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UPDATED: David Henderson - Found guilty.
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
Always wondered why he was so quiet in the aftermarth, not a peep out of him.
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Breaking news - Henderson pleads guilty
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Whisperer
Breaking news - Henderson pleads guilty
Here you go:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-58951342
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
Wonder where this takes the case of paying for the transfer
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I was thinking that.
Could make all the difference for any managerial ambitions we may have.
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life on mars
Wonder where this takes the case of paying for the transfer
I was thinking that … interesting development
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Re: David Henderson goes on trial over charges linked to plane crash which killed Emiliano Sala
Today David Henderson initially denied two charges related to the fatal plane crash of Emiliano Sala at Cardiff Crown Court.
He later changed his plea to guilty on the count of attempting to discharge a passenger without valuable consideration.
The trial will now be held on a single count of acting in a reckless or negligent manner likely to endanger an aircraft, which he has denied.
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No money will be changing hands now.
He's not got 15 million + compensation.
No insurance company will be paying out.
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I imagine various McKays will be appearing in the witness box. I don't suppose they will have a good word to say about Cardiff City FC
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shamefull from beginning to end...
changed plea to guilty on 1 of the charges now
as will have no doubt been notified he will be losing the case big time...
rip sala
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Any idea when the case and it’s conclusion are likely to happen? I think I read early 2022 but can’t find where I saw that.
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Canton Kev
Any idea when the case and it’s conclusion are likely to happen? I think I read early 2022 but can’t find where I saw that.
The trail is expected to open tomorrow, whatever that means.
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This particular trial goes on for ten days, another trial in February 2022.not sure of the details tho.
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nugent
No money will be changing hands now.
He's not got 15 million + compensation.
No insurance company will be paying out.
Surely it will pay out for one of us, he was either ours or there’s? All these deadline day signings on SSN late at night etc…they are all insured aren’t they as they travel about signing? I just don’t get it
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I cant see any insurance company paying out, as the policy would surely be null and void, due to fact plane wasn't worthy and neither was the pilot. Is car insurance valid, when driven by an unlicensed driver or the car doesn't haven't an mot
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Enoch Mort
I imagine various McKays will be appearing in the witness box. I don't suppose they will have a good word to say about Cardiff City FC
A certain Willie McKay is listed as a prosecution witness. CCFC will have someone attending the 10 day trial to see what/if he says anything about CCFC`s involvement in the transport arrangements (he is on record of not being a fan of the club or its employees).
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Ninian1962
A certain Willie McKay is listed as a prosecution witness. CCFC will have someone attending the 10 day trial to see what/if he says anything about CCFC`s involvement in the transport arrangements (he is on record of not being a fan of the club or its employees).
Not sure why. Two of his sons were here as part of the DVP squad. I thought his other son was the one who got in touch with Sala about arranging quicker transport to Nantes?
The whole thing seems to have been done on a nod and a wink.
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Bluebirdman Of Alcathays
Not sure why. Two of his sons were here as part of the DVP squad. I thought his other son was the one who got in touch with Sala about arranging quicker transport to Nantes?
The whole thing seems to have been done on a nod and a wink.
Stinks if Willie McKay is part of the prosecution it maybe too load the blame away from him and his alleged son's strange involvement.
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life on mars
Stinks if Willie McKay is part of the prosecution it maybe too load the blame away from him and his alleged son's strange involvement.
What can Mckay be blamed for? This isn't a flippant question, i don't know what he has done which could be considered criminal.
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Tuerto
What can Mckay be blamed for? This isn't a flippant question, i don't know what he has done which could be considered criminal.
The charges relate to involvement in the transport arrangements why was Willie McKay son involved in the alleged quicker transport to /from Nantes by his , I can't understand how an unknown DVP player would play a part in conversation like this of a potential first team signing , he was not a representative of our club or Sala's friend pre signing ?
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Tuerto
What can Mckay be blamed for? This isn't a flippant question, i don't know what he has done which could be considered criminal.
It is unlikely that either McKay - father or son - has done anything criminal.
But they facilitated the flight through Henderson, they appeared to be acting (still) for Nantes during a crucial period when the status of Emiliano Sala's transfer is in dispute (adding weight to the Cardiff claim that he was still a Nantes player at the time) and Willie McKay appears to have been acting as an unregistered agent during the whole period in breach of his ban.
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jon1959
It is unlikely that either McKay - father or son - has done anything criminal.
But they facilitated the flight through Henderson, they appeared to be acting (still) for Nantes during a crucial period when the status of Emiliano Sala's transfer is in dispute (adding weight to the Cardiff claim that he was still a Nantes player at the time) and Willie McKay appears to have been acting as an unregistered agent during the whole period in breach of his ban.
Thanks for that. I thought as much.
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Welshcake.
Today David Henderson initially denied two charges related to the fatal plane crash of Emiliano Sala at Cardiff Crown Court.
He later changed his plea to guilty on the count of attempting to discharge a passenger without valuable consideration.
The trial will now be held on a single count of acting in a reckless or negligent manner likely to endanger an aircraft, which he has denied.
Does anyone know what the penalty is for this?
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Harry Paget Flashman
Does anyone know what the penalty is for this?
CAA prosecutions usually result in a fine and occasionally a suspended (short) prison sentence or community order.
There are no sentencing guidelines that I can find but the legislation states that any penalty "...must be appropriate and proportionate to the failure."
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Interesting post from the Cardiff City Forum:
A while back I posted on this in relation to Vicarious Liability
https://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/v...p?f=2&t=206206
Firstly, and this is the main priority, let us not forget that someones life was lost and his Argeninian Family, His footballing family and friends all across the globe were effected by this tragedy.
Following a death, particularly one like this, finances do come into play, and this guilty plea (In my opinion) will have an effect on the ongoing battle over "who owes what".
There are two sets of proceedings in play:
1) Criminal Proceedings - Over Sala death
2) Civil Proceedings - Between Cardiff and Nantes FC
Section 11 of the Civil Evidence Act states that if a person is found guilty in criminal proceedings then they are considered negligent in Civil Proceedings
So, if in organising the flight, Henderson was acting as an agent for Nantes FC then Nantes FC are vicariously liable for his actions.
And if he is negligent that Nantes, being vicariously liable for his actions, then become liable for any monies lost as a result of that negligence.
Monies lost could include (but not limited to)
1) Money owed to Sala family - as a result of lost income during his career.
2) Money owed to CCFC - in respect to the transfer fee
3) Money owed to CCFC - as a result of Loss of Income as a result of being deprived of his services (this could be huge given we were relegated that season).
The way I see it is as follows:
Irrespective as to anything else we owe Nantes £15m there was intention to form a contract there
As a result of being vicariously liable for Hendersons actions Nantes deprived us of the benefit of that £15m investment and civil proceedings should see it being restored to us.
I believe CCFC should also now pursue Nantes FC for Loss of Income as a result of being deprived of his services. If a Court could be persuaded that we would have stayed up then we could be looking at 1,2 or even 3 years worth of Premier League Income.
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life on mars
Interesting post from the Cardiff City Forum:
A while back I posted on this in relation to Vicarious Liability
https://www.cardiffcityforum.co.uk/v...p?f=2&t=206206
Firstly, and this is the main priority, let us not forget that someones life was lost and his Argeninian Family, His footballing family and friends all across the globe were effected by this tragedy.
Following a death, particularly one like this, finances do come into play, and this guilty plea (In my opinion) will have an effect on the ongoing battle over "who owes what".
There are two sets of proceedings in play:
1) Criminal Proceedings - Over Sala death
2) Civil Proceedings - Between Cardiff and Nantes FC
Section 11 of the Civil Evidence Act states that if a person is found guilty in criminal proceedings then they are considered negligent in Civil Proceedings
So, if in organising the flight, Henderson was acting as an agent for Nantes FC then Nantes FC are vicariously liable for his actions.
And if he is negligent that Nantes, being vicariously liable for his actions, then become liable for any monies lost as a result of that negligence.
Monies lost could include (but not limited to)
1) Money owed to Sala family - as a result of lost income during his career.
2) Money owed to CCFC - in respect to the transfer fee
3) Money owed to CCFC - as a result of Loss of Income as a result of being deprived of his services (this could be huge given we were relegated that season).
The way I see it is as follows:
Irrespective as to anything else we owe Nantes £15m there was intention to form a contract there
As a result of being vicariously liable for Hendersons actions Nantes deprived us of the benefit of that £15m investment and civil proceedings should see it being restored to us.
I believe CCFC should also now pursue Nantes FC for Loss of Income as a result of being deprived of his services. If a Court could be persuaded that we would have stayed up then we could be looking at 1,2 or even 3 years worth of Premier League Income.
Everything makes sense to me except for that last paragraph.
There's no court in the world would rule on us staying up or not had he played for us.
No way.
And I cant see any blame going past the aeroplane company and or the pilot.
Nantes is not culpable neither is cardiff city.
If I ordered you a taxi and you ended up in a crash, and it turns out the taxi driver has an expired licence and the car was faulty then its the company's fault. Simple as
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Interesting statement from the prosecution....“It is the prosecution case that Mr Henderson as the operator, a word we will come back to, of N264DB organised these flights for Emiliano Sala to be flown from Cardiff to France and back at a time when Cardiff City Football Club were in the process of signing Mr Sala.
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nugent
Everything makes sense to me except for that last paragraph.
There's no court in the world would rule on us staying up or not had he played for us.
No way.
And I cant see any blame going past the aeroplane company and or the pilot.
Nantes is not culpable neither is cardiff city.
If I ordered you a taxi and you ended up in a crash, and it turns out the taxi driver has an expired licence and the car was faulty then its the company's fault. Simple as
Wishful thinking but it's never that simple
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Toadstool
Interesting statement from the prosecution....“It is the prosecution case that Mr Henderson as the operator, a word we will come back to, of N264DB organised these flights for Emiliano Sala to be flown from Cardiff to France and back at a time when Cardiff City Football Club were in the process of signing Mr Sala.
I noticed that. Interesting turn of phrase.
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The defence hasn't had it's say yet, but some of the messages to and from Henderson given by the prosecution today are pretty damning. Looks like he knew full well that Ibbotson shouldn't have been flying that plane. https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...trial-21887929
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WJ99mobile
Wishful thinking but it's never that simple
It really is that simple.
You jump in a taxi, you don't ask to see the drivers licence do you?
You entrust the taxi company to provide you with a competent driver.
Henderson looks to be the owner of the plane and organised the flight.
He'll go down
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Undercoverinwurzelland
The defence hasn't had it's say yet, but some of the messages to and from Henderson given by the prosecution today are pretty damning. Looks like he knew full well that Ibbotson shouldn't have been flying that plane.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/w...trial-21887929
Wow, talk about self incrimination. This trial should be over in hours rather than weeks!
One massive unanswered questioned. Who hired Henderson?
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Des Parrot
Wow, talk about self incrimination. This trial should be over in hours rather than weeks!
One massive unanswered questioned. Who hired Henderson?
This report says the jury was told that McKay asked Henderson to organise the flight and was asked to provide £4k as 'float'
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...droidApp_Other
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Madassa
Wasn't Willie McKay banned from acting as an agent at the time, hence the involvement of his sons (even though Willie McKay was still controlling the whole transfer)?
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The Bloop
Wasn't Willie McKay banned from acting as an agent at the time, hence the involvement of his sons (even though Willie McKay was still controlling the whole transfer)?
That's how I understand it. I also read that McKay was an 'adviser' to Nantes and had previously pestered Sala about being able to organise a lucrative move to the EPL. This isn't strictly relevant to the court case I guess but as we've already seen facts will emerge which may shed some light on the shenanigons surrounding the deal..Of course it shouldn't be forgotten that two people needlessly lost their lives but it.will be interesting to learn more of the facts rather than speculation.
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nugent
It really is that simple.
You jump in a taxi, you don't ask to see the drivers licence do you?
You entrust the taxi company to provide you with a competent driver.
Henderson looks to be the owner of the plane and organised the flight.
He'll go down
Plane was registered in USA and owned through a company called Cool Flourish in UK. Basically, they rented the aircraft out.
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So, why was Sala flown back and forth from France, I know it’s been said it was to say goodbye to his teammates but if so, who instructed McKay to get the flights sorted - if it intimately came from the french club surely then that could be the situation Cardiff are waiting for?
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Originally Posted by
nugent
It really is that simple.
You jump in a taxi, you don't ask to see the drivers licence do you?
You entrust the taxi company to provide you with a competent driver.
Henderson looks to be the owner of the plane and organised the flight.
He'll go down
Who asked Henderson to sort the flight? Nantes? Or an agent?
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Didn't one of McKays' sons tell Sala his Dad could sort a flight to suit his timescales?