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European Super League imminent?
https://twitter.com/martynziegler/st...110736388?s=20
5 English clubs, 3 Spanish and 3 Italian sign up for a breakaway league apparently
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How does it work? I saw a tweet saying it would be midweek games so would it be like the Champions League? However, if it's fixed teams every season, this is an awful idea and would further make the gap between the top clubs bigger. Also, it is a farce that other teams that could break into that level (like possibly Leicester and West Ham and Atalanta) but not in the clique of clubs would be limited, especially via artificial means.
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adz-a32
How does it work? I saw a tweet saying it would be midweek games so would it be like the Champions League? However, if it's fixed teams every season, this is an awful idea and would further make the gap between the top clubs bigger. Also, it is a farce that other teams that could break into that level (like possibly Leicester and West Ham and Atalanta) but not in the clique of clubs would be limited, especially via artificial means.
No idea how it works but 3 of the English clubs that would be the "Super League" are currently 6th, 7th and 9th in the league. Spurs are in but have only once got anywhere near challenging for the Premier League. It's just the big 6 (if Man City join) circling the wagons and protecting their place at the top table
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Best thing that could happen in my view leave the leagues and fans in a better place .
We could then have real football and armchair fantasy football fans .
Let them and their excess go, bring in capped wages per league for those left .
Imagine gaining promotion and knowing you have a chance to compete and not feel inferior or run the risk of bankruptcy trying to compete with thier greed , excess and obscene monopoly.
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Wouldn't it basically turn football into American Football where you have a relatively small number of extremely wealthy franchises and then a lower level of well supported college/club teams whose talent gets cherrypicked for the franchise level?
Money is so great in football now, and so few restrictions on spending money, that's it's naturally heading in that direction so I can't see why they're doing it so aggressively which is more likely to spark resistance.
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Good. They can f*ck off and not come back.
UEFA and the FA have to be firm. No Champions League qualification, no B teams, no domestic cup entry. If you join this league that's it, you can't come back.
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City123
Good. They can f*ck off and not come back.
When you say 'they', I'd hope you're talking about the mega-rich foreign owners and their greedy, out-of-touch CEOs who run these big clubs.
It's not the clubs themselves, it's not their managers and players and it's not their supporters either. If you are judging these clubs on the actions of their owners alone, it's the equivalent of saying Vincent Tan is Cardiff City Football Club.
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Kick em out
They want cake ? Shove it down their throats
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The Lone Gunman
When you say 'they', I'd hope you're talking about the mega-rich foreign owners and their greedy, out-of-touch CEOs who run these big clubs.
It's not the clubs themselves, it's not their managers and players and it's not their supporters either. If you are judging these clubs on the actions of their owners alone, it's the equivalent of saying Vincent Tan is Cardiff City Football Club.
Is that not the reality of modern football though?
When you sell your soul to the devil to try to get to the top then the owners dictate.
He changed the colour of the team kit, installed red seats in the stands with matchstick men doing the ayatollah. He picks who plays for us and manages us. He may not be Cardiff City but he can do what he likes with it and if he saw fit could do it without a second thought for the fans.
Let's say he pumped money in and turned us into a Man City and was looking to put us in this breakaway league. No amount of protests and the like would change that. The club is his to do what he likes with. Sadly fans are customers. The club care about your money and little else. Football has sold its soul and is paying the price.
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Was always going to happen...............
Money has ruined football and sport for that matter 😒
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City123
Good. They can f*ck off and not come back.
UEFA and the FA have to be firm. No Champions League qualification, no B teams, no domestic cup entry. If you join this league that's it, you can't come back.
This has been mentioned before and UEFA were pretty clear on the matter.
It now looks like the plan has gathered momentum. Platini has gone hasn't he :sherlock:
Whether you agree with it or not it's pretty poor timing smack in the middle of a pandemic.
I have to agree though, the "big six" going and wage capping would be a good thing with the real hope of not just surviving ut progressing should promotion occur.
I find most of the premiership games are pretty meaningless and aren't worth watching anyway.
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blue lewj
Is that not the reality of modern football though?
When you sell your soul to the devil to try to get to the top then the owners dictate.
He changed the colour of the team kit, installed red seats in the stands with matchstick men doing the ayatollah. He picks who plays for us and manages us. He may not be Cardiff City but he can do what he likes with it and if he saw fit could do it without a second thought for the fans.
Let's say he pumped money in and turned us into a Man City and was looking to put us in this breakaway league. No amount of protests and the like would change that. The club is his to do what he likes with. Sadly fans are customers. The club care about your money and little else. Football has sold its soul and is paying the price.
Most owners dictate. That’s why they become the owner.
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I am sure it will be on sky for those that have it and want to watch it
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The Lone Gunman
When you say 'they', I'd hope you're talking about the mega-rich foreign owners and their greedy, out-of-touch CEOs who run these big clubs.
It's not the clubs themselves, it's not their managers and players and it's not their supporters either. If you are judging these clubs on the actions of their owners alone, it's the equivalent of saying Vincent Tan is Cardiff City Football Club.
I thought it would be quite obvious that's what I meant?
I'd feel for the genuine fans of the clubs if this happens but its also been obvious for a while now that this is inevitable. It would offer an opportunity to restructure English football into a more sustainable model without these 6 clubs dominating discussions
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Dave Blue
Most owners dictate. That’s why they become the owner.
Yes. Let's not make out that the fans are anything but the few quid they pay to the club though.
We are just a number in modern football.
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City123
I thought it would be quite obvious that's what I meant?
I'd feel for the genuine fans of the clubs if this happens but its also been obvious for a while now that this is inevitable. It would offer an opportunity to restructure English football into a more sustainable model without these 6 clubs dominating discussions
The revolution can't come quick enough for Liverpool fans now the prospect of being out of Europe is real :hehe:
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City123
I thought it would be quite obvious that's what I meant?
I'd feel for the genuine fans of the clubs if this happens but its also been obvious for a while now that this is inevitable. It would offer an opportunity to restructure English football into a more sustainable model without these 6 clubs dominating discussions
Once the fa shit out and let the big five form the Premier League that was it
Hopefully Liverpool , Man United , Barcelona etc can play each other in a round Robin for a couple of seasons , get bored and the rest of football can say naff off when they try to come back
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City123
I thought it would be quite obvious that's what I meant?
Clearly not. I get the impression that you, and others like you, would actually like to see some of the country's biggest clubs break away and form their own league. My view is that would be an absolute disaster which would kill the dreams of millions and damage the professional game in this country beyond repair.
A breakaway would offer an opportunity to restructure English football into a more sustainable model? The truth is that without the biggest clubs the leagues would struggle to attract supporters, sponsors, TV money, etc. It wouldn't be sustainable at all. Millions would simply lose interest. The strength of the game is that the pyramid system, both here and in every other major country, offers everyone a chance to aim for the top or at least somewhere near it. If you remove that option you remove much of what football is all about.
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But as long as UEFA haven't changed their minds and keep telling them that they will not support it these teams will not have any pyramid system?
Won't it just be a league between themselves and a trophy for the winner :shrug:
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The Lone Gunman
Clearly not. I get the impression that you, and others like you, would actually like to see some of the country's biggest clubs break away and form their own league. My view is that would be an absolute disaster which would kill the dreams of millions and damage the professional game in this country beyond repair.
A breakaway would offer an opportunity to restructure English football into a more sustainable model? The truth is that without the biggest clubs the leagues would struggle to attract supporters, sponsors, TV money, etc. It wouldn't be sustainable at all. Millions would simply lose interest. The strength of the game is that the pyramid system, both here and in every other major country, offers everyone a chance to aim for the top or at least somewhere near it. If you remove that option you remove much of what football is all about.
But you aren't removing the pyramid or the opportunity to progress up it, you're removing 6 clubs who have been sucking more and more of the money out of the game and away from the smaller clubs
This was always going to happen, its been proposed plenty over the past couple of years. It may not happen this time around, but it will at some point. These clubs are not what gives the pyramid its prestige or status, it is the pyramid that provides that for the clubs
Will there be less money? Of course there will, but do you think Everton fans will stop watching Everton and Sunderland fans will stop watching Sunderland because of this? No. They and the thousands of other fans will still watch their clubs regardless. I do think it will provide an opportunity to restructure the game, a restructuring that is needed
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they can **** off, selfish Kent's. I hope nobody watches their new league and they come back with their tail between their legs
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City123
But you aren't removing the pyramid or the opportunity to progress up it, you're removing 6 clubs who have been sucking more and more of the money out of the game and away from the smaller clubs.
Let me ask you a simple question: what sort of attendances do you believe a Cardiff City side would attract if they were pushing for promotion to a league where the biggest clubs were the likes of Everton, Leicester, West Ham and Wolves?
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City123
But you aren't removing the pyramid or the opportunity to progress up it, you're removing 6 clubs who have been sucking more and more of the money out of the game and away from the smaller clubs
This was always going to happen, its been proposed plenty over the past couple of years. It may not happen this time around, but it will at some point. These clubs are not what gives the pyramid its prestige or status, it is the pyramid that provides that for the clubs
Will there be less money? Of course there will, but do you think Everton fans will stop watching Everton and Sunderland fans will stop watching Sunderland because of this? No. They and the thousands of other fans will still watch their clubs regardless. I do think it will provide an opportunity to restructure the game, a restructuring that is needed
The situation we have was something that David Conn , an esteemed football writer said was going to happen and he was right
The big clubs want more and more cash and now they are looking for even more
I say feck em
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The Lone Gunman
Let me ask you a simple question: what sort of attendances do you believe a Cardiff City side would attract if they were pushing for promotion to league where the biggest clubs were the likes of Everton, Leicester, West Ham and Wolves?
Probably the same as we got last time around. We'll still be playing Bristol City and Middlesbrough.
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City123
Probably the same as we got last time around.
Fair enough. If you genuinely believe that, the discussion is pointless.
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UEFA have issued a pretty strong statement
https://twitter.com/btsportfootball/...779488781?s=20
It'd be fascinating to see what would happen if the players involved would be banned from playing in international competitions.
Would there be an exodus from the bigger clubs to the likes of Leicester/Wolves/Lazio etc? Could a player break their contract because they never signed up for being banned from playing in World Cups have an advantage. Would the majority of them not care which might give international teams with fewer players at the top clubs an advantage?
The whole thing is mad and has massive implications, saying "feck em, let them go" is incredibly naive about the ramifications of this
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I am sure it will be on sky for those that have it and want to watch it
Dont be so sure.
PPV I reckon.
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Anyone watching Gary Neville on Sky? He's fuming, and good on him. He's just said that Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal should be relegated :hehe:
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delmbox
Anyone watching Gary Neville on Sky? He's fuming, and good on him. He's just said that Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal should be relegated :hehe:
https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/stat...300077569?s=20
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The Lone Gunman
Fair enough. If you genuinely believe that, the discussion is pointless.
What does your crystal ball say?
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PR teams at each club currently desperately trying to think of any honest sounding justification for the plan. They might even settle on 'we didn't know what we were signing, we love you really'.
Didn't Arsenal and Spurs take tax-payer Covid loans?
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delmbox
Anyone watching Gary Neville on Sky? He's fuming, and good on him. He's just said that Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal should be relegated :hehe:
He said they should be docked points. And fined. And so they should. Tomorrow.
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The Lone Gunman
Fair enough. If you genuinely believe that, the discussion is pointless.
Go on then, how many fans would Cardiff average in a season where we're pushing for promotion to the top flight? 10,000? 15,000?
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surge
Wouldn't it basically turn football into American Football where you have a relatively small number of extremely wealthy franchises and then a lower level of well supported college/club teams whose talent gets cherrypicked for the franchise level?
Money is so great in football now, and so few restrictions on spending money, that's it's naturally heading in that direction so I can't see why they're doing it so aggressively which is more likely to spark resistance.
The MLS has 30 teams and an America football style grouping. There is no promotion or relegation. None of the owners want a two or three league system as they believe their money should dictate what happen, not results.
It's one of the reasons the MLS is still way behind other countries.
It won't happen but I would love the six English sides thrown out of the premier League. Absolutely love it.
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NYCBlue
He said they should be docked points. And fined. And so they should. Tomorrow.
Gary Neville is always on point.
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The problem here is that the big clubs and their owners have spent a lot of money to get where they are, and they can't afford NOT to be at the top table each and every season. For any of the 'Big Six' to miss out on the European cash bonanza would be a disaster. So they have to ensure that it doesn't happen. They have to raise the drawbridge.
Someone earlier on said that this was down to American ownership, and to a certain extent that is true - they want a closed shop system, much like the US franchised leagues. But it also applies to anyone who has paid big to get in at the top table - they want and need to keep that position.
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This Super League thing is only a follow on from the instigation of the Premier League when you had the 5 Clubs - Man U, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and Everton all wanting to have more say and more of the forthcoming TV money from sky.The change to the European Cup was again instigated by the big European Clubs led by AC Milan who couldn’t/wouldn’t survive without the money from European competition. They aren’t interested in a league where promotion and relegation are the mainstay of competition.
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Bayern and PSG are hardly among my favourite clubs, but well done to both of them for this - I suppose Bayern’s attitude is not a surprise given how the game is governed in Germany;-
https://theathletic.com/news/europea...g/21wNxzwjkLkd
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Cleve van Leef
This Super League thing is only a follow on from the instigation of the Premier League when you had the 5 Clubs - Man U, Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and Everton all wanting to have more say and more of the forthcoming TV money from sky.The change to the European Cup was again instigated by the big European Clubs led by AC Milan who couldn’t/wouldn’t survive without the money from European competition. They aren’t interested in a league where promotion and relegation are the mainstay of competition.
:thumbup:
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The Lone Gunman
Clearly not. I get the impression that you, and others like you, would actually like to see some of the country's biggest clubs break away and form their own league. My view is that would be an absolute disaster which would kill the dreams of millions and damage the professional game in this country beyond repair.
A breakaway would offer an opportunity to restructure English football into a more sustainable model? The truth is that without the biggest clubs the leagues would struggle to attract supporters, sponsors, TV money, etc. It wouldn't be sustainable at all. Millions would simply lose interest. The strength of the game is that the pyramid system, both here and in every other major country, offers everyone a chance to aim for the top or at least somewhere near it. If you remove that option you remove much of what football is all about.
But would this not mean a much more competitive league? Salary caps, a reliance on youth, limitations on finances? Surely all that those who hate the money in football wish for?