Patients sit on bins at overcrowded and visibly dirty UHW A&E unit

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/h...nt-ed-25143713

A Healthcare Inspectorate Wales (HIW) report on the Emergency Department at the University Hospital of Wales found the dignity and safety of patients "has been compromised on an almost daily basis for a sustained period of time".

This was in the summer. Imagine how bad it is going to be in the middle of winter.

The top floor of the heath is allegedly empty too, not because they couldn’t fill it but because they haven’t the staff to run it.

I’ve been in the Heath a few times recently, my own ailments and my Mothers. It was chaos, I feel sorry for the staff because they get the brunt of the abuse when they are under immense pressure.

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The top floor of the heath is allegedly empty too, not because they couldn’t fill it but because they haven’t the staff to run it.

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I’ve been in the Heath a few times recently, my own ailments and my Mothers. It was chaos, I feel sorry for the staff because they get the brunt of the abuse when they are under immense pressure.

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It's a vicious circle. The Welsh NHS can't recruit the staff it needs because it's a shit place to work and the Welsh NHS is a shit place to work because it can't recruit the staff it needs.

Every other night on the main news there is a story about the latest NHS disaster

That's in England

We get the Welsh side of things

It's not great all over the country

My experience of the NHS , focused around Princess Of Wales is that its fantastic

I lost a lot of blood , a bit of weight and had stomach pains . Within 3 weeks I have had an endoscopy and a CT scan and a consultation and given the all clear

Of course other people will have horror stories but a lot of the attacks on the NHS in Wales are from Tories . If you think its bad now God help you if that lot ever get in .

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Originally Posted by UNDERHILL1927

I’ve been in the Heath a few times recently, my own ailments and my Mothers. It was chaos, I feel sorry for the staff because they get the brunt of the abuse when they are under immense pressure.

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Do you think government general idea is to make it so bad that people who have cash just go private? Thus taking some people off waiting lists or away from state care? Can’t imagine how bad it will be in another 25 years

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Every other night on the main news there is a story about the latest NHS disaster

That's in England

We get the Welsh side of things

It's not great all over the country

My experience of the NHS , focused around Princess Of Wales is that its fantastic

I lost a lot of blood , a bit of weight and had stomach pains . Within 3 weeks I have had an endoscopy and a CT scan and a consultation and given the all clear

Of course other people will have horror stories but a lot of the attacks on the NHS in Wales are from Tories . If you think its bad now God help you if that lot ever get in .

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Stomach ulcer?

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Stomach ulcer?

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They were making sure it wasn't bowel cancer which thankfully it wasn't

on a similar theme and not starting a new thread at last managed to book an appointment with a dentist today for February next year just for a check up too !

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on a similar theme and not starting a new thread at last managed to book an appointment with a dentist today for February next year just for a check up too !

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Apparently the plan to address the lack of dentists in Wales is to increase the time between routine checkups to 18 months.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-63067230

A chronic staff shortage has left the NHS in Wales in a "dangerous and precarious state", a union has warned.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-63067230

A chronic staff shortage has left the NHS in Wales in a "dangerous and precarious state", a union has warned.

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My sister in law lost a lot of staff ( she is a private support provider) when the vaccine mandate was threatened, but the government has now done a u-turn on this but the damage was done.

A nurse working for an agency can earn in 3 days what a NHS nurse earns in 5 days. Add the ever increasing population and Covid, it's no wonder the NHS is on its knees.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

Every other night on the main news there is a story about the latest NHS disaster

That's in England

We get the Welsh side of things

It's not great all over the country

My experience of the NHS , focused around Princess Of Wales is that its fantastic

I lost a lot of blood , a bit of weight and had stomach pains . Within 3 weeks I have had an endoscopy and a CT scan and a consultation and given the all clear

Of course other people will have horror stories but a lot of the attacks on the NHS in Wales are from Tories . If you think its bad now God help you if that lot ever get in .

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I'm glad you had a good experience and are better, but FFS Sludge, stop using it as a political football. It gives excuses for shit management and processes within the NHS.

As you say, there are issues irrespective of who happens to be in govt. Between health secretary and patient there are numerous layers of management. I suspect we should be looking there more closely.

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A nurse working for an agency can earn in 3 days what a NHS nurse earns in 5 days. Add the ever increasing population and Covid, it's no wonder the NHS is on its knees.

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It's on its knees because there is not enough investment in it

The conservative central government , despite the recent almighty cock up fund the Welsh NHS . The conservative government are trying to implement tax cuts which will lead to cuts in the NHS , social services etc .

If the Welsh government is getting less funding for the NHS then clearly things are going to get worse .

If you give someone 100 quid to build a wall but you should be giving them 200 quid you are not going to get a very good wall

The Welsh govt are not building a very good wall but they need more money to build a better one

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It's on its knees because there is not enough investment in it

The conservative central government , despite the recent almighty cock up fund the Welsh NHS . The conservative government are trying to implement tax cuts which will lead to cuts in the NHS , social services etc .

If the Welsh government is getting less funding for the NHS then clearly things are going to get worse .

If you give someone 100 quid to build a wall but you should be giving them 200 quid you are not going to get a very good wall

The Welsh govt are not building a very good wall but they need more money to build a better one

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Sorry Sludge, but just endlessly pumping out this opinion is part of the problem. You aren't helping the NHS by just saying it, you are just repeating slogans.

The NHS has never had as much money. The Welsh Govt allocates it's resources and manages the NHS and has done so here in Wales for 20+ years. The SNP has even more autonomy in Scotland and they have the same problems.

There are massive structural issues. We need to strip the politics out of it, get real and sort the thing out for the benefit of us all.

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Sorry Sludge, but just endlessly pumping out this opinion is part of the problem. You aren't helping the NHS by just saying it, you are just repeating slogans.

The NHS has never had as much money. The Welsh Govt allocates it's resources and manages the NHS and has done so here in Wales for 20+ years. The SNP has even more autonomy in Scotland and they have the same problems.

There are massive structural issues. We need to strip the politics out of it, get real and sort the thing out for the benefit of us all.

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so James structural issues you say . Are you saying too many pen pushers and not enough people on the ground within the NHS Wales ?

I,m hearing lots of vacancies within the NHS Wales what type of numbers are we talking here in Wales only ?

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so James structural issues you say . Are you saying too many pen pushers and not enough people on the ground within the NHS Wales ?

I,m hearing lots of vacancies within the NHS Wales what type of numbers are we talking here in Wales only ?

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I base what I say there on knowing numerous people who work in the NHS. I also know that using it as a political football is deeply unhelpful

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I base what I say there on knowing numerous people who work in the NHS. I also know that using it as a political football is deeply unhelpful

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Well I got to know loads of NHS staff during the last few years of my mother's life and the people using the NHS for gain more than anyone else was the Tories

The doctors , nurses and care workers I spoke to were appalled at the way Johnson and his lot jumped on the clap the NHS bollocks and deflected away from the crap situation so many found themselves in

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

I base what I say there on knowing numerous people who work in the NHS. I also know that using it as a political football is deeply unhelpful

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You won’t like this, but hasn’t Brexit ensured that the pool of those willing to work in the NHS has got smaller? I accept that it’s hardly the same as picking fruit, but the numbers of UK based people willing to do certain jobs has decreased surely?

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It's on its knees because there is not enough investment in it

The conservative central government , despite the recent almighty cock up fund the Welsh NHS . The conservative government are trying to implement tax cuts which will lead to cuts in the NHS , social services etc .

If the Welsh government is getting less funding for the NHS then clearly things are going to get worse .

If you give someone 100 quid to build a wall but you should be giving them 200 quid you are not going to get a very good wall

The Welsh govt are not building a very good wall but they need more money to build a better one

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Isn't the Welsh Government diverting funding from other areas to better fund the Welsh NHS a possibility?

You'll also be aware the current UK government is collecting more in tax revenues than any government previously.

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

It's on its knees because there is not enough investment in it

The conservative central government , despite the recent almighty cock up fund the Welsh NHS . The conservative government are trying to implement tax cuts which will lead to cuts in the NHS , social services etc .

If the Welsh government is getting less funding for the NHS then clearly things are going to get worse .

If you give someone 100 quid to build a wall but you should be giving them 200 quid you are not going to get a very good wall

The Welsh govt are not building a very good wall but they need more money to build a better one

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This is where you just guess when it comes to making outlandish statements. The NHS is massively funded , if you do a bit of research.

Here is an example~ UK’s post Brexit EU “divorce bill” reaches €50 billion, confirms Treasury... up from €40-45bn. The NHS burns through all that in less than 3 months!

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This is where you just guess when it comes to making outlandish statements. The NHS is massively funded , if you do a bit of research.

Here is an example~ UK’s post Brexit EU “divorce bill” reaches €50 billion, confirms Treasury... up from €40-45bn. The NHS burns through all that in less than 3 months!

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There are 68m or so people in the UK. Assuming the NHS has a total budget of £204bn, that's £3k per man, woman and child per annum. Hospitals don't build themselves, and medical equipment (with all its precision) isn't known for being mass produced production line stuff. Training each doctor to registrar level can cost upwards of £400k, and training them beyond that even more.

The NHS has many issues, but it does an awful lot with the budget it does have. Private healthcare has its place (I know, I have it) but I'm more than happy to pay more in tax and NI if its earmarked for the NHS. Everyone deserves high quality healthcare as a basic right, and the only way to achieve that is to increase the funding in the NHS.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

There are 68m or so people in the UK. Assuming the NHS has a total budget of £204bn, that's £3k per man, woman and child per annum. Hospitals don't build themselves, and medical equipment (with all its precision) isn't known for being mass produced production line stuff. Training each doctor to registrar level can cost upwards of £400k, and training them beyond that even more.

The NHS has many issues, but it does an awful lot with the budget it does have. Private healthcare has its place (I know, I have it) but I'm more than happy to pay more in tax and NI if its earmarked for the NHS. Everyone deserves high quality healthcare as a basic right, and the only way to achieve that is to increase the funding in the NHS.

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:thumbup: (apart from the private healthcare bit).

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:thumbup: (apart from the private healthcare bit).

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My point is rather than pumping money into it to solve a problem, why not encourage the population to take up exercise , promote healthy eating , even use some of the huge NHS budget to subsidise fruit and vegetables?

Alcohol consumption could be another area where the usage could be cut.

Process changes drive efficiencies.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

This is where you just guess when it comes to making outlandish statements. The NHS is massively funded , if you do a bit of research.

Here is an example~ UK’s post Brexit EU “divorce bill” reaches €50 billion, confirms Treasury... up from €40-45bn. The NHS burns through all that in less than 3 months!

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You are talking out of your arse

It's not funded enough , it needs more and will continue to do so

The Tories are talking about tax cuts to give to their rich mates

At a time when we need more income to pay for the NHS , Public services , Care

You are Potty

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

My point is rather than pumping money into it to solve a problem, why not encourage the population to take up exercise , promote healthy eating , even use some of the huge NHS budget to subsidise fruit and vegetables?

Alcohol consumption could be another area where the usage could be cut.

Process changes drive efficiencies.

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Well we need both , clearly 🙄

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

Isn't the Welsh Government diverting funding from other areas to better fund the Welsh NHS a possibility?

You'll also be aware the current UK government is collecting more in tax revenues than any government previously.

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They are doing that because they need more resources

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

There are 68m or so people in the UK. Assuming the NHS has a total budget of £204bn, that's £3k per man, woman and child per annum. Hospitals don't build themselves, and medical equipment (with all its precision) isn't known for being mass produced production line stuff. Training each doctor to registrar level can cost upwards of £400k, and training them beyond that even more.

The NHS has many issues, but it does an awful lot with the budget it does have. Private healthcare has its place (I know, I have it) but I'm more than happy to pay more in tax and NI if its earmarked for the NHS. Everyone deserves high quality healthcare as a basic right, and the only way to achieve that is to increase the funding in the NHS.

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The problem with the Tories is that they tell everyone they are building 40 new hospitals and end up building 5

Either we increase the funding to the NHS through public money ......and face the fact it will always fail for some

Or say feck it and let the private sector take it on , that will be a laugh

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Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY

The problem with the Tories is that they tell everyone they are building 40 new hospitals and end up building 5

Either we increase the funding to the NHS through public money ......and face the fact it will always fail for some

Or say feck it and let the private sector take it on , that will be a laugh

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The NHS cuts started under Margaret Thatcher, and had carried on under numerous governments since ( both with Labour and Conservative) with the exception I would say of Gordon Brown.

If this is the case then clearly it’s by design.

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Originally Posted by TWGL1

The NHS cuts started under Margaret Thatcher, and had carried on under numerous governments since ( both with Labour and Conservative) with the exception I would say of Gordon Brown.

If this is the case then clearly it’s by design.

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In order to provide a decent health service .....and even then there will be issues ......the cuts you are talking about need to be reversed long term , into investment

And that's going to cost us money

If we don't spend more on the nhs and social care then these horror stories will continue

It's no more complicated than that .......

NHS is a cash grab (IMHO)
needs to be broken up
There is far too much money swilling around in the NHS
Piss Poor management spunking away on endless sh*t
Tiers of evening dress and suited non medical staff
It was a great concept and should be handed over to some sort of non-profit organistaion with no political interests
not a nationalised industry so much money in it, it's open to bribary corruption abuse just look at the contracts handed out during the scamdemic.

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Originally Posted by goats

Do you think government general idea is to make it so bad that people who have cash just go private? Thus taking some people off waiting lists or away from state care? Can’t imagine how bad it will be in another 25 years

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Potentially mate, I’m lucky I had the means to go private to get my results/follow up scans quickly.

It’s just another sign that this country is falling apart at the seams.

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Originally Posted by DryCleaning

There are 68m or so people in the UK. Assuming the NHS has a total budget of £204bn, that's £3k per man, woman and child per annum. Hospitals don't build themselves, and medical equipment (with all its precision) isn't known for being mass produced production line stuff. Training each doctor to registrar level can cost upwards of £400k, and training them beyond that even more.

The NHS has many issues, but it does an awful lot with the budget it does have. Private healthcare has its place (I know, I have it) but I'm more than happy to pay more in tax and NI if its earmarked for the NHS. Everyone deserves high quality healthcare as a basic right, and the only way to achieve that is to increase the funding in the NHS.

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The total spend is £474m per day :hehe: excluding outsourcing, I don’t think it needs more expenditure.
The funding envelope is £192bn

Around 10.2 % of GDP