What A Waste Of Money

From a report and Media DM


135,000 operations on the day, at a cost of £400 million in lost theatre time.

A third of these are for potentially avoidable clinical reasons, including patients unprepared for surgery or with unaddressed co-morbidities.

Centre for Perioperative Care (CPOC) wants the lists to be renamed as preparation list as part of thier study :
‘Blueprint for NHS efficiency’

Many drain the NHS and hinder its effecincies and performance through excessiveness, obiesty, smoking , drugs ,drink ,it seems a tad unfair andvsad when one loses a relative or friend who lead healthy lives or care is effected in this way .

What?

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Originally Posted by jon1959

What?

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Let me translate.

If you don't look after yourself perfectly in every way and need health care , its your own fault and you shouldn't be making a nuisance of yourself on the NHS.

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Originally Posted by Jimmy the Jock

Let me translate.

If you don't look after yourself perfectly in every way and need health care , its your own fault and you shouldn't be making a nuisance of yourself on the NHS.

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Indeed

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Originally Posted by life on mars

Indeed

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So, if someone injures themselves at work through carelessness, sod them, let them suffer?

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Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee

So, if someone injures themselves at work through carelessness, sod them, let them suffer?

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Doesn't that make most sports injuries untreatable as there is no need to be playing sport

We'd end up only treating natural disease and accidents but not the perpetrator of say a road traffic accident??

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Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

Doesn't that make most sports injuries untreatable as there is no need to be playing sport

We'd end up only treating natural disease and accidents but not the perpetrator of say a road traffic accident??

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Absolutely, that's why LOM is being utterly daft again.

What if a fat person in a car crash that wasn’t their fault gets a heart attack?

It’s the sort of thing that really makes you think….

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

What if a fat person in a car crash that wasn’t their fault gets a heart attack?

It’s the sort of thing that really makes you think….

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Were they wearing a seat belt 🤔 so many questions - by the time you fill in the eligibility checklist most will have passed on

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Originally Posted by Canton Kev

What if a fat person in a car crash that wasn’t their fault gets a heart attack?

It’s the sort of thing that really makes you think….

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If you look after your body and health the best way you can. Dont smoke, dont eat rubbish food, do some exercise etc, then when something bad does happen to you - you will have a fighting chance of surviving it.
Think of all the NHS hours saved - that could then be used on people who have had an accident, genetic disease, OAP's etc.

ps - dont forget to tax all the food manufacturers adding sugar to their products - to cover the cost of the damage people are doing to their bodies.

What if your arm falls off ?

Strange that it’s two posters whose messages on here tend to place them on the libertarian right who appear to be in favour of some sort of ban on who can be treated by the NHS.

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Originally Posted by pipster

If you look after your body and health the best way you can. Dont smoke, dont eat rubbish food, do some exercise etc, then when something bad does happen to you - you will have a fighting chance of surviving it.
Think of all the NHS hours saved - that could then be used on people who have had an accident, genetic disease, OAP's etc.

ps - dont forget to tax all the food manufacturers adding sugar to their products - to cover the cost of the damage people are doing to their bodies.

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You wouldn't use them as much when you are young, but if you live a long enough life everything starts to fall apart from wear and tear,
so you may end up costing the NHS more than the fat lazy greedy bastards that drink, smoke, eat shit, and die young?

If I am sensible can I have the extra 10 years being 20 again not going from 85 to 95, when everything is worn out?

So basically if you lead a healthy lifestyle you can get treatment and live longer. Does that mean you'll also get all the social care funded for you, when you're elderly and can no longer look after yourself?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

What if your arm falls off ?

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I’ve had worse. Tis' but a flesh wound

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Originally Posted by fingers

I’ve had worse. Tis' but a flesh wound

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:hehe::hehe:

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Originally Posted by pipster

If you look after your body and health the best way you can. Dont smoke, dont eat rubbish food, do some exercise etc, then when something bad does happen to you - you will have a fighting chance of surviving it.
Think of all the NHS hours saved - that could then be used on people who have had an accident, genetic disease, OAP's etc.

ps - dont forget to tax all the food manufacturers adding sugar to their products - to cover the cost of the damage people are doing to their bodies.

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Who's assessing all that when someone turns up to A&E?

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Originally Posted by fingers

I’ve had worse. Tis' but a flesh wound

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Is this happy hour at Pete and Bernis philosophical steak house ?

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Strange that it’s two posters whose messages on here tend to place them on the libertarian right who appear to be in favour of some sort of ban on who can be treated by the NHS.

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It's a sort of liberal fascism

Why not do a Logans Run and kill us all off before we get old.
Save the NHS billions and cut the waiting lists down.
Just think of the savings on pensions as well.
Win , win, for LoM ��

I think the OP was referring to people who are offered the treatment they want then just don't turn up for their operation and also don't bother to let the hospital know they aren't going so the hospital can schedule someone else for the time.
As it is that slot is wasted when there are many thousands of people on the waiting lists who would jump at the chance if it was offered to them.
I don't believe anyone was suggesting a person should be denied NHS medical care just because the happen to smoke or drink or be fat.
Should those that don't turn up without good reason be charged for the wasted costs, would it focus peoples minds of taking the opportunity to have the care their body needs when it is offered?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I think the OP was referring to people who are offered the treatment they want then just don't turn up for their operation and also don't bother to let the hospital know they aren't going so the hospital can schedule someone else for the time.
As it is that slot is wasted when there are many thousands of people on the waiting lists who would jump at the chance if it was offered to them.
I don't believe anyone was suggesting a person should be denied NHS medical care just because the happen to smoke or drink or be fat.
Should those that don't turn up without good reason be charged for the wasted costs, would it focus peoples minds of taking the opportunity to have the care their body needs when it is offered?

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I know you Tories stick together, but he was referring to those people as a waste of NHS money. He said so himself in the thread.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

What if your arm falls off ?

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Her arse?

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

I think the OP was referring to people who are offered the treatment they want then just don't turn up for their operation and also don't bother to let the hospital know they aren't going so the hospital can schedule someone else for the time.
As it is that slot is wasted when there are many thousands of people on the waiting lists who would jump at the chance if it was offered to them.
I don't believe anyone was suggesting a person should be denied NHS medical care just because the happen to smoke or drink or be fat.
Should those that don't turn up without good reason be charged for the wasted costs, would it focus peoples minds of taking the opportunity to have the care their body needs when it is offered?

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You can never tell if something he posts are his own words or someone else’s. At least this time he mentions from where his message comes, but it’s not clear if all of his first post is down to the Daily Mail - my guess is that as the final para doesn’t read like one you’d read in a paper, that’s the OP summing things up, but I might be wrong.

LoM then agrees with a “summing up” by another poster as to what his message means, but, trying to be fair, that could be his opinion as to what is being said than his personal view. However, based on the OP’s posting history, it seems more likely that he supported what the Daily Mail was saying than he posted it because he was against what was being said.

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Originally Posted by kendoddsdadsdogsdead

Her arse?

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Her arse fell off ?

I thought this was going to be a thread about either the House of Lords or the Royal family. Not a moan about common people whose wealth/health/living circumstances we know nothing about.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

You can never tell if something he posts are his own words or someone else’s. At least this time he mentions from where his message comes, but it’s not clear if all of his first post is down to the Daily Mail - my guess is that as the final para doesn’t read like one you’d read in a paper, that’s the OP summing things up, but I might be wrong.

LoM then agrees with a “summing up” by another poster as to what his message means, but, trying to be fair, that could be his opinion as to what is being said than his personal view. However, based on the OP’s posting history, it seems more likely that he supported what the Daily Mail was saying than he posted it because he was against what was being said.

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Eric all political factions stick together regardless of if they stand to the left of Corbyn or the tight of Atilla. I was just commenting on what I saw as the main thrust of the article, and as I said I don't think anyone has or will be refused the medical cre they need jusy because they are not perfect weight to height, abstemious, or anything else.
But people who leave operating room and treatment centres sitting idle may think twice if they knew it might cost them. It only takes a phone call to cancel or postpone. I know a man in my local who had a heart c'warning' as the doctors put it. He was scheduled for surgery but was overweight so was given a special diet regime and rescheduled. He has now gone3 times and been sent away because he hasn't lost an ounce.To compound it he is a coach driver so now cannot work and is claiming lots of benefits which if he had lost weight as asked would not be a continuing burden on our taxes.
I think these are the kind of people that need to be addressed.
But I don't intend to get into a slanging match with some on here, (I don't mean you) they are just my thoughts on the matter.

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Eric, Paul, all political factions stick together regardless of if they stand to the left of Corbyn or the tight of Atilla. I was just commenting on what I saw as the main thrust of the article, and as I said I don't think anyone has or will be refused the medical care they need just because they are not perfect weight to height, abstemious, or anything else.
But people who leave operating room and treatment centres sitting idle may think twice if they knew it might cost them. It only takes a phone call to cancel or postpone. I know a man in my local who had a heart c'warning' as the doctors put it. He was scheduled for surgery but was overweight so was given a special diet regime and rescheduled. He has now gone 3 times and been sent away because he hasn't lost an ounce.To compound it he is a coach driver so now cannot work and is claiming lots of benefits which if he had lost weight as asked would not be a continuing burden on our taxes.
I think these are the kind of people that need to be addressed.
But I don't intend to get into a slanging match with some on here, (I don't mean you) they are just my thoughts on the matter.

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This is meant to reply to both TOBW and The half a Bee, but I don't know how to add 2 quotes lol

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Eric all political factions stick together regardless of if they stand to the left of Corbyn or the tight of Atilla. I was just commenting on what I saw as the main thrust of the article, and as I said I don't think anyone has or will be refused the medical cre they need jusy because they are not perfect weight to height, abstemious, or anything else.
But people who leave operating room and treatment centres sitting idle may think twice if they knew it might cost them. It only takes a phone call to cancel or postpone. I know a man in my local who had a heart c'warning' as the doctors put it. He was scheduled for surgery but was overweight so was given a special diet regime and rescheduled. He has now gone3 times and been sent away because he hasn't lost an ounce.To compound it he is a coach driver so now cannot work and is claiming lots of benefits which if he had lost weight as asked would not be a continuing burden on our taxes.
I think these are the kind of people that need to be addressed.
But I don't intend to get into a slanging match with some on here, (I don't mean you) they are just my thoughts on the matter.

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Works the other way as well unfortunately in late cancellations of operations due to lack of staff

Just had to go private for back surgery due to waiting lists in the NHS and the anaesthetist was saying he was in theatre the day before and of the 5 scheduled ops only three took place all day due to not enough anaesthetists available so 2 people had to be sent home first thing

This isn't a COVID impact as my wife about 6/7 years ago needed a foot operation and had it cancelled 7 times including once when she was in the gown waiting to go to theatre - they had lost staff as an immediate impact of Brexit at the time so a real wild variable

There are number of funding and systemic issues with the NHS that will take a long time to resolve if at all including self care of us as a population

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Originally Posted by Nobody's Rep

Works the other way as well unfortunately in late cancellations of operations due to lack of staff

Just had to go private for back surgery due to waiting lists in the NHS and the anaesthetist was saying he was in theatre the day before and of the 5 scheduled ops only three took place all day due to not enough anaesthetists available so 2 people had to be sent home first thing

This isn't a COVID impact as my wife about 6/7 years ago needed a foot operation and had it cancelled 7 times including once when she was in the gown waiting to go to theatre - they had lost staff as an immediate impact of Brexit at the time so a real wild variable

There are number of funding and systemic issues with the NHS that will take a long time to resolve if at all including self care of us as a population

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I agree and if the got rid of the layers of non medical management that add nothing to the service there would be more money where it's needed. The old Medical Directors (Professors senior surgeons etc) and Matrons ran a far more efficient and patient facing organisation then .