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Graham Potter's thoughts on how to succeed as a manager - and why some of City's recent managers may have failed.
Potter (with maybe a sideways dig at Everton) has aired some sage comments about how to succeed as a manager at a football club:
""The mistake is often to think you are better than you are and can succeed in any environment. That is not the case.
"I am ambitious. I want to succeed. But I am no magician. I need help. To be successful as a coach, you need good people around you - staff, board, CEO, the strategy of the club, the structures around it, the players. I have got senior players here who are so helpful and supportive.
"We have a fantastic chairman who provides the clarity, vision and support for us all and allows us to get on with our work.
"Everything around the club gives you a chance as a coach."
City have dismissed several managers in recent years as performances have dipped. One wonders whether any of the aspects outlined by Potter are lacking at the club.
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Originally Posted by
Cyclops
Potter (with maybe a sideways dig at Everton) has aired some sage comments about how to succeed as a manager at a football club:
""The mistake is often to think you are better than you are and can succeed in any environment. That is not the case.
"I am ambitious. I want to succeed. But I am no magician. I need help. To be successful as a coach, you need good people around you - staff, board, CEO, the strategy of the club, the structures around it, the players. I have got senior players here who are so helpful and supportive.
"We have a fantastic chairman who provides the clarity, vision and support for us all and allows us to get on with our work.
"Everything around the club gives you a chance as a coach."
City have dismissed several managers in recent years as performances have dipped. One wonders whether any of the aspects outlined by Potter are lacking at the club.
I would say all, with the possible exception of staff and (most) players.
There seems very little support from those above and even less clarity on what we are trying to do.
The owner and the board seem clueless.
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Originally Posted by
MacAdder
I would say all, with the possible exception of staff and (most) players.
There seems very little support from those above and even less clarity on what we are trying to do.
The owner and the board seem clueless.
And yet Malky and Neil Warnock got us promoted twice under the same board and owner
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Re: Graham Potter's thoughts on how to succeed as a manager - and why some of City's recent managers may have failed.
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Originally Posted by
Cyclops
Potter (with maybe a sideways dig at Everton) has aired some sage comments about how to succeed as a manager at a football club:
""The mistake is often to think you are better than you are and can succeed in any environment. That is not the case.
"I am ambitious. I want to succeed. But I am no magician. I need help. To be successful as a coach, you need good people around you - staff, board, CEO, the strategy of the club, the structures around it, the players. I have got senior players here who are so helpful and supportive.
"We have a fantastic chairman who provides the clarity, vision and support for us all and allows us to get on with our work.
"Everything around the club gives you a chance as a coach."
City have dismissed several managers in recent years as performances have dipped. One wonders whether any of the aspects outlined by Potter are lacking at the club.
Given what he's said there it's a good job for Graham he didn't come here.
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Re: Graham Potter's thoughts on how to succeed as a manager - and why some of City's recent managers may have failed.
if you look at somewhere like man u
since Sir Alec left
Moyes - failed
van gaal - failed
mourinho - failed
ogs - failed
Rangnick already some moaning about him.
some of those guys are capable managers with much success, and OGS, so why doe they all fail there? must be the other things in the club
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We were promoted twice by recruiting the right players to do the job. We were relegated twice, after failing to recruit the right players to do the job. A bit of money spent on either occasion might have allowed us a few more seasons in the top flight.
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tforturton
We were promoted twice by recruiting the right players to do the job. We were relegated twice, after failing to recruit the right players to do the job. A bit of money spent on either occasion might have allowed us a few more seasons in the top flight.
Cardiff were also relegated twice because on both occasions they never had the right manager in charge. Both were clearly out of their depth. Blame Tan for not acting sooner.
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Originally Posted by
Ivortheengine
Cardiff were also relegated twice because on both occasions they never had the right manager in charge. Both were clearly out of their depth. Blame Tan for not acting sooner.
Warnock should never have been allowed to have managed us in the Premier. Apart from his historical failings at that level I also believe he was responsible for convincing a naïve Tan that we didn't need a whole lot of money spent on the squad to survive our first year back.
The mantra about us doing a "Burnley" was started by Warnock without a realistic assessment of the status of the two clubs, the quality of the squads and their management set up.
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Re: Graham Potter's thoughts on how to succeed as a manager - and why some of City's recent managers may have failed.
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Originally Posted by
Don Corleone
And yet Malky and Neil Warnock got us promoted twice under the same board and owner
Agreed - which I why I wrote "some" managers.
But they were in a different class to the other guys who have managed since then, some of whom were relatively inexperienced. Ole has revealed that Tan meddled with his team selection and maybe some tactics - and I'd guess others would make the same complaint.
What I like about Potter is that he's evolved a playing style that works and I enjoy watching. Looking forward to the game against Chelsea tonight.
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Originally Posted by
Ivortheengine
Cardiff were also relegated twice because on both occasions they never had the right manager in charge. Both were clearly out of their depth.
I disagree. I believe that if Malky hadn't shot himself in the foot, we would have stayed up. And we were only a couple of points from surviving under Warnock. If Sala had played, perhaps we would have survived. Warnock was clearly affected by that saga. Both Malky and Warnock were competent managers.
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Originally Posted by
Cyclops
I disagree. I believe that if Malky hadn't shot himself in the foot, we would have stayed up. And we were only a couple of points from surviving under Warnock. If Sala had played, perhaps we would have survived. Warnock was clearly affected by that saga. Both Malky and Warnock were competent managers.
Agree, we were doing okay under Malky until the falling out with Tan ( though at least that did eventually end with getting rid of those damn red shirts!) and Warnock almost kept us up , as you say , a few goals from Sala may well have made the difference , sadly we will never know
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Re: Graham Potter's thoughts on how to succeed as a manager - and why some of City's recent managers may have failed.
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Originally Posted by
Don Corleone
Agree, we were doing okay under Malky until the falling out with Tan ( though at least that did eventually end with getting rid of those damn red shirts!) and Warnock almost kept us up , as you say , a few goals from Sala may well have made the difference , sadly we will never know
I think we were always going down under Malky.
the Sala signing could have kept us up though
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I think we were always going down under Malky.
the Sala signing could have kept us up though
I don't know, results only started to dip from that Liverpool game on and up until that point were averaging about a point a game, that would have kept us up fairly comfortably
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Originally Posted by
City123
I don't know, results only started to dip from that Liverpool game on and up until that point were averaging about a point a game, that would have kept us up fairly comfortably
our xg stats suggested we were the worst team in the league from the start - it usually catches up with you in the end.
we might not have finished bottom under Malky but I think we would still have gone down.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
our xg stats suggested we were the worst team in the league from the start - it usually catches up with you in the end.
'From the start'? Is that so? Even after we beat Man City in the opening game?
My memory is that we had a slightly easier run-in of fixtures to the end of the season after MM was dismissed.
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Re: Graham Potter's thoughts on how to succeed as a manager - and why some of City's recent managers may have failed.
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Originally Posted by
Cyclops
'From the start'? Is that so? Even after we beat Man City in the opening game?
My memory is that we had a slightly easier run-in of fixtures to the end of the season after MM was dismissed.
lol Malky was sacked on the 27th December, I think the run in was the same as everyone elses
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Originally Posted by
Cyclops
'From the start'? Is that so? Even after we beat Man City in the opening game?
My memory is that we had a slightly easier run-in of fixtures to the end of the season after MM was dismissed.
We had a pretty easy run in at the end of the season - West Brom, Palace, Southampton, Stoke, Sunderland, Newcastle, Chelsea. Picked up 5 points and got embarrassed in back to back humiliations in the North East
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
our xg stats suggested we were the worst team in the league from the start - it usually catches up with you in the end.
we might not have finished bottom under Malky but I think we would still have gone down.
That's a surprise, I don't recall us ever looking massively out of our depth under Mackay
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
I think we were always going down under Malky.
the Sala signing could have kept us up though
Me too I thought we would go down under Malky, he never had it in him for me at Premier level. With the Sala situation that will always be an unknown but as Warnock proved with the likes of Decordova-Reid you couldn't always rely upon him to pick his best players when required.
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Originally Posted by
Dorcus
Me too I thought we would go down under Malky, he never had it in him for me at Premier level. With the Sala situation that will always be an unknown but as Warnock proved with the likes of Decordova-Reid you couldn't always rely upon him to pick his best players when required.
yeah our best attacking players were zohore, Murphy and decordova Reid, and we didn't play them all together until the last game of the season I think
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Rjk
lol Malky was sacked on the 27th December, I think the run in was the same as everyone elses
I knew that, but I think our home games in the second half of the season were easier (on paper at least).
All academic now.
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Re: Graham Potter's thoughts on how to succeed as a manager - and why some of City's recent managers may have failed.
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Originally Posted by
Don Corleone
And yet Malky and Neil Warnock got us promoted twice under the same board and owner
Warnock use to wax lyrical about the board and the owner too.
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Originally Posted by
Rjk
our xg stats suggested we were the worst team in the league from the start - it usually catches up with you in the end.
we might not have finished bottom under Malky but I think we would still have gone down.
Under Malky we were getting progressively deeper every week to the stage we were practically defending on our goal line at Anfield! Despite the bright start and a few decent results at home, we were only going in one direction, Ole got us there in a different way.
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Re: Graham Potter's thoughts on how to succeed as a manager - and why some of City's recent managers may have failed.
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Originally Posted by
Don Corleone
And yet Malky and Neil Warnock got us promoted twice under the same board and owner
Shows what decent managers can do at champ level….did it despite the board. Tan did invest quite heavily for this level in the red if I recall, imagine spending £25 million now?
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sneggyblubird
Warnock use to wax lyrical about the board and the owner too.
Playing the game I reckon….
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goats
Playing the game I reckon….
100%
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Fatty Thornton
Under Malky we were getting progressively deeper every week to the stage we were practically defending on our goal line at Anfield! Despite the bright start and a few decent results at home, we were only going in one direction, Ole got us there in a different way.
Totally agree, I wanted him gone after Villa away, didn’t even try and win that game.
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I agree Malay’s team was beginning a lunge in the wrong direction. By the time of that Southampton game, it looked lost. (A matter of weeks after “don’t sack Mackay” commenced.) OGS just accelerated it.
NW on the other hand was a little unlucky. We could well have stayed up that year. The football was also far better than some memories allow.
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Rjk
100%
An expert at it.
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Re: Graham Potter's thoughts on how to succeed as a manager - and why some of City's recent managers may have failed.
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Originally Posted by
Fatty Thornton
Under Malky we were getting progressively deeper every week to the stage we were practically defending on our goal line at Anfield! Despite the bright start and a few decent results at home, we were only going in one direction, Ole got us there in a different way.
We were dreadful under Malky in the promotion season and limped over the line.
I believe we were going down under him he didn't have what it takes.
He's more or less been shit everywhere he's been since to..
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Originally Posted by
stan butler
We were dreadful under Malky in the promotion season and limped over the line.
I believe we were going down under him he didn't have what it takes.
He's more or less been shit everywhere he's been since to..
He was never going to keep us in the Premier with the team he assembled. Not even a star like Gary Medel could paper over the lack of Premier quality. It was a strategy of keeping tight at the back and relying on set pieces to score and that was never going to work in the Premier.
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Re: Graham Potter's thoughts on how to succeed as a manager - and why some of City's recent managers may have failed.
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Originally Posted by
Cyclops
I disagree. I believe that if Malky hadn't shot himself in the foot, we would have stayed up. And we were only a couple of points from surviving under Warnock. If Sala had played, perhaps we would have survived. Warnock was clearly affected by that saga. Both Malky and Warnock were competent managers.
Don't forget the Chelsea offside - shouldn't unde estimate the impact that had
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Re: Graham Potter's thoughts on how to succeed as a manager - and why some of City's recent managers may have failed.
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stan butler
We were dreadful under Malky in the promotion season and limped over the line.
That's just not true. City won the first ten home games of the season, led the league for most of it and were unbeaten for the final eight games, although a number of these were drawn.
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Everything went Chelsea’s way in last 10 or so minutes….offside goal, Rudiger only getting yellow. Also an abject performance at Fulham …Warnock got it wrong there then Palace picked us off at home …….it was so gutting after that 2-0 win at Brighton
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Re: Graham Potter's thoughts on how to succeed as a manager - and why some of City's recent managers may have failed.
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Originally Posted by
City123
I don't know, results only started to dip from that Liverpool game on and up until that point were averaging about a point a game, that would have kept us up fairly comfortably
My feelings about our time in the Premier League with Malky was that we were far too defensive and didn't offer enough in attack. Our midfield was unadventurous and we had little width. Fraiser Campbell was a waste of space up front who missed lots of chances yet was also starved of service.
We started the season ok and Mutch's winner at Fulham put us 11th, 4 points clear of the bottom 3. We lost at home to Newcastle and got a feeble draw at Norwich. Victory over the Jacks meant we were still 4 points clear of the bottom 3.
Our next group of fixtures saw us well beaten at Villa, gain a dismal 0-0 at Stoke and saw us lose to Palace, meaning we were just a point off the bottom 3. Victory over West Brom brought about the 4 point gap with the bottom 3 again, but with 12 goals scored in 16 games, it was clear Malky's defensive displays were hampering our chances.
I remember us being beaten 3-0 by Southampton and thinking this could have happened to us before. It is true that we were never in the bottom 3 under Malky, we managed to find the odd win when we needed it to that point, but there was enough in those 18 games that made me think that if we did end up in the bottom 3, we wouldn't have the attacking mentality or firepower to sort the situation out.
There's maybe a comparison to be made with Warnock's season. After 18 games we'd won 4 in both seasons. Under Malky we'd scored 12, Warnock 18. We had 3 more points under Malky but were only a point outside the bottom 3, we were 2 points clear under Warnock. The big difference was that under Malky we'd conceded 28 goals, 10 less than we did under Warnock, though we did have some real beatings against Man City and Man Utd.
We won promotion under Mackay by being defensively very difficult to break down. We didn't have enough at the other end of the pitch when we were in the Premier League. Cornelius would have made little difference.
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Rjk
yeah our best attacking players were zohore, Murphy and decordova Reid, and we didn't play them all together until the last game of the season I think
Not quite. Zohore was garbage most of that season, to the point where Warnock said publicly that he'd placed his faith in Zohore and he felt let down.
Murphy was marginally more trusted in attack than Reid.
That last game at Old Trafford was only Warnock trying things out ahead of the following season.
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Don Corleone
And yet Malky and Neil Warnock got us promoted twice under the same board and owner
Threw money at promotion. Didn't invest in a decent premier league team. Got ****ed twice.
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NYCBlue
Threw money at promotion. Didn't invest in a decent premier league team. Got ****ed twice.
How much did Malky spend?
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stan butler
How much did Malky spend?
Can’t recall but we appeared as the big spenders that season I think…..I doubt more than 10 million, nothing really by todays standards
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stan butler
How much did Malky spend?
I remember the promotion season we totally outspend everyone in the division, I think about 10m which was huge at the time.
Then on promotion I remember it being said we had spent a record amount for a team that had just been promoted.