More proof that the current crop of Conservative MPs are thicker and worse at politics than most of their predecessors.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...ing-gaffe.html
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More proof that the current crop of Conservative MPs are thicker and worse at politics than most of their predecessors.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/ne...ing-gaffe.html
Its funny how the video looks quite different when you play it for another few seconds though and he answers the question..
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-68901786
What's entirely predictable is that you'd be in defending him. I'm going to watch the whole thing on IPlayer in a minute, but, even if he did eventually answer the question, the damage had already been done, he looks completely unprofessional and without the facts to hand when he was first asked the question.
Yeah he looks unprofessional because people try to reduce down a complex situation to a few seconds of edited video.
What was also predictable is that you would be all over it although you are normally better than calling people thick!
Eventually answer the question? He answered it a couple of seconds after the video ended!
What’s “complex” about knowing whether Rwanda and Congo are separate countries?
Also, I said the current lot are thicker than their predecessors- it seems obvious to me that, with one or two exceptions, the present Government is more inept than the previous Tory administrations in my lifetime have been.
The question wasnt entirely clear, Goma is the 10th largest city in the Democratic Republic of Congo (I looked this morning!) and to me it's clearly a rhetorical question. Both DR Congo and Rwanda are well known countries and it strikes me as highly unlikely that he didn't know they were. The tone in the 'question' is also more rhetorical, and playing the video for a few seconds longer makes it very different indeed as he clearly answers it.
I hate this kind of politics in my opinion. Bob himself admitted he didn't even watch the programme before posting.
Forty four words I make it in your post above and almost as many assumptions and examples of telling people what they’re really thinking on your behalf. Ive watched the programme now and his reply was just left to hang in the air as the conversation moved on to another point. He made an embarrassing mess of his first reply and the incredulous reaction of a panel member and a fair few of the audience spoke volumes. The BBC had it on their news first thing in the morning and the Mail of all papers were not slow in reporting it. I can remember that Mr Philp was Chief Secretary of the Treasury at the time of the Truss/Kwarteng emergency creating Budget, he was on his phone during Kwarteng’s presentation texting people about how the FTSE was going up during the speech - he sounds like a bit of an idiot to me.
If you truly believe that the MP doesn't know that DR Congo and Rwanda are two different countries and it wasn't merely a rhetorical question as part of giving an answer to a not entirely clear question, which he completed a mere seconds after your gotcha video ended then that's up to you I guess.
What a feckin idiot.
It would be funny but people actually voted these clowns in. The standard of politician in this country is truly shocking.
As I said in the title of this thread.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2535291.html
As I said in the title of this thread.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2535291.html
God, the board is slow again today.
I didn't think the question is unclear or complicated in the slightest.
Philp is a nerd and is clearly un-coachable from a media perspective. This doesn't make him a bad person but they probably shouldn't be drawing attention to this by sticking him on shows where he has to answer questions that aren't about his brief.
The fact that you can't admit he looks a bit silly is pretty mad, the audience reaction makes it pretty clear that the majority in there understood perfectly well what the question meant first time around.
at lest gething knows what a bribe is
You are such a sycophantic tory boy creep
Only you could defend this idiot
And here you are , like clockwork , waving your little tory flag
It's embarrassing for most people but your ego will never allow yourself to be shafted
You have been done on here again though
The best job for you would be to work in PR for conservative central office then you could talk bollocks and get paid for it
Oh here she is. The yapping dog.
You know, I've thought about and it I've changed my mind.
I did think that maybe it was a rhetorical question and that Bob had disingenuously shared a video edited to remove the answer to the question a few seconds after the video cuts.
But I think he's right. Much more plausible that he's just thick.
And Diane Abbott with maths? Not confused, just thick
Sadiq Khan gaffe about antisemitism the other week? Not saying the wrong words...just thick.
Just call everyone thick. Much easier!
You are a complete tory bore
You are at it again .....what about Diane Abbot ! What about Sadiq Khan ! ......
You can't help yourself
If someone told you the snow was white you would say it is but it was whiter under a conservative government
Don't you feel like an idiot when you are getting your arse handed to you on a plate but twist and deflect like a slippery eel ?
I was hoping an utter hammering for your entitled lot at the election would shut you up but I think it will be worse
You write these faux intelligent replies thinking you are speaking to a bunch of politics students but hardly anyone bothers reading them as it's like going to the toilet
Everyone knows what's coming and a quick flush and it's gone
He's an idiot
Tosser
What a clown
Hopeless
James Whales joins the party ?
Well if we look at the bigger picture , my analysis , the labour party blah blah blah
The difference between those of us who don't vote for the tory filth and you is evident on the Angela Rayner thread
We all give her the bird because that's what she deserves
But a tory caught with his pants down watching hardcore porn in a brothel ?
You would weasel in and find some way of trying to defend him
You carry on pretending you are nuanced and apolitical but you are only kidding yourself you are as biased towards the Tories as that ponce Gary Barlow from take that
DR Congo is the second biggest country in Africa and widely known. Rwanda is widely known from the genocide in the past and from political debate here for the last couple of years.
Thinking they are the same country is like thinking Germany and Poland are the same country.
I don't believe you actually believe that, you are just happy being whipped up into a pretend frenzy by an video edited to end before he even finished the answer and so that you can moan about the Tories on the internet on a Friday night.
Get a grip Mr kneejerk.
If he had said 'Congo is a different country from Rwanda, isn't it' as a statement you might (just might) have a point.
But he didn't. He said it as a question.
In the moment he tied himself in a knot, looked a total idiot and (until his central office autopilot kicked in) failed to answer a simple audience question.
His grasp of geography may have improved by the following morning - but the following morning wasn't what was beamed to millions of viewers.
As a media event it was a perfect summary of the entire Rwanda Scheme scandal.
But that's not now live TV works is it. Last month Sadiq Khan said that Labour is an anti-Semitic party. Clearly didn't mean it.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/lond...-b1139468.html
Last year The Conservatives London mayor candidate said she wanted to be the first female Labour mayor. Clearly didn't mean it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/tv/new...-b2422156.html
This guy was asked a question, which included the city of Goma (adjacent to Rwanda but in the DR Congo), stated ( you say asked) that they were seperate countries and then gave a clear answer that was edited out of Bobs initial video.
Again, I think it highly unlikely he doesn't know that DR Congo and Rwanda are different countries. They are both well known states.
Mistakes, gaffes, poorly worded answers happen, as do rhetorical questions in day to day interactions . It doesn't mean someone is thick and it doesn't mean they think two countries are the same place.
Right at the start, the man asking the question of Philp states that Congo and Rwanda are neighbouring countries, so what is the point of the MP’s question, “rhetorical “ or otherwise?
I’ve just searched “Chris Philp Rwanda” on the browser Safari and the results show that it’s not the non story that just one contributor to this thread is trying to make it out to be - incidentally, I see the I article I put a link to which listed other gaffes by the accident prone Mr Philp did not get a response from the one person in this thread who thinks what the MP said was perfectly fair and reasonable.
Apart from the fact that Wes Streeting looked incredulous at what Philp said, this thread has got nothing to do with the Labour Party, so what is the point of your post in the context of this thread? There is an accusation of a knee jerk reaction in this thread, but I can spot two more extreme reactions of one in this conversation and neither of them involve Sludge - ar least you and Cedric haven’t stooped to making out Philp didn’t make a complete fool of himself I suppose, so that’s something in your favour.
More than anything I just disagree with you labelling people "thick" and misrepresenting what happened based on a programme you didn't watch and the sharing of a video edited to end before the questioned was answered.
It suits your narrative and that's why you did it. Not an interest in the pursuit of truth. It's gutter politics IMO.
And as I said earlier. I don't for one second believe you think he believes Rwanda and DR Congo are the same country any more than Susan Hall thinks she will be the next Labour mayor or Diane Abbott thinks you can employ a police officer for £100 a year or whatever she said.
The irony is these kind of videos and the kind of posts you made will be made throughout politics nationally and globally and it's why populism rises. Short, snappy and unrepresentative videos designed fundamentally to mislead.
Well done! Lock her up! Sleepy Joe! The Politician doesn't know Rwanda from Congo! etc etc. It's all the same playbook. We all lose because there are plenty like you on the right too.
You're so selective in the way you put your arguments. First, you've ignored my first paragraph where I point out that the man who asked the question clearly stated that the two countries concerned are neighbours., That appeared in the video I first linked, so there's enough there to justify the incredulity which greeted Philp's rhetorical or otherwise question without having to watch any more..
You home in me saying I hadn't watched the Question Time at the time I started the thread, I have done now and I saw nothing in it to justify the lengths you've gone to defending a Minister who, as I've shown by posting that I article, has previous for this sort of thing.
Let's get it clear about my use of the word "idiot" as well. What I said was that the Philp could be considered an idiot compared to his predecessors in other Conservative Governments. A man so error prone as him would have been unlikely to get a job in many previous Tory administrations because he wouldn't have been good enough - the ineptitude of so many with jobs in the current Government is another sign of the damage done by Johnson when he kicked out experienced Parliamentarians who could have been moderating influences on some of the Government's wilder excesses. Although I didn't just come out and call Philp an idiot, there was a context to it that you arena't acknowledging, the more I learn about the man, the more it becomes clear, I should have just forgotten that context and made your day be calling him an idiot straight out because that's how he came over on Thursday night.
Another gold for James in the mental gymnastics competition.
If it makes the tories look bad he can't see the reality no matter the overwhelming evidence.
Do you realise what is going on in the real world whilst this was created as a thread.
There is zero chance or me starting a thread on a Labour, Lib Dem, SNP or any other politician and calling them thick based on a video like this.
The responses are always coming back from the hyperbolic threads and posts that always ignore one side and make a ridiculous deal over anything associated with the other. At least Bob knows recognises the response may have been rhetorical.
And again, if any of you seriously think he doesn't know that these two well known countries are indeed different countries then I have a bridge between Congo and Rwanda to sell you!
Absolutely ridiculous.
What's absolutely ridiculous is you think we believe any of your nonsense anymore
It's embarrassing
If you were told the earth is round you would say it was flat
And it's the same with your sycophantic defence of the Tories since you started posting on here
Anything negative about them and you are either defending the tossers or saying yeah but what about the other lot ?
It's pathetic