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Nissan 2013: If the UK leaves the EU we’ll have to reconsider our investments in the UK
Project fear!
Nissan 2016: No, seriously brexit will be bad for the car industry.
Project fear!
Nissan 2018: Yeah this isn’t good.
Project fear!
Nissan 2020: Bye
Project...oh
Would that be the Nissan plant that's the largest single employer in the area? Would that be the Nissan plant that contributes more to the UK economy than the entire UK fishing industry? Would that be Sunderland that voted for Brexit?
I'm trying to be sympathetic. I really am.
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only a rumour at this stage nicked from a german auto magazine
if true think they currently employ around 7,000 people directly and 40 ,000 in the supply chain
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It sounds like a multi-national company flexing its muscle at a crucial point of negotiations. I don't think any organisation would make multi-million pound decisions at this stage without understanding the deal.
This is more about influencing a deal in Nissan's favour. If there was any organisation in the world that understood the emotive political power of a Tory get it done government letting down the workers and voters of Sunderland it is Nissan.
Which can only mean pressurising the UK government to concede on issues that make the free movement of goods the most liberal.
The Tory worry bit comes when people see the deal and they work out what was sacrificed for what was gained.
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Outside of Brexit unless Nissan commits to making electric or hybrid cars we will see a job loss anyway won't we ??? the car industry all over the world is changing its dynamics and job losses will occur .
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life on mars
Outside of Brexit unless Nissan commits to making electric or hybrid cars we will see a job loss anyway won't we ??? the car industry all over the world is changing its dynamics and job losses will occur .
Nissan seems to be an e-car leader. Job losses may occur because of automation but why demand?
Do you think that people will want fewer cars in a decade? (of course unless the economic impact of Brexit makes that an outcome).
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expected news on gigafactory battery manufacturing coming from the government this week . 4 are planned for the UK in the coming years to support electric vehicle manufacturing in the UK
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ctric-vehicles
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cyril evans awaydays
Nissan seems to be an e-car leader. Job losses may occur because of automation but why demand?
Do you think that people will want fewer cars in a decade? (of course unless the economic impact of Brexit makes that an outcome).
More to do with cars becoming almost computers that require less moving parts that are manufactured they currently need a lot more manpower within the car plants or at manufacturing plants, I wonder if that very manpower will be required and that effect it may have on the areas supporting the Nissan plant , you see this around the world as automation takes over .
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life on mars
More to do with cars becoming almost computers that require less moving parts that are manufactured they currently need a lot more manpower within the car plants or at manufacturing plants, I wonder if that very manpower will be required and that effect it may have on the areas supporting the Nissan plant , you see this around the world as automation takes over .
What do you think that this new UK manufacturing hub will be making?
The Nissan Stupido?
https://www.ccmb.co.uk/showthread.ph...ns-begin/page2
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Deal or no deal , back it or don't .
Both parties maybe voting on it very soon , wonder how the vote will go , bound to be conflict within Labour as well as the Tories we will probably see SNP vote against it., what will Labour do ?
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This is truly pathetic. Get used to months more of these lies. The words of the German ambassador highlight what a joke this nation is becoming in international eyes.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1765005.html
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Swiss Peter
It is very jingoistic statement .
Sadly the truth is lost in this debate and we do lead the field in medicine which we should be proud off , hence the demand around the world for students wanting to study the subject matter in the UK
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The boring brinkmanship goes on and on and on, but I'm still betting on Johnson to come to the rescue with a deal, will it be "the best of both worlds", "oven ready" or the one he negotiated just in time for last year's election though?
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the other bob wilson
The boring brinkmanship goes on and on and on, but I'm still betting on Johnson to come to the rescue with a deal, will it be "the best of both worlds", "oven ready" or the one he negotiated just in time for last year's election though?
Surprise, surprise Boris is going to meet Ursula in Brussels
And surprise surprise again it will probably be when Merkel, Macron and co are in town for the European summit on Thursday and Fruday.
Expect white (or black but hopefully not) smoke sometime in the early hours of Friday morning ( or Saturday if they decide to extend the summit - it wouldn't surprise me in the least if all countries have been told to expect an extra day!)
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Incidentall you may detect a slight element of cynicism in my previous post!!
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Some good news
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55229681
The UK and EU have reached agreement on how rules in the Brexit divorce deal will be implemented, particularly in relation to Northern Ireland.
The government says an agreement in principle has been found for issues including border control posts and the supply of medicines.
The government says it will now withdraw controversial clauses in the Internal Market Bill.
However negotiations to reach a post-Brexit trade deal are still ongoing.
The details of the agreement have not been published but are expected to be rubber stamped in the coming days.
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Veg1960
All I know is If Labour had held its nose and backed May's deal, Boris big majority may not have happened , Ironically we may now see Labour backing a Boris deal , priceless 😀
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Veg1960
What a farce, no one comes out of it well.
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the other bob wilson
What a farce, no one comes out of it well.
Indeed, I think Brexit changed politics and people's behaviours more than anything I can recall, the fact that 72% voted says a lot .
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ninian opinian
Must have been offered huge cash incentives me thinks .
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life on mars
Must have been offered huge cash incentives me thinks .
Do you?
I think that (despite the expected denials) Brexit was a major factor and the deal to acquire a modern assembly plant in France (which is in the EU!) with Smart car production thrown in offset any residual jingoism by the Brexit supporting owner.
Like Dyson to Singapore - money and markets talk to the cheerleaders of Britain First and Taking Back Control. Profit before posturing!
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jon1959
Do you?
I think that (despite the expected denials) Brexit was a major factor and the deal to acquire a modern assembly plant in France (which is in the EU!) with Smart car production thrown in offset any residual jingoism by the Brexit supporting owner.
Like Dyson to Singapore - money and markets talk to the cheerleaders of Britain First and Taking Back Control. Profit before posturing!
Business men will take the better commercial deal, the new plant on the German French border is a fully ready to manufacture site Bridgend wasn't and then we have the wonderful M4 infrastructure issues that has stopped any businesses coming to Wales never mind the decades of bridge tolls , these are logistics brick walls we suffer from .
Its a petrol and diesel machine not a smart one.
We just got out bid is my guess.
The new Defender being built in Belpher in Derbyshire is going ahead ??
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life on mars
Business men will take the better commercial deal, the new plant on the German French border is a fully ready to manufacture site Bridgend wasn't and then we have the wonderful M4 infrastructure issues that has stopped any businesses coming to Wales never mind the decades of bridge tolls , these are logistics brick walls we suffer from .
Its a petrol and diesel machine not a smart one.
We just got out bid is my guess.
The new Defender being built in Belpher in Derbyshire is going ahead ??
Delusional
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Thankfully the wetherspoons guy can't move his pubs to Europe otherwise we could tick off all the squares on brexiteer traitor bingo.
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Tell you what lets blame everything on Brexit , Covid or Boris .
Wales has always been the number one pick in Europe for private industries and businessmen ,public health and educations , transportation infrastructures second to none .
I bet the world would live to buy in our commercial enterprise modelling , forward thinking business planning as we are are so far ahead of everyone its frightening .
The only failure and delusional thoughts are from the 20 years of poor governance and decision making ,outperforming public services in Wales .
Its not Brexit its poor management ,pity the folk of Wales cant see that ,even though the Brexit debate and vote got them all riled up ,lol , how sad
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life on mars
Tell you what lets blame everything on Brexit , Covid or Boris .
Wales has always been the number one pick in Europe for private industries and businessmen ,public health and educations , transportation infrastructures second to none .
I bet the world would live to buy in our commercial enterprise modelling , forward thinking business planning as we are are so far ahead of everyone its frightening .
The only failure and delusional thoughts are from the 20 years of poor governance and decision making ,outperforming public services in Wales .
Its not Brexit its poor management ,pity the folk of Wales cant see that ,even though the Brexit debate and vote got them all riled up ,lol , how sad
Ah, the familiar 'cat walking on the keyboard' implosion. I don't live in Wales and never have but this is obviously a decision made because of a number of factors which are all caused by or heavily influenced by Brexit.
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"The site's location on the French-German border, only 200km from Stuttgart, gives excellent access to supply chains, automotive talent and target markets."
Hmm I wonder what major event coming up might affect supply chain and distribution??? Can't put my finger on it.
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Eric Cartman
Ah, the familiar 'cat walking on the keyboard' implosion. I don't live in Wales and never have but this is obviously a decision made because of a number of factors which are all caused by or heavily influenced by Brexit.
I have lived and breathed Wales all my life , love the City and surrounding area , only trouble with it on any subject matter its always someones else's fault
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life on mars
Tell you what lets blame everything on Brexit , Covid or Boris .
Wales has always been the number one pick in Europe for private industries and businessmen ,public health and educations , transportation infrastructures second to none .
I bet the world would live to buy in our commercial enterprise modelling , forward thinking business planning as we are are so far ahead of everyone its frightening .
The only failure and delusional thoughts are from the 20 years of poor governance and decision making ,outperforming public services in Wales .
Its not Brexit its poor management ,pity the folk of Wales cant see that ,even though the Brexit debate and vote got them all riled up ,lol , how sad
Yeah, must have been a really difficult decision whether to place your factory in a market of 600 million or 60 million people.
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Eric Cartman
"The site's location on the French-German border, only 200km from Stuttgart, gives excellent access to supply chains, automotive talent and target markets."
Hmm I wonder what major event coming up might affect supply chain and distribution??? Can't put my finger on it.
And remember its a fully built plant , where as Bridgend would need investments and builds , have decent viable access routes in and out , subsidy check was bigger .
Not wanting to state the obvious if you can save some millions as a businessmen man surely you do Brexit or no Brexit and reverse any decision you wish to make on a site structures , purchase, price , best new business subsidy/support package .
Probably at the time the Welsh Government financial support structure was the better , now it not as its simply been out bid or WAG fell sleep at the wheel , who knows ?
That doesn't stop these people having a few on out of Europe being better as a nation it may not fits his or Dyson's model though , they are talking about the UK in general , in as much we accuse them of double standards one cant help think we blame every decision on bad Tories or Brexit .
Maybe Wales should have had a better / sharper enterprise plan to attract businesses well before Brexit , instead of relying on Euro handouts , moaning about others all through these decades sitting back on the public sector jobs .
Hey they could even do what they want the Boris Government to do in England and tax the rich more as they have that power now o, or even attack those fortunate to own a second home tax in wales via the LTT system surcharge l, increase Rateable values of properties over 750k , charge for prescriptions of the wealthy , reduce corporation tax to attract businesses ,etc etc etc ??
Nah rather blame some else and moan and do nothing as its someones else fault , devolved responsibility my arse
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Veg1960
Yeah, must have been a really difficult decision whether to place your factory in a market of 600 million or 60 million people.
Yeah, but Jim Radcliffe was seemingly happy with permits to get into Kent days of delays at lorry parks and ports for their just in time component supply chains. It was the Brynglas tunnel they couldn't cope with. What don't you get?
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life on mars
And remember its a fully built plant , where as Bridgend would need investments and builds , have decent viable access routes in and out , subsidy check was bigger .
Not wanting to state the obvious if you can save some millions as a businessmen man surely you do Brexit or no Brexit and reverse any decision you wish to make on a site structures , purchase, price , best new business subsidy/support package .
Probably at the time the Welsh Government financial support structure was the better , now it not as its simply been out bid or WAG fell sleep at the wheel , who knows ?
That doesn't stop these people having a few on out of Europe being better as a nation it may not fits his or Dyson's model though , they are talking about the UK in general , in as much we accuse them of double standards one cant help think we blame every decision on bad Tories or Brexit .
Maybe Wales should have had a better / sharper enterprise plan to attract businesses well before Brexit , instead of relying on Euro handouts , moaning about others all through these decades sitting back on the public sector jobs .
Hey they could even do what they want the Boris Government to do in England and tax the rich more as they have that power now o, or even attack those fortunate to own a second home tax in wales via the LTT system surcharge l, increase Rateable values of properties over 750k , charge for prescriptions of the wealthy , reduce corporation tax to attract businesses ,etc etc etc ??
Nah rather blame some else and moan and do nothing as its someones else fault , devolved responsibility my arse
I couldn't make sense of most of that, but thanks for pointing out 'the obvious' that the UK government couldn't raise taxes until we left the EU. I never knew UK tax policy was decided in Brussels... I wonder if Phil Collins realised that when he threatened (!) to emigrate to Europe if a Labour government was elected?
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jon1959
I couldn't make sense of most of that, but thanks for pointing out 'the obvious' that the UK government couldn't raise taxes until we left the EU. I never knew UK tax policy was decided in Brussels... I wonder if Phil Collins realised that when he threatened (!) to emigrate to Europe if a Labour government was elected?
Move to Wales its lovely
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Eric Cartman
Ah, the familiar 'cat walking on the keyboard' implosion. I don't live in Wales and never have but this is obviously a decision made because of a number of factors which are all caused by or heavily influenced by Brexit.
Move to Wales make a difference.
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cyril evans awaydays
Yeah, but Jim Radcliffe was seemingly happy with permits to get into Kent days of delays at lorry parks and ports for their just in time component supply chains. It was the Brynglas tunnel they couldn't cope with. What don't you get?
Yeh bloody tunnels , 20 years of congestion .
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life on mars
I have lived and breathed Wales all my life , love the City and surrounding area , only trouble with it on any subject matter its always someones else's fault
So are you blaming yourself for Ineos not putting their production in bridgend?
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life on mars
Yeh bloody tunnels , 20 years of congestion .
The tunnels predated the Act of Devolution by 30 years. I guess there was free-flowing traffic until the Assembly was formed. Amazingly though in those 20 years the Irish economy has boomed even though massive amounts of their imports and exports travel through crumbling Welsh infrastructure. A question to an Irish haulier from Cork or Tipperary whether the Brynglas tunnel or the Channel Tunnel is their biggest problem in 2021 might solve the riddle you are grappling with.
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cyril evans awaydays
The tunnels predated the Act of Devolution by 30 years. I guess there was free-flowing traffic until the Assembly was formed. Amazingly though in those 20 years the Irish economy has boomed even though massive amounts of their imports and exports travel through crumbling Welsh infrastructure. A question to an Irish haulier from Cork or Tipperary whether the Brynglas tunnel or the Channel Tunnel is their biggest problem in 2021 might solve the riddle you are grappling with.
I'm not grappling with anything I do know that many logistical companies were put off using Wales because of its very poor transport infrastructure and bridge tolls and settled their depots just off the tunnels and the bridge in England, measuring Eire with Wales is not the same in my humble view , we had a huge opportunity to better reach England and its parts via North , Mid and South Wales, sadly we never had a plan or a vision .
Labour has had 20 years to get a grip .