David Starkey On Slavery And Black Lives Matter

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02-07-20, 20:14
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David Starkey On Slavery And Black Lives Matter

BBC News - David Starkey criticised over slavery comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53262668

He always was a complete and utter arsehole
02-07-20, 20:26
Tuerto

Re: David Starkey On Slavery And Black Lives Matter

Another arsehole who can't refuse a bit of exposure on any platform that'll have him, such is his blowhard narcissism, he's in the 'tosser' box with the Hitchens brothers-pair of snide wankers.
02-07-20, 20:42
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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Another arsehole who can't refuse a bit of exposure on any platform that'll have him, such is his blowhard narcissism, he's in the 'tosser' box with the Hitchens brothers-pair of snide wankers.

When he was on question time I would turn off

Horrible bloke
02-07-20, 20:47
Vindec

Re: David Starkey On Slavery And Black Lives Matter

I notice nobody has referred to Keir Starmer's comments the other day. He did apologise the next day but he still said it. Look it up. Does anyone care what Starkey says as he's renowned for making inappropriate comments.
02-07-20, 20:50
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Originally Posted by Vindec

I notice nobody has referred to Keir Starmer's comments the other day. He did apologise the next day but he still said it. Look it up.

I have no idea what starmer said which is why I havnt mentioned it

What did he say ? Starkey said slavery wasnt genocide because lots of "blacks " survived
02-07-20, 20:54
Pearcey3

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Why is this toe-rag given so much air time? Never understood it. There are plenty of historians around. The reactionary old racist needs to be forgotten about.
02-07-20, 20:59
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Originally Posted by Pearcey3

Why is this toe-rag given so much air time? Never understood it. There are plenty of historians around. The reactionary old racist needs to be forgotten about.

Hopefully he will be involved in a bizarre gardening accident
02-07-20, 21:45
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Originally Posted by Vindec

I notice nobody has referred to Keir Starmer's comments the other day. He did apologise the next day but he still said it. Look it up. Does anyone care what Starkey says as he's renowned for making inappropriate comments.

What did he say ?

Was he criticising the black lives matter movement or was he calling people " blacks " ?
02-07-20, 22:16
delmbox

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

What did he say ?

Was he criticising the black lives matter movement or was he calling people " blacks " ?

If it's what I think he's on about, Starmer called the BLM movement "a moment" and then apologised saying he should have made it clearer he meant "a moment in time"

Comparing that with Starkey is pretty spectacular whataboutery :facepalm:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53267989
02-07-20, 22:28
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Originally Posted by delmbox

If it's what I think he's on about, Starmer called the BLM movement "a moment" and then apologised saying he should have made it clearer he meant "a moment in time"

Comparing that with Starkey is pretty spectacular whataboutery :facepalm:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-53267989

Good grief , that really is clutching at straws
03-07-20, 05:25
Jordi Culé

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Originally Posted by Vindec

I notice nobody has referred to Keir Starmer's comments the other day. He did apologise the next day but he still said it. Look it up. Does anyone care what Starkey says as he's renowned for making inappropriate comments.

Did he call black people “piccaninnies... with watermelon smiles” or was that someone else?
03-07-20, 07:03
Vindec

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Good grief , that really is clutching at straws

Starmer is seen by some of his own colleagues as dismissing the importance of the Black Lives protests and in no way was I making a comparison with that odious individual Starkey.
03-07-20, 07:35
Hilts

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Starmer is seen by some of his own colleagues as dismissing the importance of the Black Lives protests and in no way was I making a comparison with that odious individual Starkey.

So what did Starmer say that deserves his name to be brought into a thread with this individual.?
03-07-20, 07:50
Rjk

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

I have no idea what starmer said which is why I havnt mentioned it

What did he say ? Starkey said slavery wasnt genocide because lots of "blacks " survived

He actually said "slavery wasn't genocide, otherwise there wouldn't be so many Damn blacks in Africa or in Britain would there? and awful lot of them survived"

Which is beyond appalling.
03-07-20, 08:06
Rjk

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Originally Posted by Hilts

So what did Starmer say that deserves his name to be brought into a thread with this individual.?

Starmer dismissed the idea of "defund the police" which I can understand, that would be a corbyn-esque noose that the right wing press would use to hang him for years. Also I don't think the police and prison system in this country is as financially leveraged as the states, but the underlying principles of preventing the conditions that lead to crime and encouraging rehabilitation etc should be bread and butter to a labour leader.
He also said BLM was a moment, which annoyed some, an suggested it was in sympathy with the movement in the states, which some felt was dismissive of the prejudices faced by UK minorities.
03-07-20, 10:16
SLUDGE FACTORY

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Originally Posted by Vindec

Starmer is seen by some of his own colleagues as dismissing the importance of the Black Lives protests and in no way was I making a comparison with that odious individual Starkey.

I think it's pretty obvious you were or you wouldnt have mentioned it

One is making a point that the black lives matter movement was a moment in history and we move forward , which I dont agree with , the other was a racist ignorant bigot
03-07-20, 10:34
cyril evans awaydays

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Originally Posted by Tuerto

Another arsehole who can't refuse a bit of exposure on any platform that'll have him, such is his blowhard narcissism, he's in the 'tosser' box with the Hitchens brothers-pair of snide wankers.

Nice to see you bear a grudge given that one of them died almost a decade ago! :-)
03-07-20, 11:04
WJ99mobile

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Originally Posted by Rjk

He actually said "slavery wasn't genocide, otherwise there wouldn't be so many Damn blacks in Africa or in Britain would there? and awful lot of them survived"

Which is beyond appalling.

He's a very intelligent man and surprised he's come out with crap like that. It's a purely racist comment from Starkey who I've quite liked watching on QT purely because he whips it up but this is too far.

Even if he said you can't define it as genocide as the traders didn't intend to kill the slaves then that's a pretty abhorrent comment and missing the mark completely but could be somewhat debated. What DS has said is just showing his prejudices.
03-07-20, 11:21
xsnaggle

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Can we actually be clear what "Genocide" is.
It is the 'deliberate' killing of a large group of people of a national or ethnic group.......
Much as what the slavers did was abhorrent they in no way attempted genocide. In fact it was completely contrary to their intent, which was clearly to make money from trafficking able bodies people who could be made to work.
Genocide would have robbed them of their purpose.
03-07-20, 11:22
jeepster

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

BBC News - David Starkey criticised over slavery comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53262668

He always was a complete and utter arsehole

If he had a scarfon he would look like Tubs the league of gentleman.A poor excuse for a human.
03-07-20, 12:32
jon1959

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Dropped by his publisher, and either resigning from or removed from a few 'honorary' positions.

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/...-harpercollins

Good to see the way public attitudes have changed from 2011 - when his racist comments were mostly tolerated.
03-07-20, 12:47
Dorcus

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Originally Posted by cyril evans awaydays

Nice to see you bear a grudge given that one of them died almost a decade ago! :-)

And Christopher, who died, was the more enlightened, and intelligent one!
03-07-20, 13:04
SLUDGE FACTORY

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Can we actually be clear what "Genocide" is.
It is the 'deliberate' killing of a large group of people of a national or ethnic group.......
Much as what the slavers did was abhorrent they in no way attempted genocide. In fact it was completely contrary to their intent, which was clearly to make money from trafficking able bodies people who could be made to work.
Genocide would have robbed them of their purpose.

Good luck in your new role as david starkeys lawyer
03-07-20, 13:09
delmbox

Re: David Starkey On Slavery And Black Lives Matter

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Can we actually be clear what "Genocide" is.
It is the 'deliberate' killing of a large group of people of a national or ethnic group.......
Much as what the slavers did was abhorrent they in no way attempted genocide. In fact it was completely contrary to their intent, which was clearly to make money from trafficking able bodies people who could be made to work.
Genocide would have robbed them of their purpose.

We all know what genocide is xsnaggle. "Yeah but he was technically right about that bit" means absolutely nothing when it comes to the criticism of his statement
03-07-20, 13:30
lardy

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Originally Posted by xsnaggle

Can we actually be clear what "Genocide" is.
It is the 'deliberate' killing of a large group of people of a national or ethnic group.......
Much as what the slavers did was abhorrent they in no way attempted genocide. In fact it was completely contrary to their intent, which was clearly to make money from trafficking able bodies people who could be made to work.
Genocide would have robbed them of their purpose.

If he simply said it wasn't genocide, then fine I guess. But the full comment was it's not genocide because look, Africa is full of them.
03-07-20, 14:50
jon1959

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Originally Posted by lardy

If he simply said it wasn't genocide, then fine I guess. But the full comment was it's not genocide because look, Africa is full of them.

I have been to two lectures by David Starkey in the past 10 years. He has been the patron of the Friends Of Sheffield Manor Lodge - the local history group that looks after the semi-ruined Manor Castle & Lodge north of Sheffield centre (where Mary Queen Of Scots was held for years) on the edge of the Manor council estate. He does an annual free lecture that is a fundraiser for the group.

Both times he has been entertaining, provocative, pompous and very pleased with himself - but always aware of his audience too, and careful not to really antagonise. He did revel in his identity - camp, monarchist, Tory, intellectual and public figure - the opposite of most of the audience, refusing to conform to what he (falsely) presented as a monolithic liberal culture amongst his fellow historians. He was also anti-Brexit and described Henry 8th as the first Brexiteer for his break with Rome. A pantomime villain most of the time.

This time he has forgotten to put on the act, and let his real views come through unedited. Ironic that he speared himself on a right wing Brexit site. He was dumped as patron of the Friends of Manor Lodge early this afternoon.