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Transfer- the emiliano sala story- new 9 part podcast on bbc sounds
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/p...n=share-mobile
Haven't seen this mentioned yet but they certainly advertising it a lot at the moment.
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All I've seen is that it's 'coming soon' but without any dates as to when.
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Got a bad feeling about this.
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The Bloop
All I've seen is that it's 'coming soon' but without any dates as to when
Maybe they are waiting for the outcome to be announced before showing so they can include it in the ending??
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Feels far too early for my liking - but I suppose we live in an instant gratification society where patience is a virtue is a thing of the past.
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Whisperer
Feels far too early for my liking - but I suppose we live in an instant gratification society where patience is a virtue is a thing of the past.
Far too early? The tragedy happened three and a half years ago, a man was jailed in November of last year as a result of it and the inquest concluded in March of this year. This is hardly an instant reaction.
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Carl Dale's Mole
Got a bad feeling about this.
Considering we signed McKay’s sons who are terrible at football, it won’t be a great look for the club, or Warnock and Dalman
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The Lone Gunman
Far too early? The tragedy happened three and a half years ago, a man was jailed in November of last year as a result of it and the inquest concluded in March of this year. This is hardly an instant reaction.
So everythings sorted and the family’s been compensated...i must have missed that Gunman.
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Whisperer
So everythings sorted and the family’s been compensated...i must have missed that Gunman.
Who are you expecting the family to be compensated by?
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What sort of audience would this get ? 50,000 ?
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The Lone Gunman
Who are you expecting the family to be compensated by?
Nantes or CCFC
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Whisperer
Nantes or CCFC
Why?
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I mean, it depends how long each episode is, but 9 parts seems a bit excessive..
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JamesWales
I mean, it depends how long each episode is, but 9 parts seems a bit excessive..
It's quite a story with many facets. Hopefully, the producers of the podcast have engaged in some proper investigative journalism, because the efforts of the local press have been incredibly weak.
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The Lone Gunman
It's quite a story with many facets. Hopefully, the producers of the podcast have engaged in some proper investigative journalism, because the efforts of the local press have been incredibly weak.
I agree on the story, but 9 parts still seems ambitious on the topic.
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Des Parrot
Why?
If my employers have death in service insurance in place for the workforce - then I'm pretty sure football clubs have it too.
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Whisperer
If my employers have death in service insurance in place for the workforce - then I'm pretty sure football clubs have it too.
Which teams' insurance should pay out in this case?
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Whisperer
If my employers have death in service insurance in place for the workforce - then I'm pretty sure football clubs have it too.
Football clubs pay tens of thousands of pounds a week wages, does your employer do that too?
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The Bloop
Which teams' insurance should pay out in this case?
Is that the Nantes insurers who are saying (I assume) that Emiliano Sala was a Cardiff player at the time of his death and covered by their insurance, or the Cardiff insurers who are saying (again I assume) the opposite. And with either or both accept the CAS ruling in a month or two as the final word on that - or not?
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Whisperer
If my employers have death in service insurance in place for the workforce - then I'm pretty sure football clubs have it too.
No football clubs wouldn't have death in service, the players are on short term contracts, it's down the players to look after themselves and families. And even if we did it would be directly with the insurance company nothing to do with Cardiff City or Nantes!
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North Cardiff Blue
No football clubs wouldn't have death in service, the players are on short term contracts, it's down the players to look after themselves and families. And even if we did it would be directly with the insurance company nothing to do with Cardiff City or Nantes!
Okay I stand corrected.....But I still believe that to do podcasts or make a film before the whole outcome is not cool.
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Whisperer
Okay I stand corrected.....But I still believe that to do podcasts or make a film before the whole outcome is not cool.
Just as obits are already written in the main before an individual dies, the journalist concerned has probably sourced all the material required up until this particular juncture and some extra information will be added after the upcoming decision and before the podcast ends.
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North Cardiff Blue
No football clubs wouldn't have death in service, the players are on short term contracts, it's down the players to look after themselves and families. And even if we did it would be directly with the insurance company nothing to do with Cardiff City or Nantes!
So if a club pays out £15m for a player, you don't think that they would want to protect their investment and interests by having the player insured against serious injury or death whilst he is employed by them ? Thats a nonsense to me and as far as I am aware most, if not all, clubs would have this type of cover and automatically add new players to it. That in effect is the crux of the argument here I think, if he was a Cardiff player he would be insured by us and if not he would be insured by Nantes. Who is liable ? Also if you make a claim on an employers insurance, you don't go direct to their insurance company, you submit the claim to the employers and they pass it on.
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Whisperer
If my employers have death in service insurance in place for the workforce - then I'm pretty sure football clubs have it too.
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North Cardiff Blue
No football clubs wouldn't have death in service, the players are on short term contracts, it's down the players to look after themselves and families. And even if we did it would be directly with the insurance company nothing to do with Cardiff City or Nantes!
From several news stories over the past few years my understanding is that the PFA carries insurance for all UK players registered with them and pays out to the player or his/her family in the case of serious injury through to death. Stories like the one below claim that Sala's family would have been entitled to £600k (not sure if true or how a scale of payments is determined) but he hadn't ben registered with them at the time of his death.
The story goes with the line that Cardiff made an admin error which meant the contract and registration were invalid or incomplete. I'm not sure about the Cardiff 'error', but the club has consistently argued that the contract was invalid and had to be amended and re-signed, and that was planned for the day after Sala returned to Cardiff from Nantes.
https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/EP...-error/1109457
'Players are automatically enrolled onto the Professional Footballers’ Association’s pension scheme when they are registered with the Premier League, and that includes a £600,000 fee to relatives for death-in-service.'
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jon1959
From several news stories over the past few years my understanding is that the PFA carries insurance for all UK players registered with them and pays out to the player or his/her family in the case of serious injury through to death. Stories like the one below claim that Sala's family would have been entitled to £600k (not sure if true or how a scale of payments is determined) but he hadn't ben registered with them at the time of his death.
The story goes with the line that Cardiff made an admin error which meant the contract and registration were invalid or incomplete. I'm not sure about the Cardiff 'error', but the club has consistently argued that the contract was invalid and had to be amended and re-signed, and that was planned for the day after Sala returned to Cardiff from Nantes.
https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/EP...-error/1109457
'Players are automatically enrolled onto the Professional Footballers’ Association’s pension scheme when they are registered with the Premier League, and that includes a £600,000 fee to relatives for death-in-service.'
Thanks for clearing that up Jon.
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So i haven't been following that closely but basically he was signed by Cardiff but not registered to play in the premier league hence why no insurance etc? That correct?
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Whisperer
If my employers have death in service insurance in place for the workforce - then I'm pretty sure football clubs have it too.
So that’s insurance rather than compensation then. The question then becomes who are the beneficiaries. Due to the timeframes involved and the nature of the transport used whether correct insurance was is place & expression of wish was in place.
I know my employers/ insurers wouldn’t pay out in these circumstances as the mode of transport would not be approved.
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Des Parrot
So that’s insurance rather than compensation then. The question then becomes who are the beneficiaries. Due to the timeframes involved and the nature of the transport used whether correct insurance was is place & expression of wish was in place.
I know my employers/ insurers wouldn’t pay out in these circumstances as the mode of transport would not be approved.
So the saga continues Des....which was my point from the start, this is far from over.
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Whisperer
So the saga continues Des....which was my point from the start, this is far from over.
We'll be liable for the fee I reckon.
Willie McKay arranged that flight and Nantes will always point to the fact that he was the one effectively doing the deal on behalf of Warnock/CCFC.
McKay should be locked up with the other fella, he wasn't even supposed to be working as an agent at that time.
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Ninja
We'll be liable for the fee I reckon.
Willie McKay arranged that flight and Nantes will always point to the fact that he was the one effectively doing the deal on behalf of Warnock/CCFC.
McKay should be locked up with the other fella, he wasn't even supposed to be working as an agent at that time.
but McKay arranged the flight on Emiliano's behalf, the club said they would pay for a scheduled flight from CDG airport, so it appears the flight was a arrangement between ES and Mckay
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blue matt
but McKay arranged the flight on Emiliano's behalf, the club said they would pay for a scheduled flight from CDG airport, so it appears the flight was a arrangement between ES and Mckay
Yes, I know McKay's son was messaging ES etc. What I mean is that the flight was arranged from our side of the fence so to speak, so I suspect we'll end up paying Nantes in full and possibly compensation of some sorts to the lad's mum and sister.
It still shocks me today that he ended up on a two-bit plane with an unqualified pilot!
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Ninja
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It still shocks me today that he ended up on a two-bit plane with an unqualified pilot!
The private flight business looks murky as hell, shocking that it still goes on
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Ninja
We'll be liable for the fee I reckon.
Willie McKay arranged that flight and Nantes will always point to the fact that he was the one effectively doing the deal on behalf of Warnock/CCFC.
McKay should be locked up with the other fella, he wasn't even supposed to be working as an agent at that time.
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Ninja
Yes, I know McKay's son was messaging ES etc. What I mean is that the flight was arranged from our side of the fence so to speak, so I suspect we'll end up paying Nantes in full and possibly compensation of some sorts to the lad's mum and sister.
It still shocks me today that he ended up on a two-bit plane with an unqualified pilot!
I don't think that is right.
Mark McKay (Willie's eldest son and a football agent in his own right) was representing Nantes in the Sala transfer. Willie - although disbarred as an agent - was working through his son and seems to have been the main mover in the McKay operation, with Mark as a front.
The flight was organised by Willie McKay. It was either to assist the completion of the contract so the Nantes President and the McKays got paid, or it was because Willie McKay is a warm and selfless human being who goes out of his way to help people at his own expense. McKay claimed the latter in the various hearings. I go with the former.
Warnock may have had a long term relationship with Willie McKay, but at no stage was McKay representing or acting for Cardiff - and certainly not in arranging those flights.
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jon1959
I don't think that is right.
Mark McKay (Willie's eldest son and a football agent in his own right) was representing Nantes in the Sala transfer. Willie - although disbarred as an agent - was working through his son and seems to have been the main mover in the McKay operation, with Mark as a front.
The flight was organised by Willie McKay. It was either to assist the completion of the contract so the Nantes President and the McKays got paid, or it was because Willie McKay is a warm and selfless human being who goes out of his way to help people at his own expense. McKay claimed the latter in the various hearings. I go with the former.
Warnock may have had a long term relationship with Willie McKay, but at no stage was McKay representing or acting for Cardiff - and certainly not in arranging those flights.
I think the more people that watch this documentary and get to hear as many of the facts as possible the better.
So much conjecture has been thrown around over the past 3 years
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Lawnmower
I think the more people that watch this documentary and get to hear as many of the facts as possible the better.
So much conjecture has been thrown around over the past 3 years
It's a radio podcast, old fruit :-)
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Taunton Blue Genie
It's a radio podcast, old fruit :-)
View from the Ninian :hehe:
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jon1959
I don't think that is right.
Mark McKay (Willie's eldest son and a football agent in his own right) was representing Nantes in the Sala transfer. Willie - although disbarred as an agent - was working through his son and seems to have been the main mover in the McKay operation, with Mark as a front.
The flight was organised by Willie McKay. It was either to assist the completion of the contract so the Nantes President and the McKays got paid, or it was because Willie McKay is a warm and selfless human being who goes out of his way to help people at his own expense. McKay claimed the latter in the various hearings. I go with the former.
Warnock may have had a long term relationship with Willie McKay, but at no stage was McKay representing or acting for Cardiff - and certainly not in arranging those flights.
This is exactly how i see it Jon. Mckay was representing Nantes not City.
Spedger
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McKay WAS involved in arranging those flights if what I've read is true.
He apparently asked Henderson to take ES to Nantes so he could say his goodbyes etc and then bring him back to Cardiff. As we now know, Henderson in turn appointed his unqualified mate to make the fatal return flight.
Whilst officially he was apparently representing Nantes, McKay clearly had more involvement than he probably should have done. As did his sons who were at our club at this point! The one was messaging ES offering to help arrange his flights etc.
Anyway, it is a lot of mixed messages and speculation at this point. I hope this podcast involves some deep-diving and can offer more facts. It will certainly be an interesting listen I'm sure.
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dml1954
So if a club pays out £15m for a player, you don't think that they would want to protect their investment and interests by having the player insured against serious injury or death whilst he is employed by them ? Thats a nonsense to me and as far as I am aware most, if not all, clubs would have this type of cover and automatically add new players to it. That in effect is the crux of the argument here I think, if he was a Cardiff player he would be insured by us and if not he would be insured by Nantes. Who is liable ? Also if you make a claim on an employers insurance, you don't go direct to their insurance company, you submit the claim to the employers and they pass it on.
They would protect themselves yes so money would go to Cardiff City, but death in service goes to the family of the deceased, they wouldn't cover that?
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jon1959
From several news stories over the past few years my understanding is that the PFA carries insurance for all UK players registered with them and pays out to the player or his/her family in the case of serious injury through to death. Stories like the one below claim that Sala's family would have been entitled to £600k (not sure if true or how a scale of payments is determined) but he hadn't ben registered with them at the time of his death.
The story goes with the line that Cardiff made an admin error which meant the contract and registration were invalid or incomplete. I'm not sure about the Cardiff 'error', but the club has consistently argued that the contract was invalid and had to be amended and re-signed, and that was planned for the day after Sala returned to Cardiff from Nantes.
https://m.allfootballapp.com/news/EP...-error/1109457
'Players are automatically enrolled onto the Professional Footballers’ Association’s pension scheme when they are registered with the Premier League, and that includes a £600,000 fee to relatives for death-in-service.'
OK fair enough I didn't know that but that sounds realistc. I didn't think the club it self would give players death in service benefits, why would they? But they would insure the players themselves as an asset of the club.