin him off’. Bulut himself said he wanted to go with three senior keepers this season but that Allsop wasn't happy with that and so asked for a transfer. Bulut also said he wouldn't stand in any players way, who didn't want to stay here. My take on Allsop was that he was a decent keeper. His saves actually saved us at least six points last season, without which we would have been relegated. Our oroblem last season wasnt that we let in too many goals, it was entirely that we didn't score enough - not Allsops fault.
You are right about Bulut’s stance on Allsop - but he didn’t look too upset when Allsop (or his agent) pushed for a move away.
He was a poor shot stopper and I’m not convinced he was an organiser at the back.
His strengths were supposed to be coolness and competence playing out from the back and excellent distribution. He clearly had some of that but was he really much better than Alnwick - who also organises, controls his box and stops shots.
The best one stayed!
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dml1954
But Bulut didn't ‘bin him off’. Bulut himself said he wanted to go with three senior keepers this season but that Allsop wasn't happy with that and so asked for a transfer. Bulut also said he wouldn't stand in any players way, who didn't want to stay here. My take on Allsop was that he was a decent keeper. His saves actually saved us at least six points last season, without which we would have been relegated. Our oroblem last season wasnt that we let in too many goals, it was entirely that we didn't score enough - not Allsops fault.
How did you work out we were six points better off?
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PontBlue
How did you work out we were six points better off?
His friends in Sheffield told him.
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Alsop Delivering Again.he's got a job on the post.
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dml1954
But Bulut didn't ‘bin him off’. Bulut himself said he wanted to go with three senior keepers this season but that Allsop wasn't happy with that and so asked for a transfer. Bulut also said he wouldn't stand in any players way, who didn't want to stay here. My take on Allsop was that he was a decent keeper. His saves actually saved us at least six points last season, without which we would have been relegated. Our oroblem last season wasnt that we let in too many goals, it was entirely that we didn't score enough - not Allsops fault.
Let me get this right - any saves he made go down as points he gained for us, but the goals he shouldn't have let in, but did, don't count as point dropped because of him?
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Anyone know the xg equivalent for saving shots for allsop for last season?
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Answering my own question using football 365's methodology and fbref's stats he cost us 7.4 goals last season
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Using fbref it should be possible to work out if he saved or cost us points but with a score of minus 7.4 I doubt he saved us 6 points
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Eric the Half a Bee
Let me get this right - any saves he made go down as points he gained for us, but the goals he shouldn't have let in, but did, don't count as point dropped because of him?
Its not rocket science is it ? If he hadn't made the saves he did, we would have had six points less than we got but if, as you maintain, he let goals in that he should have saved, then any ‘lost points’ caused as a result are already included in our seasons points total. Net effect is that we would have got six points less and been relegated. My point therefore stands.
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PontBlue
Using fbref it should be possible to work out if he saved or cost us points but with a score of minus 7.4 I doubt he saved us 6 points
Well, firstly xG is a load of cobblers and means absolutely nothing but secondly he directly saved us two points in one game, when he saved a penalty in the last minute against Blackburn in October 2022, so I don't think it is doubtful that he saved us six over the season at all.
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dml1954
Its not rocket science is it ? If he hadn't made the saves he did, we would have had six points less than we got but if, as you maintain, he let goals in that he should have saved, then any ‘lost points’ caused as a result are already included in our seasons points total. Net effect is that we would have got six points less and been relegated. My point therefore stands.
So you are saying that if we played without a goalkeeper last season we would have been relegated? Got it!
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That's a very blinkered way of assessing players if you are going to ignore their mistakes and only focus on the good things they do but isn't a surprising approach from you
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PontBlue
How did you work out we were six points better off?
He saved that penalty in added time against Blackburn and he saved another one somewhere else (think it might have been Luton away, so that didn’t gain us anything if I’m right). Hard to see where the other four points came from though.
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dml1954
Its not rocket science is it ? If he hadn't made the saves he did, we would have had six points less than we got but if, as you maintain, he let goals in that he should have saved, then any ‘lost points’ caused as a result are already included in our seasons points total. Net effect is that we would have got six points less and been relegated. My point therefore stands.
Your point is nonsense. Take our 3-2 defeat to Hull City. It was a dire game but one where we were leading 2-1. Regan Slater hits a feeble shot from 25 yards which Allsop should have saved. It was well commented on in the match thread on this board and the attempt itself had an xG rating of 0.07. Whether you like xG or not, there's little doubt that the goal should have been prevented by Allsop. It was a game changing moment and they scored again 2 minutes later while we were licking our wounds. We could have won that hadn't it been for a goalkeeping cock up, so there's 3 points off your 6 just for starters.
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jon1959
You are right about Bulut’s stance on Allsop - but he didn’t look too upset when Allsop (or his agent) pushed for a move away.
He was a poor shot stopper and I’m not convinced he was an organiser at the back.
His strengths were supposed to be coolness and competence playing out from the back and excellent distribution. He clearly had some of that but was he really much better than Alnwick - who also organises, controls his box and stops shots.
The best one stayed!
Alnwick catches and punches the ball too, and you can see the defence is confident with him and get out of his way when he shouts to come off his line.
Allsop was terrible and stayed on his line and watched the ball fly in, the only time we had clean sheets was when we put 11 men behind the ball and stopped the other team from having any shots on target that weren't straight at Allsop.
Runnerson has made more impressive saves this season than Allsop did last season and he's only played two games.
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PontBlue
Answering my own question using football 365's methodology and fbref's stats he cost us 7.4 goals last season
A lot more than that in reality!
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Eric the Half a Bee
Your point is nonsense. Take our 3-2 defeat to Hull City. It was a dire game but one where we were leading 2-1. Regan Slater hits a feeble shot from 25 yards which Allsop should have saved. It was well commented on in the match thread on this board and the attempt itself had an xG rating of 0.07. Whether you like xG or not, there's little doubt that the goal should have been prevented by Allsop. It was a game changing moment and they scored again 2 minutes later while we were licking our wounds. We could have won that hadn't it been for a goalkeeping cock up, so there's 3 points off your 6 just for starters.
He certainly was at fault in certain matches but you also can't just rubbish the clean sheets he was a part of just because there wasn't some great save we remember.
He was a part of getting those points, particularly when our forward line could barely score in most matches. We relied heavily on the defence, him in included to scrape as many points as possible.
I prefer alnwick, but he should do better with both of covs goals last week. Slow for the first, limp wrist for the second. Allsop rightfully would have got shit for it.
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Disco Des
Coaching
In Allsop, aside from keeping him fit and sharp - the effect of coaching in 2 months on a player in his 30s is next to nothing.
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Trigger
He certainly was at fault in certain matches but you also can't just rubbish the clean sheets he was a part of just because there wasn't some great save we remember.
He was a part of getting those points, particularly when our forward line could barely score in most matches. We relied heavily on the defence, him in included to scrape as many points as possible.
He was a part of a crap side that was nearly relegated. I suppose we can look at some players and say they kept us up, but on the flip side of the coin, they were the reason we were down there in the first place. Allsop fits into that category for me.
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jon1959
So you are saying that if we played without a goalkeeper last season we would have been relegated? Got it!
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Eric the Half a Bee
He was a part of a crap side that was nearly relegated. I suppose we can look at some players and say they kept us up, but on the flip side of the coin, they were the reason we were down there in the first place. Allsop fits into that category for me.
You are right, Kaba, O'Dowda, McGuiness, Kipre and NG kept us up last year, the others chipped in a bit.
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I'm glad we've got Alnwick. There is zero doubt who is the better keeper for Cardiff City. Allsop might do well for Hull but he was absolutely horrendous by the end of the season.
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Might be way off the mark as I don’t know the man from Adam but I got the impression that he had quite a high opinion of himself.
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Pedro de la Rosa
I'm glad we've got Alnwick. There is zero doubt who is the better keeper for Cardiff City. Allsop might do well for Hull but he was absolutely horrendous by the end of the season.
Allsop was a weak keeper, he made saves, but they were weak saves on times. If he got a hand to the ball then it would invariably become a lottery on where it would end up, ensuing defensive scramble alert! Alnwick is stronger, more present.