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Driver who racked up almost £3,000 in Clean Air Zone fines claims she 'thought she had six days to pay' after receiving enforcement letters
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Driver who racked up almost £3,000 in Clean Air Zone fines claims she 'thought she had six days to pay' after receiving enforcement letters
A businesswoman has admitted she is in a 'complete muddle' after racking up Clean Air Zone fines of almost £3,000.
Cleo Burrows began receiving notices in April after a trip through a Clean Air Zone in Bristol meant she had to pay the required £9 charge for a non-compliant vehicle.
According to the Bristol City Council website, the daily charge can be paid up to six days before travel, on the day of travel, or within six days after travel.
Failure to pay the daily charge results in a penalty charge notice of £120 - reduced to £60 if paid within two weeks.
Ms Burrows mistakenly believed she had six days to pay just the initial charge after each enforcement letter and they quickly began piling up.
Now, she's learned about the system the hard way after being landed with dozens of fines totalling £2,900.
Ms Burrows said: 'I'm a really fair person and I own a diesel car which is not compliant so I have to pay the diesel charge to travel into Bristol.
'I don't have an issue with that at all. I have a small business and I'm really busy so when CAZ started, I thought I had a safety net of getting a letter and having six days to pay.
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'I had been working a lot and was shocked when I got this letter saying I would have to pay £60. I started getting a whole bunch of letters coming almost every day from April up until June,' she said.
'I called them and was really shocked to hear that I have fines of over £2,900. It was such a massive shock. I thought the letter gave you six days to pay.
'I find it all a bit complicated and I have so many letters now that I feel so confused.
'It's got me in a complete muddle,' she said.
Ms Burrows added that the council had offered to set up a payment plan for her to settle the fines, but even that was unaffordable for her.
She said: 'I also go into London regularly but you can open an account with ULEZ and put your card details.
'Every time I go to London the charge is automatically debited which makes it much easier. I have a hectic schedule and often work from 7am to 7pm, but now I'm being vigilant and trying not to go through town. It's been so stressful
When Bristol's CAZ was implemented in November 2022, there were temporary exemptions for local vehicles to give residents time to prepare.
These included private passenger cars, vans or LGVs not registered with a business, which had a temporary exemption until 1 April 2023.
Bristol City Council has been approached for comment.
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In November last year, it was revealed the city's CAZ scheme was plagued with faulty cameras, resulting in drivers hundreds of miles away receiving letters.
One motorist from Liverpool believed his car's number plate had been cloned and quickly informed the police after receiving a letter from Bristol City Council.
The City Council admitted its Clean Air Zone cameras, which monitor which cars pass through the designated area, may be misreading registrations.
The council sent letters to drivers using vehicles that had been triggered by the new cameras on the edge of the Clean Air Zone during a three-week period in September.
The letters warned them that, while they weren't being fined for that trip, they would be if they make the same journey into the Clean Air Zone after the scheme starts on November 28.
But a number of motorists have complained to Bristol City Council over the stress caused despite never having visited the city before.
One motorist from West Wales said she visited her local police station because she was worried her vehicle had been cloned, while another driver from Merseyside said he would be demanding £300 compensation for the time and stress involved after receiving the letter.
Bristol City Council said their advice to anyone who appears to have been sent a letter in error is to just ignore it, but the council has admitted there is a problem with the cameras not being able to correctly identify some letters on vehicle registration plates.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-letters.html
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Re: Driver who racked up almost £3,000 in Clean Air Zone fines claims she 'thought she had six days to pay' after receiving enforcement letters
Some people are in for a nasty surprise regarding ULEZ, CAZ, C40 cities, etc., which are part of a much greater enforcement framework.
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Re: Driver who racked up almost £3,000 in Clean Air Zone fines claims she 'thought she had six days to pay' after receiving enforcement letters
My mate was visiting from Dallas last week and told me that they tried to push the zero emissions malarkey on them and the Texans just fkd them off.....We could do the same if we weren't such a divided society.
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Whisperer
My mate was visiting from Dallas last week and told me that they tried to push the zero emissions malarkey on them and the Texans just fkd them off.....We could do the same if we weren't such a divided society.
Yeah, I want to carry on breathing in car fumes, sick of people trying to force clean air on me.
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Wales-Bales
Some people are in for a nasty surprise regarding ULEZ, CAZ, C40 cities, etc., which are part of a much greater enforcement framework.
Yes they are trying to drive us off the road.
This 20mph malarky is almost impossible to do.
I know four people who've had speeding tickets in the last three weeks, by the nine giants, Whitchurch and Weston Avenue seem to be the main culprits.
Has anyone else had a speeding ticket in the last month if so where?
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Eric Cartman
Yeah, I want to carry on breathing in car fumes, sick of people trying to force clean air on me.
I lived in central London for over 40 years and what made the pollution worst was road planning and road closures IMHO….if you think ULEZ is about cleaner air then you need to change your dealer Eric.
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Whisperer
I lived in central London for over 40 years and what made the pollution worst was road planning and road closures IMHO….if you think ULEZ is about cleaner air then you need to change your dealer Eric.
That's exactly what they are doing in Cardiff, close off part of Llanishen so all cars have to go down the one street which will get more congested, the same by the Castle for ages, sending traffic down Cathedral Road and the same by the old AA building make everyone pile around the prison, it's getting ridiculous.
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North Cardiff Blue
That's exactly what they are doing in Cardiff, close off part of Llanishen so all cars have to go down the one street which will get more congested, the same by the Castle for ages, sending traffic down Cathedral Road and the same by the old AA building make everyone pile around the prison, it's getting ridiculous.
Yep until it's gridlocked - then they will promote 20mph and then that will be rolled out all over the A roads even on faster roads like A48 & A470
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Re: Driver who racked up almost £3,000 in Clean Air Zone fines claims she 'thought she had six days to pay' after receiving enforcement letters
This air theft charge will be the death knell for Bristol city centre. For instance, I used to visit Bristol city centre on average three times a year to visit the Record Fair at the Colston Hall and the wonderful 2nd hand record shops that Bristol has in the centre. I could spend well over £100 on vinyl plus on top of that a meal and a drinks. Thus spending approximately £150 per visit. If the cretins that run Bristol council think I am going to spend another £9 on top of this, just to enter their 'great' city, they can think again.
As well as conning motorists out of money for this air theft charge, for entering the centre of Bristol, the cunning sneaky thieving gits have also introduced it for drivers who use the Portway (the road that goes under the Clifton Suspension Bridge) knowing that tens of thousands of motorists use this road from south and west Wales, Gloucestershire and the Midlands to get to and from Bristol airport. Thankfully, there are other routes that can be used other than using the Portway to avoid this charge. Adds a bit of time to your journey, but hey-ho, you aren't giving into these dipsticks.
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Re: Driver who racked up almost £3,000 in Clean Air Zone fines claims she 'thought she had six days to pay' after receiving enforcement letters
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Originally Posted by
North Cardiff Blue
That's exactly what they are doing in Cardiff, close off part of Llanishen so all cars have to go down the one street which will get more congested, the same by the Castle for ages, sending traffic down Cathedral Road and the same by the old AA building make everyone pile around the prison, it's getting ridiculous.
the part of llanishen they closed off is just a rat run through a housing estate. People shouldn't be cutting through there
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Mr Soul '68
This air theft charge will be the death knell for Bristol city centre. For instance, I used to visit Bristol city centre on average three times a year to visit the Record Fair at the Colston Hall and the wonderful 2nd hand record shops that Bristol has in the centre. I could spend well over £100 on vinyl plus on top of that a meal and a drinks. Thus spending approximately £150 per visit. If the cretins that run Bristol council think I am going to spend another £9 on top of this, just to enter their 'great' city, they can think again.
As well as conning motorists out of money for this air theft charge, for entering the centre of Bristol, the cunning sneaky thieving gits have also introduced it for drivers who use the Portway (the road that goes under the Clifton Suspension Bridge) knowing that tens of thousands of motorists use this road from south and west Wales, Gloucestershire and the Midlands to get to and from Bristol airport. Thankfully, there are other routes that can be used other than using the Portway to avoid this charge. Adds a bit of time to your journey, but hey-ho, you aren't giving into these dipsticks.
Many people will think like you
But many more will be apathetic and just pay it.
It’s here to stay unless protested.
I’m all for a carrot and stick approach but there doesn’t seem a lot of carrot. Why can’t all bus and train fares be merged and significantly lowered.
To get to cardiff from Caerphilly by train it’s £8.30
If you need a bus to the train station it’s another £4.
There are cheaper ways but it’s not ideal when you could jump in your car a lot easier.
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Originally Posted by
WJ99mobile
Many people will think like you
But many more will be apathetic and just pay it.
It’s here to stay unless protested.
I’m all for a carrot and stick approach but there doesn’t seem a lot of carrot. Why can’t all bus and train fares be merged and significantly lowered.
To get to cardiff from Caerphilly by train it’s £8.30
If you need a bus to the train station it’s another £4.
There are cheaper ways but it’s not ideal when you could jump in your car a lot easier.
Sadly, there are way too many sheeple in society who will pay for this air theft charge.
As for Caerphilly to Cardiff by train I don't begrudge the £8.30 return cost at all. I live very close to one of the 3 stations in Caerphilly and I can be in Cardiff Queen Street in just 21 minutes. Perfect! Saves all the hassle of driving and parking
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Mr Soul '68
Sadly, there are way too many sheeple in society who will pay for this air theft charge.
As for Caerphilly to Cardiff by train I don't begrudge the £8.30 return cost at all. I live very close to one of the 3 stations in Caerphilly and I can be in Cardiff Queen Street in just 21 minutes. Perfect! Saves all the hassle of driving and parking
It’s great when it’s on time. Often cancelled. Often only run every hour.
And if your a family of 4 it’s ridiculous
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North Cardiff Blue
Yes they are trying to drive us off the road.
It goes much deeper than that, there is a whole range of interconnected systems that will will be coming online, and not having a car will be the least of your worries.
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Re: Driver who racked up almost £3,000 in Clean Air Zone fines claims she 'thought she had six days to pay' after receiving enforcement letters
Hopefully she pays closer attention to any business rules she needs to follow or her business could go under due to mismanagement
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North Cardiff Blue
Yes they are trying to drive us off the road.
Who's "they", and why are they "trying to drive us off the road"?
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Re: Driver who racked up almost £3,000 in Clean Air Zone fines claims she 'thought she had six days to pay' after receiving enforcement letters
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Undercoverinwurzelland
Who's "they", and why are they "trying to drive us off the road"?
What is your position on these enforcement policies, and surely you dug a bit deeper before forming your own opinion about them?
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Undercoverinwurzelland
Who's "they", and why are they "trying to drive us off the road"?
Who do you think?
Who makes the policies in Wales?
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Rjk
the part of llanishen they closed off is just a rat run through a housing estate. People shouldn't be cutting through there
If it's a road you should be able to drive through it, it's nonsense.
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Wales-Bales
What is your position on these enforcement policies, and surely you dug a bit deeper before forming your own opinion about them?
It's a genuine question - who do think is behind it and why?
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North Cardiff Blue
Who do you think?
Who makes the policies in Wales?
The implication is that it's not just the Welsh government behind it though, and they haven't got anything to do with London or Bristol have they.
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Undercoverinwurzelland
The implication is that it's not just the Welsh government behind it though, and they haven't got anything to do with London or Bristol have they.
The Welsh Government in Wales, Sadiq Kahn in London, Marvin Rees in Bristol, there is a connection there.
I'm not sure why they are trying to ban the car or at least make it as difficult as possible, they will probably say green measures.
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Undercoverinwurzelland
It's a genuine question - who do think is behind it and why?
Think tanks, large foundations, big corporations, NGOs, etc. Why? Well, that's the million dollar question innit.
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North Cardiff Blue
I'm not sure why they are trying to ban the car or at least make it as difficult as possible, they will probably say green measures.
Yeah, it's always something that you can't argue against, but it's the proposals, policy recommendations, and legislation that you want to look at, as there are lots of independencies that are quite hard to unravel.
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Re: Driver who racked up almost £3,000 in Clean Air Zone fines claims she 'thought she had six days to pay' after receiving enforcement letters
The Welsh government is considering introducing a congestion charge on the A470 around Pontypridd, presumably where the 50mph stretch is currently. As someone who lives in mid Wales where there is no rail link within 20 miles I'd be interested in how I can make the journey without a car? Buses are very infrequent and and there is no direct connection to Cardiff. It would literally take all day to get to Cardiff and back except that the last bus back would be too early so it would be a two day affair. Otherwise, it would presumably be a park and ride from Merthyr? Who knows?
The A470 is the backbone of the Welsh road system. Hopefully they'll dismiss the idea but they have a record of introducing left-field policies with little thought behind them. They're very Cardiff-centric.
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Robin Friday's Ghost
The Welsh government is considering introducing a congestion charge on the A470 around Pontypridd, presumably where the 50mph stretch is currently. As someone who lives in mid Wales where there is no rail link within 20 miles I'd be interested in how I can make the journey without a car? Buses are very infrequent and and there is no direct connection to Cardiff. It would literally take all day to get to Cardiff and back except that the last bus back would be too early so it would be a two day affair. Otherwise, it would presumably be a park and ride from Merthyr? Who knows?
The A470 is the backbone of the Welsh road system. Hopefully they'll dismiss the idea but they have a record of introducing left-field policies with little thought behind them. They're very Cardiff-centric.
The idea is you will have everything that you need within walking distance of your home, except maybe your granny, your girlfriend, your mates, favourite pubs & restaurants, football, concerts, beaches, mountains, holidays, etc., but don't worry you will be happy :biggrin:
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Robin Friday's Ghost
The Welsh government is considering introducing a congestion charge on the A470 around Pontypridd, presumably where the 50mph stretch is currently. As someone who lives in mid-Wales where there is no rail link within 20 miles I'd be interested in how I can make the journey without a car. Buses are very infrequent and and there is no direct connection to Cardiff. It would literally take all day to get to Cardiff and back except that the last bus back would be too early so it would be a two day affair. Otherwise, it would presumably be a park and ride from Merthyr? Who knows?
The A470 is the backbone of the Welsh road system. Hopefully they'll dismiss the idea but they have a record of introducing left-field policies with little thought behind them. They're very Cardiff-centric.
They are building some big park-and-ride metro crap at Taffs Well, they'll want you to pay that charge and then get a trolly bus from there, Wales is going back in time, things are constantly getting worse it's the opposite of progress.
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North Cardiff Blue
They are building some big park-and-ride metro crap at Taffs Well, they'll want you to pay that charge and then get a trolly bus from there, Wales is going back in time, things are constantly getting worse it's the opposite of progress.
When it comes to public transport I would happily go back 40 years.
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Wales-Bales
The idea is you will have everything that you need within walking distance of your home, except maybe your granny, your girlfriend, your mates, favourite pubs & restaurants, football, concerts, beaches, mountains, holidays, etc., but don't worry you will be happy :biggrin:
Mates, pubs, restaurants OK, I'll miss the rest :angry:
Cardiff will be on the box I expect like Covid days.
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jon1959
When it comes to public transport I would happily go back 40 years.
Yes, I suppose and driving was better!
You get the point!
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Re: Driver who racked up almost £3,000 in Clean Air Zone fines claims she 'thought she had six days to pay' after receiving enforcement letters
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Originally Posted by
Robin Friday's Ghost
The Welsh government is considering introducing a congestion charge on the A470 around Pontypridd, presumably where the 50mph stretch is currently. As someone who lives in mid Wales where there is no rail link within 20 miles I'd be interested in how I can make the journey without a car? Buses are very infrequent and and there is no direct connection to Cardiff. It would literally take all day to get to Cardiff and back except that the last bus back would be too early so it would be a two day affair. Otherwise, it would presumably be a park and ride from Merthyr? Who knows?
The A470 is the backbone of the Welsh road system. Hopefully they'll dismiss the idea but they have a record of introducing left-field policies with little thought behind them. They're very Cardiff-centric.
Any link to the Welsh Govt saying they were considering a congestion charge on the A470?
Last I read they said they werent considering the clean air clean air zone charge for the A470. (which the vast majority of cars like Bristol wouldnt occur a charge anyway even if introduced)
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Hilts
Any link to the Welsh Govt saying they were considering a congestion charge on the A470?
Last I read they said they werent considering the clean air clean air zone charge for the A470. (which the vast majority of cars like Bristol wouldnt occur a charge anyway even if introduced)
If 15 days to flatten the curve is anything to go by then it's probably going to happen, and it will most likely be a lot worse!
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Mr Soul '68
This air theft charge will be the death knell for Bristol city centre. For instance, I used to visit Bristol city centre on average three times a year to visit the Record Fair at the Colston Hall and the wonderful 2nd hand record shops that Bristol has in the centre. I could spend well over £100 on vinyl plus on top of that a meal and a drinks. Thus spending approximately £150 per visit. If the cretins that run Bristol council think I am going to spend another £9 on top of this, just to enter their 'great' city, they can think again.
As well as conning motorists out of money for this air theft charge, for entering the centre of Bristol, the cunning sneaky thieving gits have also introduced it for drivers who use the Portway (the road that goes under the Clifton Suspension Bridge) knowing that tens of thousands of motorists use this road from south and west Wales, Gloucestershire and the Midlands to get to and from Bristol airport. Thankfully, there are other routes that can be used other than using the Portway to avoid this charge. Adds a bit of time to your journey, but hey-ho, you aren't giving into these dipsticks.
Set off from Ely to Bristol airport via the most direct route at 2am this morning. Barely seen any cars, plenty of road works but no workers and amazingly didn’t stop at a single set of lights - I stayed at the speed limit which didn’t hit national speed limit until the A4 off the Severn Bridge and down the Portway and it took exactly 1hr 40.
Made me think this isn’t an easy airport to get to anymore and it could have easily taken another hour in daylight which could have caused a panic.
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19bluebirds27
Set off from Ely to Bristol airport via the most direct route at 2am this morning. Barely seen any cars, plenty of road works but no workers and amazingly didn’t stop at a single set of lights - I stayed at the speed limit which didn’t hit national speed limit until the A4 off the Severn Bridge and down the Portway and it took exactly 1hr 40.
Made me think this isn’t an easy airport to get to anymore and it could have easily taken another hour in daylight which could have caused a panic.
Nowhere is easy to get to anymore, they are killing the car.
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North Cardiff Blue
Nowhere is easy to get to anymore, they are killing the car.
Not for everybody though, those with pots of money won't be affected. Do you remember how the private jets were allowed to fly without any restrictions during covid, or Dave's "we are all in it together" austerity nonsense.
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Wales-Bales
Not for everybody though, those with pots of money won't be affected. Do you remember how the private jets were allowed to fly without any restrictions during covid, or Dave's "we are all in it together" austerity nonsense.
I would love it if everything I needed was a short walk away
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Rjk
I would love it if everything I needed was a short walk away
Try it for a couple of months and report back, I'd love to know what it's like to live in a 15 minute radius by foot. On seconds thoughts, I could just go and observe some sheep in the field down the road.
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Wales-Bales
Try it for a couple of months and report back, I'd love to know what it's like to live in a 15 minute radius by foot. On seconds thoughts, I could just go and observe some sheep in the field down the road.
I can't, not everything I need is a short walk away
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While I think there is a place for ulez schemes etc. Surely we need to be going after the manafacturers and point of sales taxes aswell. Get rid of these stupid f*cking SUV things from city roads. Pumping out rubbish and particulates(even when electric).
When it comes to eco protesters I don't normally have much time. But the guys(and gals) that go round damaging SUVs, all power to them !!