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Revenge of the Sturgeon.
Coming soon to a country near you.
Out of interest, if Scotland left and then teamed up with Ireland to form a Celtic nation, and extended the invitation to Wales, would you stay as part of England or join the new nation, let's call it Albion.
I think we should stick with England and France and Holland :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Stay in the EU you mean? Quite agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
No, they will be out like us, so we can form a common market together :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Wouldn't it be simpler if everyone just stayed in in the first place? Less moneygoing to lawyers too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wales-Bales
No, we don't want political union and all the rest of it. A little bit of trade will be fine :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
What would be driving this uncontrollable boom you have imagined?Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
buzzing!!!!!!
Simple solution, May says we'll impose tariffs on trade with scotland in the event of independence. As the EU are doing to the UK.Quote:
Originally Posted by ninianclark
That is Sturgeons entire argument about free trade down the shitter.
It is hilarious, the hypocrisy.
Their economic argument is an oil field that will inevitably die.
+ Refuse to allow them to keep the pound. They'll have to fund their own health service. Etc, etc, etc. Blah, blah, blah.
If this quickens her removal from public then by all means, give them the ref.
If SNP lose this referendum then you have to believe that their founding aim and potentially party as a whole is dead for two decades or more.
The uncertainty of Brexit, the suggestion that May will push for a hard brexit against the views of the Scottish people and perhaps the lack of input from outside of Westminster into negotiations all are good reasons for there to be a second referendum. However, if Brexit was a result of Cameron listening to the loudest voices in his party and ultimately the signal of his demise then this may very well be the same for Sturgeon.
And if this is the demise of the SNP what next? The second best placed party is currently the conservative's who care so greatly about the Scottish viewpoint that it was a major weapon against labour in 2015.
If they were to lose, the aim might be dead but they'd still be the strongest party in Scotland, so their demise would be questionable.Quote:
Originally Posted by surge
Fair play for going for it, rather than our half arsed effort at being a 'nation'.
It's time to call their bluff, otherwise there will be Indyref 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 ....
Maybe they'd take the revenue and invest it more wisely, like the Norwegians do, rather than use it to give tax breaks to the rich like the UK did.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
All this mess because the Conservatives were scared of a party who couldn't even muster more than 1 seat
For what its worth I think Scotland should leave and just go for it, it could finally trigger some self-respect in Wales...
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Hopefully!Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
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Originally Posted by Rjk
That made me smile
Wales voted the same way as England.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Good post this, nail on the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordKenwyne
Although you didn't mention what I think is the most important factor in indyref2, the difference between May and Cameron. Dave spent much of the last campaign making impassioned pleas to Scotland to vote remain and he really shat in the last few days of the election, he wanted to avoid being the PM who broke up the UK. Theresa May on the other hand really couldn't give two shits if Scotland goes or not, she won't be going all out to keep them on the board.
The fact of the matter is the economic argument for leaving the union is far weaker than it was last time. My stance on Scottish independence is that I am happy with whatever they decided, it's their choice but I do genuinely believe they'd really struggle and that the EU may not be as accommodating for them as they hoped.
When you say Ireland I presume you mean Ulster not a united Ireland??Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Nah, the whole lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
Can't foresee any problems there ..!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
This is my hypothetical scenario, I make the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vimana.
Actually, thinking about it - the unionists in the north get to remain in a nation with 2 other "Protestant" countries, the republicans get a unified Ireland of sorts and don't have to be involved with Westminster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
Everyone is a winner.
That's that sorted, now for Israel/Palestine.
OK ;) But I'd politely suggest that - at this time - a completely united Ireland - complicit in 'joining' the remainder of the UK - without Scotland - is one hell of an hypothesis!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
No this would be a union of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to make a Celtic nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vimana.
The population would be 15m ish, just over a quarter that of England with 50% more land to knock about in.
There would be a Welsh Independence referendum long before they considered one uniting Ireland
Not due to popular demand, but because of the inevitable shit that would go down in the Irish Unification campaign, someone said Theresa May doesn't care if she broke up the union, but I don't think she'd want that and potentially restarting the Troubles on her CV
Erm..... I don't think so 😃Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
The recent election in Northern Ireland seemed to suggest there has been a shift in the age old demographic of the Protestants vote being the majority and therefore continuously returning Unionsits.
However, Id stay well clear of any reunification talk for a long time, as somebody above said the Troubles would be back sadly with the loyalists feeling they had been sold out.
Yeah the demographic shift has been entirely foreseeable for the last few decades. This more than anything else has brought about an end to violence, as there isn't any point, they just have to play the waiting game.Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2
Of course, my scenario would still allow Northern Ireland to keep links with Scotland to satisfy the unionists and takes Westminster out of the equation to make that more palatable to the republicans.Quote:
Originally Posted by CardiffIrish2
God no, I'm a proud British person and wish to remain so, in or out of Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rjk
There is no finer island, and the Scots should be grateful to be part of that institution which is so admired , trusted and respected around the world.
If the SNP gets independence it would a very sad moment for the UK and a very dangerous risk for the Scottish people, the SNP is using emotional blackmail to extend its power base, it almost like a dictatorship is being formed to ensure there is no future opposition or choice ,very worrying ??
She doesn't give a shit about Scotland or Sturgeons feet stomping. People are saying its inevitable that they leave but like last time as soon as the big questions come along regarding the economy/currency, the SNP have nothing of note to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by City123
What a load of rubbishQuote:
Originally Posted by life on mars