Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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16-11-23, 05:14
the other bob wilson

Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67432393
16-11-23, 07:33
ninian opinian

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

The UK Parliament cannot force Israel or Hamas to a ceasefire.

Keir Starmer cannot force Israel or Hamas to the table.

This was ONLY introduced by the SNP to split Labour.

Now can we PLEASE focus on getting rid of the fascist Tory lunatics in charge?
16-11-23, 07:51
the other bob wilson

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

The UK Parliament cannot force Israel or Hamas to a ceasefire.

Keir Starmer cannot force Israel or Hamas to the table.

This was ONLY introduced by the SNP to split Labour.

Now can we PLEASE focus on getting rid of the fascist Tory lunatics in charge?

Some people are concerned that they won't see much difference to what we have now if and when Labour forms a Government. Just listened to the shadow Defence Secretary saying how Labour will push for a two state solution when elected, but is that a genuine promise or a Starmer one - they're two different things.
16-11-23, 08:51
ninian opinian

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

Some people are concerned that they won't see much difference to what we have now if and when Labour forms a Government. Just listened to the shadow Defence Secretary saying how Labour will push for a two state solution when elected, but is that a genuine promise or a Starmer one - they're two different things.

I think it’s hold your nose time and just use your vote tactically to get rid of this government. The country can’t go on like this.
16-11-23, 08:56
JamesWales

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

I think it’s hold your nose time and just use your vote tactically to get rid of this government. The country can’t go on like this.

I've asked this before, and i do get that sometimes change is needed for changes sake or that people want to punish govts but what are you expecting to get significantly better or different that wouldn't happen anyway?
16-11-23, 09:08
the other bob wilson

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

I think it’s hold your nose time and just use your vote tactically to get rid of this government. The country can’t go on like this.

I agree and that's what I'll be doing, but it would be nice to vote for a party for positive reasons rather than just to get the Tories out.
16-11-23, 09:39
ninian opinian

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by the other bob wilson

I agree and that's what I'll be doing, but it would be nice to vote for a party for positive reasons rather than just to get the Tories out.

I totally agree Bob, what a sad state of affairs.
16-11-23, 09:41
pipster

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

Starma just lost 8 of his front bench apparently, how is his Israel / Hamas policy working out ? :sherlock:
16-11-23, 09:41
ninian opinian

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I've asked this before, and i do get that sometimes change is needed for changes sake or that people want to punish govts but what are you expecting to get significantly better or different that wouldn't happen anyway?

Change for change sake? FFS are you living in a parallel universe. 14 years of an absolute shit show. Corruption, sexual deviance, incompetence, veering to the far right, I could go on and on and on. We need a General election now.
16-11-23, 10:42
A Quiet Monkfish

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by ninian opinian

Change for change sake? FFS are you living in a parallel universe. 14 years of an absolute shit show. Corruption, sexual deviance, incompetence, veering to the far right, I could go on and on and on. We need a General election now.

"sexual deviance" ?? Tell me more..!!!
16-11-23, 10:49
ninian opinian

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by A Quiet Monkfish

"sexual deviance" ?? Tell me more..!!!

Google is your friend! Try “Tory’s,Whip, Sex”. That should give you plenty of info.
16-11-23, 12:13
Doucas

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I've asked this before, and i do get that sometimes change is needed for changes sake or that people want to punish govts but what are you expecting to get significantly better or different that wouldn't happen anyway?

For once I agree with James. I don't think Labour will improve my life or anyone I care about.
16-11-23, 12:44
Rjk

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by Doucas

For once I agree with James. I don't think Labour will improve my life or anyone I care about.

the conservatives have made EVERYTHING worse another 5 years of them and the country will be beyond fixing.
16-11-23, 13:21
Eric Cartman

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I've asked this before, and i do get that sometimes change is needed for changes sake or that people want to punish govts but what are you expecting to get significantly better or different that wouldn't happen anyway?

Are you trying to say there is no difference between the two parties or that politicians don't have enough power to change anything?

I would like a few years of boring, the conservatives are actually creating most of their own problems by endlessly trying to spin everything and pick up brownie points with their base, then the country suffers as they reverse or double down on those silly policies.

I feel Labour are more naturally committed to embracing the opportunities of the future, one of the few tangible positives of a genuine conservative government is that they don't take risks and preserve. They haven't done this for years, they are now just the 'it was better in my day' party, which is depressing.

Starmer is trying to win an election by default, not take any risks and so it's very difficult for anybody to pin point anything tangible that will be improved.

Just less scandal, sleeze, corruption would be a wonderful start, like the stuff that rishi promised and hasn't delivered. I might disagree with starmer on a few things and dislike the way he has embraced playing politics (especially within his own party) but I don't doubt his motivation and integrity. Not sure I can say the same about Rishi. Definitely couldn't say the same about Boris.
16-11-23, 13:31
Taunton Blue Genie

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

You won't find me posting messages supporting the Tories nor the Labour party as neither of them appeal to me and, as a result, I don't get involved the Punch and Judy left v right spats on here.
However, I have to say that this current Conservative government seems to be the most corrupt, devious, unethical, dishonest and despicable bunch I can remember in almost 50 years of voting.
16-11-23, 15:52
Dorcus

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I've asked this before, and i do get that sometimes change is needed for changes sake or that people want to punish govts but what are you expecting to get significantly better or different that wouldn't happen anyway?

A fresher smell about the place and less stink: and I'm not just talking about sewage in the waterways. Now that's what I call refoulment.
16-11-23, 17:07
Dave Blue

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I've asked this before, and i do get that sometimes change is needed for changes sake or that people want to punish govts but what are you expecting to get significantly better or different that wouldn't happen anyway?

That’s a question which would need weeks to put down in writing.
16-11-23, 17:08
Dave Blue

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

You won't find me posting messages supporting the Tories nor the Labour party as neither of them appeal to me and, as a result, I don't get involved the Punch and Judy left v right spats on here.
However, I have to say that this current Conservative government seems to be the most corrupt, devious, unethical, dishonest and despicable bunch I can remember in almost 50 years of voting.

That’s a fair summary.
16-11-23, 18:02
stevo

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

You won't find me posting messages supporting the Tories nor the Labour party as neither of them appeal to me and, as a result, I don't get involved the Punch and Judy left v right spats on here.
However, I have to say that this current Conservative government seems to be the most corrupt, devious, unethical, dishonest and despicable bunch I can remember in almost 50 years of voting.

^^^^^^ Absolutely this ^^^^^
16-11-23, 18:08
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by stevo

^^^^^^ Absolutely this ^^^^^

The Con Lib coalition were a bunch of lying stinkers to be fair
16-11-23, 18:09
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by Taunton Blue Genie

You won't find me posting messages supporting the Tories nor the Labour party as neither of them appeal to me and, as a result, I don't get involved the Punch and Judy left v right spats on here.
However, I have to say that this current Conservative government seems to be the most corrupt, devious, unethical, dishonest and despicable bunch I can remember in almost 50 years of voting.

What about the con lib coalition?
16-11-23, 18:56
JamesWales

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric Cartman

Are you trying to say there is no difference between the two parties or that politicians don't have enough power to change anything?

I would like a few years of boring, the conservatives are actually creating most of their own problems by endlessly trying to spin everything and pick up brownie points with their base, then the country suffers as they reverse or double down on those silly policies.

I feel Labour are more naturally committed to embracing the opportunities of the future, one of the few tangible positives of a genuine conservative government is that they don't take risks and preserve. They haven't done this for years, they are now just the 'it was better in my day' party, which is depressing.

Starmer is trying to win an election by default, not take any risks and so it's very difficult for anybody to pin point anything tangible that will be improved.

Just less scandal, sleeze, corruption would be a wonderful start, like the stuff that rishi promised and hasn't delivered. I might disagree with starmer on a few things and dislike the way he has embraced playing politics (especially within his own party) but I don't doubt his motivation and integrity. Not sure I can say the same about Rishi. Definitely couldn't say the same about Boris.

Thats interesting and it is good to find out peoples thinking. For me, I absolutely understand the desire for change and for drawing a line under various scandals etc.

It's more I suppose how life would get better.
16-11-23, 19:01
stevo

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

What about the con lib coalition?

Not a fan of the Lib Dem’s either.
16-11-23, 19:07
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by stevo

Not a fan of the Lib Dem’s either.

I would be if they had a decent leader

Them and Labour and the greens in coalition would keep the tory rabble out for generations

They are all too stupid to see it though
16-11-23, 19:09
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by stevo

Not a fan of the Lib Dem’s either.

I was suggesting that the con lib coalition was just as bad as the cons on their own , not that I thought they were up to much
16-11-23, 19:10
Dorcus

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

What about the con lib coalition?

That turned out to be a Con
16-11-23, 20:25
SLUDGE FACTORY

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by Dorcus

That turned out to be a Con

I had high hopes before the election when the polls showed that it was likely that the liberals could have a big enough vote to form a coalition with Labour

But as per usual the liberal vote collapsed , the Tories had just enough to tick over and the liberals took the chance to go to bed with the devil's

Whilst the liberals are not best mates with labour they tolerate each other.....but they lost loads of votes by joining up with Cameron and his tosspots

I doubt they will ever recover which is a shame as a Lib lab government is fine by me as it keeps out the horrible lot
03-12-23, 03:45
MOZZER2

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

i see the guardian running with this headline . not sure this will go down too well with some on here ! to me he hasn't got to do anything to win the next election apart from keeping squeaky clean

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Keir Starmer praises Margaret Thatcher for bringing ‘meaningful change’ to UK <a href="https://t.co/pm8atDye6x">https://t.co/pm8atDye6x</a></p>— The Guardian (@guardian) <a href="https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1731130747510047086?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
03-12-23, 05:38
the other bob wilson

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by MOZZER2

i see the guardian running with this headline . not sure this will go down too well with some on here ! to me he hasn't got to do anything to win the next election apart from keeping squeaky clean

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Keir Starmer praises Margaret Thatcher for bringing ‘meaningful change’ to UK <a href="https://t.co/pm8atDye6x">https://t.co/pm8atDye6x</a></p>— The Guardian (@guardian) <a href="https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1731130747510047086?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pretty predictable given his track record.
03-12-23, 08:38
Dave Blue

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

Probably trying to prove to some Tory doubters that he’s not some ogre. They are scared of communists you know. Getting a few blue wall seats wouldn’t hurt, annoying that this sucking up to them is for us reds.
03-12-23, 10:40
pipster

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

Sir Keir sucking up to the Tories and being printed in the Guardian, the leftist of lefty socialist woke newspaper. Desperate grab for the middle ground of middle Engerland. Sir Keir is trying to position himself as Tony Blair II
03-12-23, 11:11
cyril evans awaydays

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by pipster

Sir Keir sucking up to the Tories and being printed in the Guardian, the leftist of lefty socialist woke newspaper. Desperate grab for the middle ground of middle Engerland. Sir Keir is trying to position himself as Tony Blair II

If you hadn't noticed the Tories seem to have vacated the middle ground to I guess it's there for the taking whilst Sunak is held hostage by the fundamentalist right of his party.
03-12-23, 11:31
pipster

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

Thanks for letting me know, I don’t know where I’d be without you love x
03-12-23, 11:36
jon1959

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by pipster

the Guardian, the leftist of lefty socialist woke newspaper.

:hehe:
03-12-23, 11:39
cyril evans awaydays

Re: Labour revolt over SNP ceasefire vote.

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Originally Posted by pipster

Thanks for letting me know, I don’t know where I’d be without you love x

No problem. I'm sure your attempted wind-up sounded better in your head. Put it down to yesterday's tortuous travelogue I guess!

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