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Warnock claims this in his press conference, almost hints Immers ripped up his contract to move closer to home. If so, fair play to Lex, I can't imagine many players would do that.
Also, Warnock says we didn't pay anywhere near £2m for him.
Manga to possibly stay as well, I can't see him signing a new deal but maybe the club aren't fielding any offers.
I would have taken a guess that it would have been a deal favouring the club over the player, the deal happened too quickly with the club also not looking to move the player on. If you look at the other players released we desperately try to offload them for a couple of transfer windows before we bight the bullet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Sounds right to me - it seems that, far from paying £2 million for Immers, we may not have paid a transfer fee for him at all. This piece from yesterdayQuote:
Originally Posted by qccfc
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/c...mmers-12432373
includes the following
"According to the Bluebirds hierarchy, Immers actually arrived on a free transfer from Feyenoord, so they didn't feel duty bound to recoup any fee paid to the Dutch club."
It may not have worked out in the end for Immers here, but, given how he played last season, if it's true we got him for nothing, then it has to be seen as good work by the much derided (including by myself) transfer committee.
This will ruin Chepstow's day ...
Fair play to Immers if he ripped it up. The fact that he had another club so quickly would suggest he had been looking to move quickly.
All this unfortunate episode demonstrates is how little pre transfer investigative work is being done at our club. One minutes he signs the next minute hes wants out. Do you really think that kind of individual would have been signed under MM when he was restructuring our club.... I dont think so somehow. Nor any of the other numpties tan choo and delhman signed in aug either..... All of whom we either havent used or dont want now..... And that includes the appointed manager and all his staff. However why should we be surprised just look how many Ceo and other underlings have come and gone under tan. MM checked players out their backgrounds the track records etc signing gunna turner taylor cowie etc and i should remind you we pissed the league within two seasons aswell as a cup final and a play placeQuote:
Originally Posted by Vimana.
In chepstow's world, the clouds never have a silver lining.
And then we got Ole in........Quote:
Originally Posted by chepstow
Did Malky's famous dossiers really include information on players' partners pregnancies? That (apart from a catastrophic loss of form) seems to be the main reason for Immers wanting to move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by chepstow
If so the 'investigative work' he and Moody put in should be celebrated even more. The 'gold standard' for transfer dossiers!
Give me MM all day long mate. At least he had a plan on who he wanted and stuck with it. Even NW has alreadt got rid of two or Three he bought in just a couple of months ffs. We are beyond help at the moment its like a never ending revolving door. Name me another side in all four divs who bought in as many players as us in aug who now dont want any of them. Ffs we sold both our goalies in 7 days and left ourselves without one on a match day and now the two weve bought in we dont want anymore...... Its farcical the way the club is being run at the mo and as i said in aug we will end up with 3 managers this season if were not careful ??Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Give me MM all day long mate. At least he had a plan on who he wanted and stuck with it. Even NW has alreadt got rid of two or Three he bought in just a couple of months ffs. We are beyond help at the moment its like a never ending revolving door. Name me another side in all four divs who bought in as many players as us in aug who now dont want any of them. Ffs we sold both our goalies in 7 days and left ourselves without one on a match day and now the two weve bought in we dont want anymore...... Its farcical the way the club is being run at the mo and as i said in aug we will end up with 3 managers this season if were not careful ??Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
You may sneer at Malky's transfer scrutinies but we had a thread about Payet's antics at West Ham. No way would he have passed MM's slide rule investigation. Surely that is the responsible way to conduct a club's transfer policy.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Well its lot tougher now for Warnock as all the cash has gone, spent by MM and OGS , love to see them operating now with FFP and all the constraints that brings with players movement in or out .Quote:
Originally Posted by chepstow
Warnock's task as was Slade's was/is far tougher than the free flowing cash era of Malky , who in my view was partly responsible for the mess we are in , so no thanks , I don't fancy the MM plan , as he didn't seem to plan well once we were up in the Premiership .
Malky didn't have any plans for the premiership. Us getting to the premier league was about a freak season as Leicester winning it.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
The way we ended that season was dreadful but lucky that the teams around us didn't take advantage..
You are talking complete rubbish. I am not condoning the mistakes made in the summer we entered the prem.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler
But MM stewrdship in the championship will stand up against any scrutiny and makes the current position look even more shocking. We didnt take advatage of other clubs at all the season is 46 games and during that time we kept 19 clean sheets. Thats not luck it good management and game planning. Incidentally ...... What did we do with the two centre backs and full backs who starred in that team...... We gave them all away including our club captain!
MM did not spend fortunes at all in the championship in fact in real terms prob no more than now. Gunna taylor cowie mason kenny helguson etc were no real money and turner was only £750k. Compare those players to wots going on now????
He spent in exces of £12 million to get promotion to the PL.Quote:
Originally Posted by chepstow
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Originally Posted by stan butler
I totally disagree with that Stan. Malky built a squad to get us out of the division. What the squad lacked in flair it made up in character.
Although different sides in footballing terms, Mackay's Cardiff and Eddie Howe's Bournemouth, were promotion-winning sides put together in similar ways. Decent transfer fees paid for players who were 'under the radar', but who proved excellent value...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
To use the fact that Warnock has got rid of Chamakh and Richardson against him is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by chepstow
The guy brought in Hoilett and Bamba when the window wasn't even open and personally i think signing those two players is punching above our weight, especially on free transfers.
He signed Chamakh and Richardson on 2 month contracts and told them "prove yourselves", they didn't now they're gone!
You know that two but you're only interested in scoring points
Wot you talking about ....... Look at the transfer fiasco in aug!!Quote:
Originally Posted by thehumblegringo
Dont just look at NW business look at all the players we have taken in this season that we now dont appear to want. Wot is your opion on that do you not find it Crazy business as most have been given long term contracts?
Could you remind me of the £12m player details over the two years leading upto to our winning the championship?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Why are you so concerned with the financial dealings with the club?Quote:
Originally Posted by chepstow
We all know the where the club is right now in monetary terms, and whilst errors were made, they are being put right.
Just go to the game, cheer the team and enjoy the ride. That's what a football fan is. The finance concerns are for the guys in the boardroom.
Peanuts in the grand scheme of things. It's less than one Ross McCormackQuote:
Originally Posted by Cleve van Leef
Chepstow sounds like someone who runs another forumQuote:
Originally Posted by Superdad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E...._season#SquadQuote:
Originally Posted by chepstow
First read the "12 million" quote and thought it was ridiculous but reading that its mad to think how quickly it added up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
Its nothing is it really.....Quote:
Originally Posted by The Bob Banker Spanker
£1m for hudson what a captain
£750k for big ben
£500k for matty conolly
Nothing for don
Nothing for conway
Nothing for taylor
£500k for marshall
And now ........
What a joke!!!
Up until the point that we were instructed not to like him he was considered the messiah down here.Quote:
Originally Posted by chepstow
Now, he didn't have a clue what he was doing from start to finish according to the majority??
Marshall and Hudson were signed by DJ not Malky.Quote:
Originally Posted by chepstow
Some of Malky's signings were:
Kiss - £500k
Kimbo - £2m
Noone £1m
Mutch £2m
Etien £1.5m (yes, seriously!)
Maynard £2.5m
Frazier £650k
Now some of those guys were good players, some of them an even better bit of businesss but yes, Malay spent over £10m assembling that promotion winning squad, great manager imho, but imagine what warnock could do for us with £12m to spend.
Would it be better than winning the division easily and getting to a major cup final?Quote:
Originally Posted by TH63
I went to the trouble of finding the details that you asked for of the £12m that Malky spent, now you're saying £12m is nothing while praising Malky for buying Hudson and Marshall. Bizarre.Quote:
Originally Posted by chepstow
2 of those were signed by Dave Jones you ****ing doughnutQuote:
Originally Posted by chepstow
Sorry, how does that mean we saved a seven figure fee?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pedro de la Rosa
Weird thread this. Where did you see the word fee in that post?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kris
:hehe:Quote:
Originally Posted by Loramski
No one said the club saved a seven figure fee. The saving is on wages - if you believe the manager, club and local press.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kris
Most of the recent reports now seem to agree that there was no fee (or a nominal fee) for Immers to sign from Feyenoord, but that he was on just under £15k pw. It was a 2 year contract. He has gone after 6 months by mutual agreement, and the implication of Warnock's last interview was that he 'tore up his contract' in order to play some football and be at a club just 90 minutes away from his partner and new baby.
So 18 months wage savings = approx £1.17m, a seven figure sum.
Immers' posted this on his twitter (to which Noone and Pilkington responded wishing him) and the story about him ripping up his contract would suggest a genuinely positive relationship between us and him.Quote:
Had a great time @CardiffCityFC Thanks to everybody in and around the club. Some things can change your life, i should always love this club
There was a massive difference between Malky's first season here and his second and third. The first seemed to be about long term planning, the second about instant success and the third a bit of a mess all round. I don't think he did enough to build for the premier league in the second season windows however he met the targets he was given ("promotion or sacked", wasn't it?) and was probably our last successful transfer period because of this. Kiss has been brought up but I seem to remember him being signed before Tan wished for far greater ambition so more of a first season buy than second despite when it happened. I think the most impressive job Malky did however was probably in his first season and that we have come somewhat full circle back to that strategy (limited funds, mixing clever buys with restructuring the club in order to push for play-offs) is testament to that.
Malky's first season did have the one advantage of a clean slate to work with. Warnock is trying to do a similar job but has a full squad, some of whom aren't good enough, which was signed under 5 previous managers and probably 8 different ideas for how the club should be run. Therefore I think some leeway should be extended to him (and indeed Slade and Trollope who had to follow Ole and transfer committee) in his cheap punts this season. Perhaps he should do more over the summer but if we're saying he's got a 50% success rate so far then things are looking far more positive.
If we are factoring in money spent and money recuperated on transfers into how successful they are then we should look to Spurs and try to identify why they are so good at selling players. So many of our players of late have left with us desperate for them to go (inflated wages and/or not playing because we don't think they are good enough) which has put us in a weak negotiation position. I reckon that is far more down to Ole and the transfer committee during his windows than it was to do with any other manager. We should also maybe look into why Spurs are not always the best at buying but this post is probably already far too long.
He did. He was given a 3 year time limit to get us into the top flight. After his first season went so well, Tan and others thought promotion could be achieved more quickly and changed their mind, wanting promotion in the season we gained it.Quote:
Originally Posted by stan butler