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America is a country we should not trust.
America is the only country that will back us and is our closest and our oldest allie , along with our wonderful commonwealth friends .
Oldest allie(sic)?! You might find that you're wrong and several hundred years off on that tasty fact, LoM.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Could be a case of mind over nataQuote:
Originally Posted by Heisenberg
The 1950s called. They want their message back.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
The USA hasn't been going long and they have already been fighting and killing us when they wanted Independence, not to mention being a combined half a decade late entering the World wars, I would be very wary about fully trusting them.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Very goodQuote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I would have thought that you would be last person on here criticising people's efforts in throwing off the shackles of British imperialism.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
They were in the main British/British descendents not Africans, not Asians, not Pacific Islanders, not Welsh/Ancient Britons fighting Saxons/Normans etc but British colonists fighting their own kind, that tells you a lot about the type of people Americans are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
America has a very mixed population and can't easily be stereotyped as you suggest. More national stereotyping from you so that's nothing new.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Their ruling class still tend to be WASPs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
I don't trust many things or countries just prefer USA as a choice of society and partner, its a personal view and my choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
Our society has huge connections , yes it's been built on really since WW2 , however we enjoy so much of their lifestyle such as , film , TV , sport, music , cars , literature , food, drink , holiday destinations, god I could list so many things we enjoy and share , can't think of any other society we are so close too and share so many likes, oh and we understand their language which will be useful when we are buying their goods and reading the packaging instructions .
Put it like this I was bouncing round the room when Iran beat the USA in the 98 WC every bit as much as I do when the ABE's beat Ingerlund.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
That's not what you said, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
It's what I meant because if you don't generalise on occasion on a message board every post would be a mile long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie
Hey Ho each to thier own , you might be good company on the politics message board , but not in the general populationQuote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
I don't know if you are talking about my local area within Wales, Wales itself, the UK or the World, seems a strange thing to say, I have been lucky enough to have lots of good friends all my life, sport is tribal, I tend to want the underdog/small team to win particularly if they are up against a large imperialistic nation, I don't see how that makes one unpopular particular if one lives in a small country that is often the underdog like Wales often is.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Not really.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
I wonder if the NHS is on the table during any UK-US trade negotiations ?
Jeremy thought so.Quote:
Originally Posted by trampie09
I should imagine the purchase of goods that support any service or business in the UK could be part of a trade deal as we don't manufacture everything to support tge demand .
What I'd like to see is new manufacturing companies spring up post Covid and Brexit with low start up business costs and rates , however folks will have to accept the price of goods will be dearer , as we have higher wages and pensions costs , than those paid in China , India and even in the good old USA .
rather than directly selling off the NHS, the thing that is initially concerning is this..Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...n-brexit-drugs
of course under a tory government, who always run the NHS into the ground, if faced with this additional cost pressure then it could be curtains.
the Tories are never going to raise taxes to find the NHS if it gets into real difficulty, they will just say it is inefficient and sell it off
Not quite sure I understand the reasoning.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Surely any trade deal we negotiate post-Brexit with countries like India, China and the US will be aimed at lowering tariff barriers rather than raising them to protect industries where British goods are dearer.
Any attempt to protect certain markets or sectors such as manufacturing will see reciprocal action on something by the other party and therefore lessen the benefits of being free to negotiate without the encumbrance of EU membership?.
Lifeonmars is just being silly to get bites. Isn't he? So hard to tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
Of course we have to enter into some form of trade deal , however alongside that I feel our best chance to progress is to enhance our own manufacturing capabilities, we used to make quality goods, and then we sold our souls for a cheaper mass product, a government back investment to new business starts to build back our manufacturing , farming, base would surely be a good all round social benefit and investment, we need to stop relying on cheap foreign products post Covid and BrexitQuote:
Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays
I'm not sure that tax rise won't happen a number of recent polls commissioned to see if folk would be happy to pay more for social care and health were positive .Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
If I was Boris I'd raise nurses pay significantly and ask for cross party consensus on a ring fenced tax rise of 1p on wages up 50k and 2p for 50k upwards, but increase tax allowances for those earning up to 20k
:thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
We were always the sick man of Europe before this , in terms of our general poor behaviour, poor health , appalling drinking habits , and bad obesity statistics ,so it's a good fit .
levels of smoking, drinking, obesity etc are pretty similar to GermanyQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
The*UK is*the most*obese*country in western Europe, according to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development. Its annual Health at a Glance report, published on Friday, shows that 26.9% of the*UK*population had a body mass index of 30 and above, the official definition of*obesity, in 2015.11 Nov 2017Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
The only deal we will get is one which suits the Yanks first and foremost and that’s it.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
We really haven’t got much to offer in comparison and it’s hilarious watching those advocating Brexit scream that the EU are bullies whilst the Yanks will somehow be kind.
Don’t get me wrong a trade deal will be nice and there no doubt the EU will try and take advantage of us but that’s what happens when you’re the minor partner in any deal negotiation.
All this Anglo sphere commonwealth thing is...well, utter bollocks which has been born out of British Exceptionalism spewed out.
Find me a pro Brexit economist who reckons Brexit will be good for manufacturing.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
https://www.cityam.com/group-pro-bre...add-135bn/amp/Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
Eric was clearly referring to manufacturing.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Your hero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgwVEpbb3do
"A price worth paying......"
https://www.theguardian.com/business...backing-brexitQuote:
Originally Posted by Veg1960
So Eric asks to come up with an economist who thinks Brexit will be good for UK manufacturing.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
You respond with a group of economists led by a fella that believes Brexit will lead to the destruction of British industry.
“we would mostly eliminate manufacturing, leaving mainly industries such as design, marketing and high-tech. But this shouldn’t scare us.”
But Tim Martin thinks it's going to be great so I suppose there is nothing to be worried about
Quote:
Originally Posted by Veg1960
I'm sure we will manufacture post Brexit . PMA
https://www.ft.com/content/8e2aaf0a-...2-dbd09587277c
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