He's not all that good is he, and besides that Ampadu's development is going backwards. Out of all the clubs, Chelsea are the worst possible choice for a young player.
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He's not all that good is he, and besides that Ampadu's development is going backwards. Out of all the clubs, Chelsea are the worst possible choice for a young player.
I disagree, there are far worse clubs for young players. Ours for one.
Players who have been developed at Chelsea have a much higher chance of playing at the top level than most other clubs
Sarri seems to be the hardest word...
Sometimes you just speak for the sake of it. Read about Sarri when he was in charge at Empoli and you'll find he gave young players prominence.
Zielinski, Rog and Diawara were all young players at Napoli too.
The problem is that the system is broken in this country. You can't expect someone like Ampadu who will be playing against the likes of Swansea and Blackburn u23s week in week out to then step in and play against Real Madrid in the champions league.
The gap is two big. The under 23 system is ok for Balckburn and Swansea cos the step up from playing Man City and Chelsea u23s to championship football is not so big.
I'm speaking because the Euro 2020 qualifiers start on Sunday 24th of March, and I was hoping that we would have a much improved player going into this important year of international fixtures. I guess it's all down to Giggs now to get the best out of him.
Look at the list of players who came through Chelsea's academy and are now playing at a very high level and then compare to ours.
Maybe, just maybe he doesn't think the Sun shines out of Ampadu's arse. As HG has said, Sarri has developed lots of players, he's a good coach. He's proved that pretty much everywhere he's been. Ampadu has about 20 career appearances, he's not going to force himself into the side with that when most are in League 2 or international friendlies. I'm basically echoing HG but the way we treat young players is broken, and if Sarri plays a load of kids, they make mistakes and lose, he's the one that has to carry the can for it, not the young lads.
If Kante, Jorghinho and Kovacic were English that would be their midfield 3.
I'm not saying it's ideal what happening at Chelsea but they are under pressure to come in the top 4 at least and development is secondary to instant success cos of the money involved.
The fact is if Hudson-Odoi goes to Bayern and does well, in two years they'll be in the queue to buy him back for 80 million.
It's tragic but it's the way it is in England. It's not Sarri's fault, he and Pep are in the same position where the owners want success NOW
Chelsea could be out of the top 4 by the end of their game on Sunday, and it will be a tricky task trying to overtake a resurgent Manchester United during the run-in. So that could mean they would need to win the Europa League to play in the Champions League next season. I wonder what old trigger-finger Abramovich thinks about that?
Well it does appear as though Sarriball is a busted flush, and there doesn't seem to be any Plan B. In fact, Sarri has said he is going to persevere with the system until his chosen players master it. However, if a 21 year-old rookie like David Brooks can stop them playing, what does the future of Sarriball hold? The secret is out, and a few teams have already done a number on Jorghino. The race for 4th place is going to be very interesting.
Sarriball? His coaching made strikers like Higuain and Mertens play better than they ever have before and, arguably, since while he built a reputation for developing players rather than buying talent. He also probably has had a bigger challenge this year than Jose/Ole (clearly a more talented squad) and Emery (less of a tactical transition) having come in after Conte who played 3-5-2 and system rather than individual talent won games. But yes, one negative thing that seems to stand out is that he has no reputation, as far as I'm aware, of winning titles.
Do you think he's never encountered a number 10 stopping Jorghinho play in Italy?
The defeat to Bournemouth wasn't just down to Jorginho. I will say that Jorginho is taking a little time to truly put his stamp on the English league but so it Keita for Liverpool and he was a once in a generation talent before he signed!
I heard Rio Ferdinand saying he has all these passes yet no assists etc but I think that's why we're so far behind tactically in this country.
If you judge someone like Jorginho or Iniesta with just stats then you are missing the point.
I watched a game at the Camp Nou between Barcelona and Real Madrid and Barcelona were being dominated in midfield until they brought Iniesta off the bench into an ordinary midfield vs Kroos, Modric and Casemiro and he completely changed the game. He didn't score or assist but completely controlled and set the tempo for the game.
Shock horror - WalesBales talking nonsense again
But that will include Sarri himself trying to work out what went wrong and how to fix it.
MotD have made clear this year that Man City are a different team without Fernandino who is now 33. If he's not replaced then in one or two years time we could be having similar threads doubting Pep's management because that one player won't be there to make their mark on the game.
I get the feeling that if Ampadu had played every game and they were still in 4th then the OP would now be lauding Sarri
Sarri is not the first manager at Chelsea to "lose" what strikes me as a very fickle dressing room. Some very influential members of that dressing room left the club in the last couple of years, but it appears to have made no difference in terms of the way the players seem quick to down tools if there is the slightest hint of a problem. It happens at other clubs, but it seems to go on more at Chelsea than any other team in the Premier League - the players are indulged a great deal there and I wonder how different the club's results would be over, say, a three season period if the emphasis switched from bringing in "ready made" first team players to giving more of a chance to youth?
If you look at age profiles for those two positions, players generally peak later than a lot of positions.
Wingers peak the youngest, as so much of their game is based on athletic attributes, whereas positions which rely more on experience, game reading, positioning and strength tend to peak later
I'm not saying that it's a direct choice between the current approach at Chelsea and one of picking a side full of youngsters, but, for a club with their ambitions, the approach they've used under Abramovich can only be seen as a partial success at best in recent years - would they have really done an awful lot worse by gradually introducing some youngsters into their Premier League squad?
I can remember the argument being made when the Premier League was being set up that it would benefit the England team. At the moment, it seems to me that England have their best set of youngsters coming through in ages and the idea of them winning a major tournament some time in the not too distant future does not seem as ridiculous as it did ten years ago when the "golden generation" were proving to be a national embarrassment, but with young players increasingly leaving to play on the continent because of a lack of opportunities in the domestic game, any success for the England team will come despite the Premier League rather than because of it.
I'm not advocating sacking Sarri, maybe there's a few in the dressing room at Chelsea they should get rid of?
It’s a strange one Paul when you see Chelsea’s youth wiping the floor against the others and now you have the German clubs thinking hang on a minute we’ll have them if you’re not going to play them. Chelsea should be saying look the next couple of years will be tough but we’re going to bring all these kids through
I'm not sure I totally agree that the impressive crop of youngsters coming through for Wales and England is despite the premier League rather then because of it.
Clubs like Chelsea and man city have invested unprecedented amounts in their academies, and even if very few players end up making it to their first team, the results of that are definitely benefitting football in this country.
They pay for the best young talent, the best coaches and employ the most up to date training methods. Their business model relies on either making a home grown superstar, or selling the ones who almost get there for millions. That model doesn't work if they are letting talent wither on the vine.
We've got first hand experience of clubs now imposing punative clauses in loan agreements if players are t played.
That's not quite what I said though. You make the case for saying that the system is in place to produce an England team that wins major tournaments, but, just like with City, it seems at the moment that turning good teenagers into good first team players is either a problem or something that is not encouraged at the club - I'm convinced that someone like Loftus-Cheek won't realise his full potential if he stays at Chelsea and, seemingly, the penny is dropping with a lot of the best talent coming through in the younger age group.
My argument was that any trophies England may win will be despite the Premier League rather than because of it - I still think that is right, but I'll qualify it by saying if current attitudes prevail. What the Chelsea approach has proved up to now is that you can win some trophies, but you can forget about having any Academy products in there while you're doing it. This thread is about Chelsea and I don't believe their last five years or so have been as successful as someone like Abramovich would have expected them to be - maybe it is the club's philosophy that needs to chance as opposed to the team manager every season or two?
It would help if you actually read what I posted. I said his development is going backwards, nowhere have I called for him to be thrown into the 1st team for every game, those are your words! The fact is, he has only apeared in 4 minor games, and each of those was in a different position. He was much better off under Conte, who actually had a development plan in place.
Sarri had a great team last last year, but he's been totally found out by teams like Bournemouth this year. Sarriball has never won anything in the past, and it certainly won't be winning anything in the near future. I'm affraid it's back to the drawing board for Chelsea, they either need a new system or a new manager.
Given the model in operation, you would expect teams like Chelsea and Man City to produce a few decent players. If Cardiff had 50 youngsters of a similar caliber to Ramsey, I'm almost certain we would produce a few decent players too. In fact, they would be better, as they would actually get some playing experience!