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Would Rob Page make a good Cardiff City manager?
Whilst it's fair to say that this is Giggs's Wales team, he has done a great job.
Would you be happy for him to step into the City hotseat, if we changed manager this season?
(I'm not trying to get McCarthy out, just trying to get some Cardiff chat going). :ayatollah:
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It will be interesting to see what happens if Giggs does come back as Page has done his chances of getting a job at club level no harm.
I also can’t imagine he’d be happy reverting back to an assistant role given that this tournament has elevated his profile.
As for city, if we have a poor season and then Giggs does come back in Jan / Feb then Page just may be an option worth considering.
Not sure how most would react though given the success of the Paul Trollope experiment after the last Euros.
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Calm down. We’ve had one good performance against the worst team in the tournament.
For all his confidence with the media he’s also been very naive. He reverted back to the false 9 bollox for the Italy game, a system which clearly didn’t work when he tried it in both warm up games. It could have cost us dearly had the Italians had their shooting boots on 1st half.
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He certainly didn’t pull up any trees as manager of Port Vale or Northampton.
I think the likelihood of Giggs returning is remote anyway.
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J R Hartley
Calm down. We’ve had one good performance against the worst team in the tournament.
For all his confidence with the media he’s also been very naive. He reverted back to the false 9 bollox for the Italy game, a system which clearly didn’t work when he tried it in both warm up games. It could have cost us dearly had the Italians had their shooting boots on 1st half.
Yeah, I hate this 'false 9' bullshit when we have a 'real 9' in the squad.. and also others who can play the 9 role.
'False 9', fecks sake.. who does he think he is, Pep?
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The Lone Gunman
He certainly didn’t pull up any trees as manager of Port Vale or Northampton.
I think the likelihood of Giggs returning is remote anyway.
Something similar could be said of Chris Coleman. Did an ok job at Fulham but was nothing special at Coventry and was deemed a bit of an uninspiring choice when given the Welsh job. There's clearly a difference between managing at club and at international level.
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AfricanBluebird
Yeah, I hate this 'false 9' bullshit when we have a 'real 9' in the squad.. and also others who can play the 9 role.
'False 9', fecks sake.. who does he think he is, Pep?
Why do players playing in the 'false 9' role wear the number 9 shirt? :sherlock:
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I've seen more management come from Bale than Page.
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AfricanBluebird
Yeah, I hate this 'false 9' bullshit when we have a 'real 9' in the squad.. and also others who can play the 9 role.
'False 9', fecks sake.. who does he think he is, Pep?
It’s a nonsense. Only the very, very best teams in the world can play with a ‘false 9’ and be successful. Teams that have the technical ability to keep and dominate the football. Like a Man City or a Barcelona under Pep. Even Liverpool have been found wanting this season playing a false 9.
By all means a Wales v a side like Italy let’s get everyone behind the ball when we haven’t got it but it showed when Kieffer come on we needed so wine to lead the line, hold the ball up, win free kicks to take the pressure off. We did not have that before he come on and how the **** it was only 1-0 at the break was more luck than judgement.
I get not risking Kiefer from the start but put Tyler Roberts up there, or Bale even. Certainly not Aaron Ramsey. He was meat and drink to the Italian centre half’s when the ball was launched up to him.
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J R Hartley
It’s a nonsense. Only the very, very best teams in the world can play with a ‘false 9’ and be successful. Teams that have the technical ability to keep and dominate the football. Like a Man City or a Barcelona under Pep. Even Liverpool have been found wanting this season playing a false 9.
By all means a Wales v a side like Italy let’s get everyone behind the ball when we haven’t got it but it showed when Kieffer come on we needed so wine to lead the line, hold the ball up, win free kicks to take the pressure off. We did not have that before he come on and how the **** it was only 1-0 at the break was more luck than judgement.
I get not risking Kiefer from the start but put Tyler Roberts up there, or Bale even. Certainly not Aaron Ramsey. He was meat and drink to the Italian centre half’s when the ball was launched up to him.
Alternatively, if you're playing with a false 9, don't launch the ball up to the opposition box as there will be nobody there to win it.
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Rjk
Alternatively, if you're playing with a false 9, don't launch the ball up to the opposition box as there will be nobody there to win it.
It seems clear that Giggs wanted to play this way and RP has tried to carry that ethos through.
Problem was it didn't work and we go back to basics.
I think it has become clear to him that Kieffer has got to start the game against Denmark but this will mean their favoured football style will have to take a back seat.
Hope it works as we will be already using our plan B.
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I could manage Wales and look good .
"pass the ball to Bale or Ramsey" .
Job done..
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Seems like another Mike Flynn type thread. Hey he's Welsh, would he do a good job for us ? Based on his previous record at league level I doubt it.
I can never understand the preoccupation some people have with us as a team promoting Welshness, either on the managerial or playing front.
Give me quality everytime over where a player or manager hails from.
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The Hooded Claw
Whilst it's fair to say that this is Giggs's Wales team, he has done a great job.
Would you be happy for him to step into the City hotseat, if we changed manager this season?
(I'm not trying to get McCarthy out, just trying to get some Cardiff chat going). :ayatollah:
Only if he brings Bale and Ramsey with him.
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J R Hartley
Calm down. We’ve had one good performance against the worst team in the tournament.
For all his confidence with the media he’s also been very naive. He reverted back to the false 9 bollox for the Italy game, a system which clearly didn’t work when he tried it in both warm up games. It could have cost us dearly had the Italians had their shooting boots on 1st half.
We’ve had great results under Page in the Nations League, we gave Belgium a scare in March and while were lucky to best the Czech Republic, we still found a way to do it.
Are you saying that qualifying in second place from a group where we had to play two games in sweltering conditions 3,000 miles away and the other against Italy in Rome is just something routine that we should not be impressed by?
I’m far from convinced that Rob Page would be a good City manager, but think he should be given a lot of credit for coming in and doing a good job for Wales under difficult circumstances.
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Moodybluebird
Seems like another Mike Flynn type thread...
The biggest similarity is that we simply don't know whether they would work out here.
Mike Flynn has done relatively well at League 2 at the club he knows better than anyone but no evidence of his work elsewhere.
Rob Page, from what I can remember, didn't do good things as a club boss but hasn't been a club boss since January 2017 which is a very long time ago in the world of football. He has done okay (maybe a bit better than that) in tough circumstances recently but we know international football is very different.
Lack of evidence to make a judgement off.
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the other bob wilson
We’ve had great results under Page in the Nations League, we gave Belgium a scare in March and while were lucky to best the Czech Republic, we still found a way to do it.
Are you saying that qualifying in second place from a group where we had to play two games in sweltering conditions 3,000 miles away and the other against Italy in Rome is just something routine that we should not be impressed by?
I’m far from convinced that Rob Page would be a good City manager, but think he should be given a lot of credit for coming in and doing a good job for Wales under difficult circumstances.
You’re not seriously giving him the credit for the nations league games? :hehe: :hehe:
Since he started putting his own stamp on things Wales have had one victory in 5 against the worst team in the tournament. Only under public pressure has he started with Kieffer Moore this tournament, it was not his intention.
Anyone who thinks playing Chris Gunter a left sided centre half against the Italians needs a good shoeing.
Taking Dan James straight off after we equalised against the Swiss was another diabolical decision.
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AfricanBluebird
Yeah, I hate this 'false 9' bullshit when we have a 'real 9' in the squad.. and also others who can play the 9 role.
'False 9', fecks sake.. who does he think he is, Pep?
At least he realised it wasn't working and decided to bring Keiffer on.
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NYCBlue
At least he realised it wasn't working and decided to bring Keiffer on.
Bale probably told him at HT. Bale is running that show.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IICt-tGoTtg
Tifo football (think they're part of The Athletic family) talking our tactics against Italy between 33:30-39:30 here.
The comment at 37:30 is relevant for this thread. Though I do think Page is backed up by some really good staff.
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Following on from the Flynn suggestion ive been waiting for this one.
No is the answer.
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Taunton Blue Genie
Why do players playing in the 'false 9' role wear the number 9 shirt? :sherlock:
They're masquerading as a 9, but its all false!
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NYCBlue
At least he realised it wasn't working and decided to bring Keiffer on.
He said post match that he had had no intention of playing Moore, and when we went down to 10 men he only eventually brought him on because his coaches told him to. He didn't want to do it.
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surge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IICt-tGoTtg
Tifo football (think they're part of The Athletic family) talking our tactics against Italy between 33:30-39:30 here.
The comment at 37:30 is relevant for this thread. Though I do think Page is backed up by some really good staff.
Interesting and mostly intelligent stuff. But I could get past why the bloke who spoke the most sense has his laptop covered in stickers. What's up with that?
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NYCBlue
Interesting and mostly intelligent stuff. But I could get past why the bloke who spoke the most sense has his laptop covered in stickers. What's up with that?
Actually, that's inaccurate. I could get past it. I just thought it was strange.
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[QUOTE='False 9', fecks sake.. who does he think he is, Pep?[/QUOTE]
:hehe::hehe::hehe:
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J R Hartley
You’re not seriously giving him the credit for the nations league games? :hehe: :hehe:
Since he started putting his own stamp on things Wales have had one victory in 5 against the worst team in the tournament. Only under public pressure has he started with Kieffer Moore this tournament, it was not his intention.
Anyone who thinks playing Chris Gunter a left sided centre half against the Italians needs a good shoeing.
Taking Dan James straight off after we equalised against the Swiss was another diabolical decision.
Yes i am giving Page credit for making sure we won our Nations League group with its promotion into the top tier and chance of qualifying for the next World Cup which went with it. Bizarrely, I can only ever remember you being supportive of Neil Harris among City and Wales managers of the recent past, but, if a Wales boss you rated had done the same as Page did in the Nations League, I don't think you'd be as quick to write it off.
Scotland's latest failure to qualify from the group stages of a major competitions Finals gives a good opportunity to put some perspective on what Rob Page (and Chris Coleman who also had his critics among Welsh fans) have achieved in the last two Euros. Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson are among the managers who have been unbale to achieve for Scotland what Page and Coleman have done for Wales.
You can have a go at individual decisions (I'm definitely not a fan of Wales playing with a "false" number nine) as much as you like, but the bigger picture is that Page got us through a tough group in which I'm pretty sure we had to do more travelling than any other side in the competition and I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up playing our games at the highest average temperature of the twenty four sides.
Page might not make a good City manager, but he has been an effective and successful one for Wales.
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It is an achievement what hes done. But lets be honest. We were fortunate to get a point against Switzerland and very fortunate not to be totally hammered v Italy.
We are so reliant on Bale and Ramsey being on the top of their game.
Im concerned with a manager who picks Chris Gunter , selects a Luton reserve and thinks Rodon/Mepham is a superb partnership.
Saying that ive no idea really how good Page is.
City had stick off some for our 2nd half display v Swansea despite restricting them to 1 short on target and creating the best chance. Whereas Wales get a free pass being dominated by Italy in 3rd gear and even subbing their keeper.
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Hilts
It is an achievement what hes done. But lets be honest. We were fortunate to get a point against Switzerland and very fortunate not to be totally hammered v Italy.
We are so reliant on Bale and Ramsey being on the top of their game.
Im concerned with a manager who picks Chris Gunter , selects a Luton reserve and thinks Rodon/Mepham is a superb partnership.
Saying that ive no idea really how good Page is.
City had stick off some for our 2nd half display v Swansea despite restricting them to 1 short on target and creating the best chance. Whereas Wales get a free pass being dominated by Italy in 3rd gear and even subbing their keeper.
Isn't the point that, once the decision to exclude Davies and Mepham had been made, you only had a choice out of Gunter and Cobango - I would have gone with the latter, but Gunter has not got one hundred and two caps for no reason, he's one of those players who seems able to make the jump to international football easier than you would think and I think you can count the number of really poor games he's had for Wales on the fingers of one hand. As for the Luton reserve, once it had been decided Ampadu was going to start in defence and Ramsey in a more advanced position, his selection makes more sense when you consider that the realistic alternatives were someone who played for Doncaster Rovers last season or someone who couldn't get in the Istra 1961 first team.
Finally, is your Italy/Swansea comparison a fair one? Italy, even with all of those changes, were better than virtually anyone else in the tournament , Swansea are a good Championship side with a few limitations - City were booting the ball up the pitch to no one in the second half at the Liberty despite, unlike wales, having eleven players on the pitch for the last thirty five minutes of the match.
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Originally Posted by
Hilts
It is an achievement what hes done. But lets be honest. We were fortunate to get a point against Switzerland and very fortunate not to be totally hammered v Italy.
We are so reliant on Bale and Ramsey being on the top of their game.
Im concerned with a manager who picks Chris Gunter , selects a Luton reserve and thinks Rodon/Mepham is a superb partnership.
Saying that ive no idea really how good Page is.
City had stick off some for our 2nd half display v Swansea despite restricting them to 1 short on target and creating the best chance. Whereas Wales get a free pass being dominated by Italy in 3rd gear and even subbing their keeper.
The Swiss had a tough travel itinerary, Baku, Rome then back to Baku, some air miles there. The Turks although later having two ‘home’ games were unfortunate to have the dubious honour of opening the tournament in Rome, seemed to knock the stuffing(:getscoat:) out
of them immediately. Great achievement to qualify though given we were most probably the 4th fancied team in our group.
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the other bob wilson
Isn't the point that, once the decision to exclude Davies and Mepham had been made, you only had a choice out of Gunter and Cobango - I would have gone with the latter, but Gunter has not got one hundred and two caps for no reason, he's one of those players who seems able to make the jump to international football easier than you would think and I think you can count the number of really poor games he's had for Wales on the fingers of one hand. As for the Luton reserve, once it had been decided Ampadu was going to start in defence and Ramsey in a more advanced position, his selection makes more sense when you consider that the realistic alternatives were someone who played for Doncaster Rovers last season or someone who couldn't get in the Istra 1961 first team.
Finally, is your Italy/Swansea comparison a fair one? Italy, even with all of those changes, were better than virtually anyone else in the tournament , Swansea are a good Championship side with a few limitations - City were booting the ball up the pitch to no one in the second half at the Liberty despite, unlike wales, having eleven players on the pitch for the last thirty five minutes of the match.
Yes the Swansea comparison isnt really fair ability wise. However they were going all out for the equaliser im not convinced Italy broke sweat.
My point is City get stick for that 2nd half performance when really it was a superb defensive effort in a game we should have wrapped up in the 1st.
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Not really. He hasn’t achieved very much yet. Got away with it against the Swiss, if Turkey had a decent centre forward, they would have won. Then, got beaten by Italy’s reserve team, who also should have scored more. This Saturday at 7pm Wales will be on the plane back to Rhodes airport and Denmark will be in to the last 8. That’s the difference.Anyone who thinks Wales are favourites for this one, better think again.
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NYCBlue
Interesting and mostly intelligent stuff. But I could get past why the bloke who spoke the most sense has his laptop covered in stickers. What's up with that?
Thank you for having a look. I noticed us having a flat four instead of a striker until Moore came on but caught up in the emotion of it too much to see what our defensive strategy behind this might be.
Regarding stickers, maybe trying to access the youth market? :hehe:
UEFA seeded Denmark 15th before the draw which in theory makes it our easiest game so far with Turkey seeded 14th, but I think FIFA's current rank of Denmark at 10th in the world and 7th in Europe is probably more accurate. It's a tough game on the weekend but hopefully we win and I can watch it back unscathed to see what our strategy is for this game.
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Ivortheengine
Not really. He hasn’t achieved very much yet. Got away with it against the Swiss, if Turkey had a decent centre forward, they would have won. Then, got beaten by Italy’s reserve team, who also should have scored more. This Saturday at 7pm Wales will be on the plane back to Rhodes airport and Denmark will be in to the last 8. That’s the difference.Anyone who thinks Wales are favourites for this one, better think again.
Italy’s reserve team, bit dismissive, doubt there’s much between a football nation like Italy’s 11 best footballers and the next best 11 footballers. Hardly the ragged arse rovers.
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surge
Thank you for having a look. I noticed us having a flat four instead of a striker until Moore came on but caught up in the emotion of it too much to see what our defensive strategy behind this might be.
Regarding stickers, maybe trying to access the youth market? :hehe:
UEFA seeded Denmark 15th before the draw which in theory makes it our easiest game so far with Turkey seeded 14th, but I think FIFA's current rank of Denmark at 10th in the world and 7th in Europe is probably more accurate. It's a tough game on the weekend but hopefully we win and I can watch it back unscathed to see what our strategy is for this game.
Thanks for posting it. I'll watch them again.
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Wonder what Mr Hartley would make of that remark from "the bloke who spoke the most sense" about Rob Page being "really smart"?
Thought the bloke who described himself as a smart arse was bang on about English refs.
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the other bob wilson
Wonder what Mr Hartley would make of that remark from "the bloke who spoke the most sense" about Rob Page being "really smart"?
Thought the bloke who described himself as a smart arse was bang on about English refs.
Eh?
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the other bob wilson
Yes i am giving Page credit for making sure we won our Nations League group with its promotion into the top tier and chance of qualifying for the next World Cup which went with it. Bizarrely, I can only ever remember you being supportive of Neil Harris among City and Wales managers of the recent past, but, if a Wales boss you rated had done the same as Page did in the Nations League, I don't think you'd be as quick to write it off.
Scotland's latest failure to qualify from the group stages of a major competitions Finals gives a good opportunity to put some perspective on what Rob Page (and Chris Coleman who also had his critics among Welsh fans) have achieved in the last two Euros. Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson are among the managers who have been unbale to achieve for Scotland what Page and Coleman have done for Wales.
You can have a go at individual decisions (I'm definitely not a fan of Wales playing with a "false" number nine) as much as you like, but the bigger picture is that Page got us through a tough group in which I'm pretty sure we had to do more travelling than any other side in the competition and I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up playing our games at the highest average temperature of the twenty four sides.
Page might not make a good City manager, but he has been an effective and successful one for Wales.
Wrong. I was supportive of Coleman and Giggs, especially Giggs. What he has done bringing the youngsters through and qualifying at the first attempt is nothing short of remarkable.
As for the comparison to Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson that doesnt deserve a really I am afraid.
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J R Hartley
Wrong. I was supportive of Coleman and Giggs, especially Giggs. What he has done bringing the youngsters through and qualifying at the first attempt is nothing short of remarkable.
As for the comparison to Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson that doesnt deserve a really I am afraid.
So Giggs is praised for getting us to the finals of a competition and Page isn't for taking us a stage further?
The only comparison I'm making between Rob Page and Chris Coleman and Jock Stein and Alex Ferguson is that the first two have done something that the other two couldn't with what were arguably stronger squads than the Welsh ones - apart from my voicing an opinion about the relative strengths of those squads, the rest of what I say if factual surely?