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Wales and England today....
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Not meaning to get this political but given the events of the last few days the lockdown in England is over.
How can people be expected to respect it and avoid beaches given the mixed messages and blatant disregard for their own advice?
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Originally Posted by
Jordi Culé
:wave:
There your wave.
It’s all we ever hear, people not listening in parks in London a month ago, VE Day street parties etc.....it’s just not happening though, in fact in London it’s almost gone. In wales there’s barely been any.....I’m starting to wonder about the Truman show conspiracy :sherlock:
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Originally Posted by
goats
:wave:
There your wave.
It’s all we ever hear, people not listening in parks in London a month ago, VE Day street parties etc.....it’s just not happening though, in fact in London it’s almost gone. In wales there’s barely been any.....I’m starting to wonder about the Truman show conspiracy :sherlock:
You are joking I take it? Lisvane Blue has mentioned about the Sunday Telegraph article this weekend in another thread
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...age-mp-blames/
Look at the graphs for the number of people in hospital by region in the briefings every day - Wales' is barely moving downwards. I live in an area with a death rate which is bad by the standards of the Rhondda Valley - there's been far more than "barely any" up here.
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Originally Posted by
the other bob wilson
You are joking I take it? Lisvane Blue has mentioned about the Sunday Telegraph article this weekend in another thread
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...age-mp-blames/
Look at the graphs for the number of people in hospital by region in the briefings every day - Wales' is barely moving downwards. I live in an area with a death rate which is bad by the standards of the Rhondda Valley - there's been far more than "barely any" up here.
I’m sure the ICU staff will be pleased there are ‘barely any’ today. Well I hope they enjoy their breather as another wave is inevitable. I fear that the government’s non disguised contempt for the country will bear further devastation.
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Originally Posted by
goats
:wave:
There your wave.
It’s all we ever hear, people not listening in parks in London a month ago, VE Day street parties etc.....it’s just not happening though, in fact in London it’s almost gone. In wales there’s barely been any.....I’m starting to wonder about the Truman show conspiracy :sherlock:
Covid19 is beaten then? Great news, let’s open up all the pubs, restaurants and get the football back on (with crowds).
There’s **** all to worry about.:thumbup:
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Re: Wales and England today....
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Originally Posted by
goats
:wave:
There your wave.
It’s all we ever hear, people not listening in parks in London a month ago, VE Day street parties etc.....it’s just not happening though, in fact in London it’s almost gone. In wales there’s barely been any.....I’m starting to wonder about the Truman show conspiracy :sherlock:
Both pandemics seemed to have reached, and subsequently passed, their peak - Coronavirus and Hysteria.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Both pandemics seemed to have reached, and subsequently passed, their peak - Coronavirus and Hysteria.
I agree with that. Replacing hysteria with complacency and poor judgement is a concern though.
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Both pandemics seemed to have reached, and subsequently passed, their peak - Coronavirus and Hysteria.
And that was the last anyone heard of coronavirus.
All over! Phew!
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In the parks I walked through in London yesterday social distancing was being well respected. Those beaches do look stupidly packed though.
I do think it’s easy to make busy areas looked more crowded and grouped together in photographs mind.
I can’t believe people are acting like this is beat though, if this isn’t carefully managed there will easily be a second peak. You only have to look at China and Korea for how things can quickly go wrong.
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Re: Wales and England today....
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Originally Posted by
goats
:wave:
There your wave.
It’s all we ever hear, people not listening in parks in London a month ago, VE Day street parties etc.....it’s just not happening though, in fact in London it’s almost gone. In wales there’s barely been any.....I’m starting to wonder about the Truman show conspiracy :sherlock:
I’d like to know where in London people weren’t listening in parks?
How can you say there’s barely been any in wales? Some valleys have had averages higher than anywhere in England and still do.
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Think one may consider Wales is on a downward spiral :
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-51888681
Over the weekend I had to get out and about and found the 2 meter ruling extremely well observed, and politely so , many more people about , nice hello's and nods when one has to make way for others , which can be awkward at times .
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Originally Posted by
superfeathers
Not meaning to get this political but given the events of the last few days the lockdown in England is over.
How can people be expected to respect it and avoid beaches given the mixed messages and blatant disregard for their own advice?
I think you've got to give credit to the vast majority of people, who regardless of the behaviour of public figures have enough common sense not to put themselves or members of their community at risk.
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
You only have to look at China and Korea for how things can quickly go wrong.
What happened in China and Korea?
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Originally Posted by
A Quiet Monkfish
Both pandemics seemed to have reached, and subsequently passed, their peak - Coronavirus and Hysteria.
The second bit is kind of ironic coming from you, isn't it?
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
What happened in China and Korea?
They’ve both had spikes in infections following the rules being relaxed. Korea has over 100 just from one night in a nightclub.
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
They’ve both had spikes in infections following the rules being relaxed. Korea has over 100 just from one night in a nightclub.
According to the latest figures, South Korea had just 19 new cases yesterday and two deaths, bringing their total deaths to 269. That's from a population of 52 million. Their spike looks a bit blunt to me.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
According to the latest figures, South Korea had just 19 new cases yesterday and two deaths, bringing their total deaths to 269. That's from a population of 52 million. Their spike looks a bit blunt to me.
It was a couple of weeks ago, it wasn’t a huge spike but they did have one and They reacted to it well.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/sout...se-second-wave
They’ve managed the whole thing very well since they had experience with SARS etc. And even they ended up with a jump in infections.
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
It was a couple of weeks ago, it wasn’t a huge spike but they did have one and They reacted to it well.
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/sout...se-second-wave
They’ve managed the whole thing very well since they had experience with SARS etc. And even they ended up with a jump in infections.
I think that is the point. There is little that can be done to prevent a second rise in infected people other than maintaining lockdown for ever which is impractical. But if you can have a system and a plan in place to control and track down outbreaks and ring fience it as best you can then the rest of the country might be able to carry on trying to get back to normal.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
I think that is the point. There is little that can be done to prevent a second rise in infected people other than maintaining lockdown for ever which is impractical. But if you can have a system and a plan in place to control and track down outbreaks and ring fience it as best you can then the rest of the country might be able to carry on trying to get back to normal.
I think you have to be reactive if it does start to jump up too. The economy needs to start up again so the best way to get back to normal is track and trace and restrict things slightly if things get worse.
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Originally Posted by
Croesy Blue
I think you have to be reactive if it does start to jump up too. The economy needs to start up again so the best way to get back to normal is track and trace and restrict things slightly if things get worse.
Yes but the hope is if you can impose track and trace enough you can do local lockdowns without stalling the whole country. Inshallah!
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if it helps starting the economy again i can spend some money now :thumbup: my SEISS hit my bank account this morning
cheers Rishi :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
I think that is the point. There is little that can be done to prevent a second rise in infected people other than maintaining lockdown for ever which is impractical.
Precisely. Our government have made a hopeless mess of dealing with this virus from day one and it's been a national disgrace, but putting that to one side for a minute, the simple fact is that people cannot and will not live in a state of lockdown indefinitely, especially when all of the evidence suggests that a large majority of the population are extremely unlikely to suffer any major ill effects from Covid-19, let alone die from it.
Although cracks of one sort or another began appearing in the lockdown almost from day one, I nevertheless believe that most people have dealt with this situation remarkably well and in good faith. However, having been locked away for almost all of the spring, the population isn't going to accept being locked away for the whole of the summer too, and I don't think that's at all unreasonable.
Whether we'll see a significant second spike in infections and deaths remains to be seen, but I'd be willing to bet that a large majority of the British public would be prepared to take a chance on that right now in a bid to get back to some sort of normality.
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The next fortnight will be crucial for the UK, if in England people start dropping like flies after their beach visits etc I’d imagine a tighter lockdown will be enforced. On the other hand if they emerge relatively unscathed a relaxing of conditions may occur. I think the English offering themselves as guinea pigs has been a very noble gesture.
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Precisely. Our government have made a hopeless mess of dealing with this virus from day one and it's been a national disgrace, but putting that to one side for a minute, the simple fact is that people cannot and will not live in a state of lockdown indefinitely, especially when all of the evidence suggests that a large majority of the population are extremely unlikely to suffer any major ill effects from Covid-19, let alone die from it.
Although cracks of one sort or another began appearing in the lockdown almost from day one, I nevertheless believe that most people have dealt with this situation remarkably well and in good faith. However, having been locked away for almost all of the spring, the population isn't going to accept being locked away for the whole of the summer too, and I don't think that's at all unreasonable.
Whether we'll see a significant second spike in infections and deaths remains to be seen, but I'd be willing to bet that a large majority of the British public would be prepared to take a chance on that right now in a bid to get back to some sort of normality.
What bothers me is that the Welsh Government is still talking about small cautious steps on Friday, but the next three week extension of the lock-down starts today or the last one ended yesterday and they haven't renewed it. It isn't really clear, they haven't told us one way or the other. If the English side of the border starts to be more relaxed even more than it is now it really will cause problems.
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Re: Wales and England today....
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Originally Posted by
The Lone Gunman
Precisely. Our government have made a hopeless mess of dealing with this virus from day one and it's been a national disgrace, but putting that to one side for a minute, the simple fact is that people cannot and will not live in a state of lockdown indefinitely, especially when all of the evidence suggests that a large majority of the population are extremely unlikely to suffer any major ill effects from Covid-19, let alone die from it.
Although cracks of one sort or another began appearing in the lockdown almost from day one, I nevertheless believe that most people have dealt with this situation remarkably well and in good faith. However, having been locked away for almost all of the spring, the population isn't going to accept being locked away for the whole of the summer too, and I don't think that's at all unreasonable.
Whether we'll see a significant second spike in infections and deaths remains to be seen, but I'd be willing to bet that a large majority of the British public would be prepared to take a chance on that right now in a bid to get back to some sort of normality.
Not sure I agree with your last paragraph. Whilst there may be some people willing to take a risk, I wouldn't say it's the majority, let alone a large majority. In fact based on people I've spoken to and many comments I've read online, the majority of people feel uneasy about returning to normality at present. They have genuine concerns that we haven't seen the back of this pandemic yet and believe that the easing of lockdown measures should not be rushed through.
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Originally Posted by
splott parker
The next fortnight will be crucial for the UK, if in England people start dropping like flies after their beach visits etc I’d imagine a tighter lockdown will be enforced.
Good luck to them with that. Can you imagine the UK public accepting the idea of going back into some sort of tight lockdown while the rest of Europe continues to ease their restrictions? I can't see it. People had generally been compliant until the last two or three weeks but I think the genie is well and truly out of the bottle now, in England especially.
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
Not sure I agree with your last paragraph. Whilst there may be some people willing to take a risk, I wouldn't say it's the majority, let alone a large majority. In fact based on people I've spoken to and many comments I've read online, the majority of people feel uneasy about returning to normality at present. They have genuine concerns that we haven't seen the back of this pandemic yet and believe that the easing of lockdown measures should not be rushed through.
I think the problem is that the people you read on line or are wheeled out by the press and TV channels are the ones that have an opinion and clearly the opinion they want to demonstrate. The vast majority don't. This can be witnessed by the Brexit debacle where the Liberal Democrats looked at the 1.000,00 people demonstrating against it and thought the majority of the country didn't want it, but forgot about the other 63,000,000 who weren't demonstrating and just want it finished.
The vast majority of people are not totally risk averse and the average person's thinking is that it happens to everyone else not me, so they will go back to normal as quick as they can until something personal happens to them or their family.
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Originally Posted by
Moodybluebird
Not sure I agree with your last paragraph. Whilst there may be some people willing to take a risk, I wouldn't say it's the majority, let alone a large majority. In fact based on people I've spoken to and many comments I've read online, the majority of people feel uneasy about returning to normality at present. They have genuine concerns that we haven't seen the back of this pandemic yet and believe that the easing of lockdown measures should not be rushed through.
Fair enough, but based on my own experiences during the last couple of weeks I think people have had just about enough. For example, in my block of ten flats I hadn't see any of the residents breach any of the social distancing guidelines during the first five or six weeks of the lockdown. Since then, I've witnessed every single household doing so and some on a very regular basis too. We're quite a diverse bunch, but nobody has been sticking religiously to the rules for several weeks.
I'm guessing most of us are still following the guidelines reasonably closely while we're out and about, but a lot of people are a great deal more relaxed now. I've noticed that everywhere - at home, in work, when shopping and while out on the streets.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
I think the problem is that the people you read on line or are wheeled out by the press and TV channels are the ones that have an opinion and clearly the opinion they want to demonstrate. The vast majority don't. This can be witnessed by the Brexit debacle where the Liberal Democrats looked at the 1.000,00 people demonstrating against it and thought the majority of the country didn't want it, but forgot about the other 63,000,000 who weren't demonstrating and just want it finished.
The vast majority of people are not totally risk averse and the average person's thinking is that it happens to everyone else not me, so they will go back to normal as quick as they can until something personal happens to them or their family.
Hang on, I really don't want this thread to become about Brexit, but have you just claimed that 63,000,000 people want it finished purely because they weren't among the 1.000,00 (sic) people demonstrating against it?
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Originally Posted by
CCFCC3PO
Hang on, I really don't want this thread to become about Brexit, but have you just claimed that 63,000,000 people want it finished purely because they weren't among the 1.000,00 (sic) people demonstrating against it?
The figure is just an estimate of the population of UK that didn't demonstrate in london on that huge demo. But you being you now I expect you'll want the names addresses and mobile numbers of them all.
The point is people look at he people saying X to something and are blinded to the ones who are not saying X. So with this, the people on the TV and quoted in news reels are not the silent majority, and it is those to whom TLG and I were referring.
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
The figure is just an estimate of the population of UK that didn't demonstrate in london on that huge demo. But you being you now I expect you'll want the names addresses and mobile numbers of them all.
That didn't answer my question. Are you saying that all the people that didn't protest in London want Brexit finished?
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Originally Posted by
CCFCC3PO
That didn't answer my question. Are you saying that all the people that didn't protest in London want Brexit finished?
Why are you so pedantic. I think that the result of the general election would indicate that the vast majority of people of voting age who didn't demonstrate wanted it done.
If you want to know the exact number who didn't demonstrate why don't you use your superior powers to research the bits of information that suit the argument you want to pick. don't bother me. you know my opinion of you and your demands for links etc. if you want them find your own
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Originally Posted by
xsnaggle
Why are you so pedantic. I think that the result of the general election would indicate that the vast majority of people of voting age who didn't demonstrate wanted it done.
If you want to know the exact number who didn't demonstrate why don't you use your superior powers to research the bits of information that suit the argument you want to pick. don't bother me. you know my opinion of you and your demands for links etc. if you want them find your own
Again, that isn't answering the question. You said 63,000,000 people want Brexit finished. What is that based on?
Did you do this?
Number of people in UK. 64,000,000.
Number of people protesting Brexit 1,000,000
∴ Number of people in UK who want Brexit done = 64,000,000 - 1,000,000 = 63,000,000?
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vast majority of people of voting age who didn't demonstrate wanted it done.
What on Earth is this based on?
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xsnaggle
Why are you so pedantic. I think that the result of the general election would indicate that the vast majority of people of voting age who didn't demonstrate wanted it done.
A minority voted for pro-Brexit parties.
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Originally Posted by
Baloo
A minority voted for pro-Brexit parties.
A minority vote for every winning party in any general election. You could argue that all day if you want to waste your time. :hehe:
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xsnaggle
A minority vote for every winning party in any general election. You could argue that all day if you want to waste your time. :hehe:
That isn't what he is saying.
You're not answering the question I am asking.
Yesterday you made an assertion that you challenge opinions that are based as fact.
That is what I am doing, and it appears Baloo and Croesy Blue are too.
I'll let Baloo spell out his point to you, maybe using sock puppets, or maybe a song - songs are easier to digest.
I'm leaving my question open too.
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I don't I can make my previous post any clearer or more factual. Make of it what you will.
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Baloo
I don't I can make my previous post any clearer or more factual. Make of it what you will.
I feel your pain :hehe: