I have new skirting boards in a couple of rooms and want to gloss them in white. Can I slap the gloss on the bare wood or do I need some sort of undercoat?
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I have new skirting boards in a couple of rooms and want to gloss them in white. Can I slap the gloss on the bare wood or do I need some sort of undercoat?
Undercoat definitely
Undercoat is tacky and difficult to use and not really needed indoors. I use white emulsion as an undercoat, dries within a couple our hours and so much easier to apply.
Apply knotting solution to any visible knotsQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
Apply primer
Apply undercoat
Apply top coat
Christ noQuote:
Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish
Get Bulls Eye 123. Primer and undercoat in one. Water based, dries in about 30 minutes. Brilliant stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
Good callQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
But you will still need to ensure the knots are blocked before putting bulls eye on bare wood
And 2 coats of bulls eye are best for bare wood or the top coat will be trying to do the job of an undercoat
Just use decent satinwood it’s self undercoatingQuote:
Originally Posted by Alan Lung
Yes, sorry, should have said that, which is what I always do actually! Funnily enough I don't have any trouble with knots when using Bulls Eye - maybe I've always been lucky with the quality of the wood?Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
If you use the red bulls eye , the oil based one , it includes a sealer to seal the knot resin inQuote:
Originally Posted by Gofer Blue
Well as a decorator I would never suggest thatQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
Satinwood is a very THICK paint and is OK, at a push , to use on wood surfaces that have previously been painted
But that sort of approach doesn't last long to a good eye so it's recommended that all surfaces , including wood are primed , undercoated then top coated , even with satinwood .....which is basically a posh name for a semi gloss finish
Dodgy decorators will often tell a customer they are going to prime , undercoat and top coat ......gloss or satinwood........but then just slap on a single coat ......it looks OK for a while but doesn't last
My son has used Zinsser's BIN on knots (is that what you mean by the red one?) and he found it to be really good. It is spirit based and so dries quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
It's shellac based , with meths as the carrier so it evaporates
It's great stuff although I prefer to knot the wood first and use blue water based bin in a couple of coats
You seem quite knowledgeable about decorating (btw: I found myself nodding my head in agreement).Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I know (as a keen DIY person) the process of painting bare wood. However, I have often seen you post useful decorating tips and also give detailed product information.
So my question is.. are you a keen DIY person or are you actually qualified in the field.
I have an advanced craft city and guilds in painting and decoratingQuote:
Originally Posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five
There are lots of people who think they can paint and anyone can do it but the industry is full of cowboys and chancers
That being said some of the people I did my qualifications with are in business but I don't know how they get any work as they are absolutely hopeless and despite being taught how to do everything right cut corners , use poor materials and are crap
i find walking on the ceiling is one way of getting round them
But then you have to deal with the coving ?Quote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
Been using Crown trade quick dry fast flow for years like most decent decorators, on bare wood I’d use an undercoat and two top coats….stays fine for years….Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
I don't know any decent decorators that would put a satinwood paint on bare wood which is what you have suggested he doesQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
So even if you were going to use a water based undercoat .......which are second rate compared to oil based undercoats.......you would only use one undercoat ........and no primer and knotting solution ?Quote:
Originally Posted by goats
That's not a professional paint system and it's not going to stand up to quality inspection as satinwood is a top coat and not designed to be used to build up the layers of paint ......that's what a primer , undercoat system is for and why suggesting going without an undercoat or using a self undercoating paint is incorrect
one problem at a time, mastering walking on ceilings is tricky enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Have you seen the deleted scene from the exorcist ?Quote:
Originally Posted by + the native hipster
That's flexibility for you
This is my favourite thread of the week. Top tips. :thumbup:
Well it does, and it has. Maybe, as you know so much, you should get back out there ? You know instead of preaching itQuote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well you are offering advice here which is incorrectQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
You say it works but it goes against what you are taught by the professionals so either they are wrong or you are wrong
It's not a case of knowing so much , its a case of doing things properly as taught by proper tradesmenQuote:
Originally Posted by goats
Paint has changed a lot since you last picked up a brush in 1987 sludge…..Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
The more things change the more they stay the same.......Quote:
Originally Posted by goats