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Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
Haven't seen a thread on this yet.
AJ's got his work cut out I think, Usyk's very capable of winning on points. AJ seems to have slimmed down a bit which is either very clever in preparation for a man he might have to chase for 12 rounds. Or looked at another way he might be preparing to box a far superior boxer and he should have stayed big and tried to walk him down with his power.
I did have Fury to beat Wilder all day long but, and maybe I'm just getting caught up in the pre fight talk, I'm not so sure now.
Wilder seems focused beyond belief and Fury's been out of the game for a long time and he's not one to keep himself fit. I know he's brought himself back before but he's not getting any younger and I wonder if a little bit of complacency might kick in after how easy it was last time
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
Fury might have to watch it , Wilder does seem more up for it, I would not underestimate a man that has such a destructive right hand , it has taken out 41 boxers ,if it lands look out .
I think AJ learned a big lesson Andy Ruiz Jr , however delmbox points out Usyk's is very capable , but I think AJ will spark him out .
What price on two knockouts ,Wilder & AJ within 5 rounds ?
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
I dont buy into usyk being this boxing machine. He couldn't dominate chisora, didnt dominate bellew when boxing who are 2 levels down from AJ.
I dont see AJ as a massive puncher but he throws fast. He was so dominate in the rematch with ruiz who is a very good boxer, first few rounds will be interesting to see if he can hurt him.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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Originally Posted by
delmbox
Haven't seen a thread on this yet.
AJ's got his work cut out I think, Usyk's very capable of winning on points. AJ seems to have slimmed down a bit which is either very clever in preparation for a man he might have to chase for 12 rounds. Or looked at another way he might be preparing to box a far superior boxer and he should have stayed big and tried to walk him down with his power.
I did have Fury to beat Wilder all day long but, and maybe I'm just getting caught up in the pre fight talk, I'm not so sure now.
Wilder seems focused beyond belief and Fury's been out of the game for a long time and he's not one to keep himself fit. I know he's brought himself back before but he's not getting any younger and I wonder if a little bit of complacency might kick in after how easy it was last time
Usyk will have to win by a wide margin in order to get a decision in the UK and on one of Uncle Eddie's cards. Fury will batter wilder. Wilder can't box, fury has taken his best shots and beaten him twice. Shouldn't even be a trilogy. Fury had Wilders number.Also, Wilder should have taken a warm up fight after the beating he took.
I hope usyk beats Joshua. My prediction is that usyk will start quickly. Joshua will hopefully gas out.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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mazadona10
I dont buy into usyk being this boxing machine. He couldn't dominate chisora, didnt dominate bellew when boxing who are 2 levels down from AJ.
I dont see AJ as a massive puncher but he throws fast. He was so dominate in the rematch with ruiz who is a very good boxer, first few rounds will be interesting to see if he can hurt him.
Usyk dominated Bellew for the final 3 rounds of that fight, softened him and brutally knocked Anthony spark out.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
Im not buying into the Usyk hype either. He made Bellew look like Floyd Mayweather for a few rounds. Good fighter no doubt but just how good I dont know.
However I dont think AJ is that great either.
Great fighters lose and come back but that defeat to Ruiz was an embarrassment.
Basically run and jabbed his way to a points win which was an ok performance.
I think AJ will probably win on points.
Wilder is a one trick pony but its one hell of a weapon.
I think Fury stops him again though.
Then Fury outclasses and stops Joshua.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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Tuerto
Usyk dominated Bellew for the final 3 rounds of that fight, softened him and brutally knocked Anthony spark out.
But that was half the fight and bellew is not a good fighter. He couldn't hurt Cleverley and managed to just about beat haye on 1 leg.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
Both fights are too close to call in my opinion.
Usk is an excellent technician and despite the questions about the size differential he is hardly a blown up middleweight . Joshua is the bigger hitter and has worked hard on his ring craft since the surprise stoppage against Ruiz. I would probably back AJ on balance as he is more likely to win by a stoppage, on paper, and has home advantage .
The Wilder v Fury fight is even harder to call. Mainly because we have no idea what Fury will turn up ,a fit and motivated one or one who has crash dieted and flogged himself to get into shape. Against that he is blatantly a better boxer than Wilder who has previously been wild and a bit of a one trick pony.
However, what a one trick and if Fury drops his concentration then he may well be knocked out.
I’m going to back Fury, but by the slimmest of margins ,on the basis that he has Wilders number after the first two fights.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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Majorblue
Both fights are too close to call in my opinion.
Usk is an excellent technician and despite the questions about the size differential he is hardly a blown up middleweight . Joshua is the bigger hitter and has worked hard on his ring craft since the surprise stoppage against Ruiz. I would probably back AJ on balance as he is more likely to win by a stoppage, on paper, and has home advantage .
The Wilder v Fury fight is even harder to call. Mainly because we have no idea what Fury will turn up ,a fit and motivated one or one who has crash dieted and flogged himself to get into shape. Against that he is blatantly a better boxer than Wilder who has previously been wild and a bit of a one trick pony.
However, what a one trick and if Fury drops his concentration then he may well be knocked out.
I’m going to back Fury, but by the slimmest of margins ,on the basis that he has Wilders number after the first two fights.
This is basically how I see it
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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Tuerto
Usyk will have to win by a wide margin in order to get a decision in the UK and on one of Uncle Eddie's cards. Fury will batter wilder. Wilder can't box, fury has taken his best shots and beaten him twice. Shouldn't even be a trilogy. Fury had Wilders number.Also, Wilder should have taken a warm up fight after the beating he took.
I hope usyk beats Joshua. My prediction is that usyk will start quickly. Joshua will hopefully gas out.
Usyk seems like a likeable guy but I like Joshua, hope he beats Usyk then smashes Fury (although I think Fury definitely wins that one)
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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mazadona10
But that was half the fight and bellew is not a good fighter. He couldn't hurt Cleverley and managed to just about beat haye on 1 leg.
I see that fight differently. In my opinion, usyk was just getting a feel for Bellew. At no point in that fight did I think that Bellew had a chance. When usyk decided to step on the gas, he started to take Bellew apart, almost Knocking him out at the end of the 5th? Usyk is clever, he has that on his side, I hope he beats Joshua, although that could be difficult.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
Usyk is a marvelous boxer it was a thing of beauty to see him dismantle Anthony.
Some cruisers can step up, sadly I think that Usyk has been shown to be too small at heavy.
I think AJ stops him late.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
AJ beats Usyk comfortably for me and Fury beats Wilder comfortably again. AJ and Fury too big and fast for them
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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UNDERHILL1927
AJ beats Usyk comfortably for me and Fury beats Wilder comfortably again. AJ and Fury too big and fast for them
I don't think that AJ will be too fast for Usyk.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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Tuerto
I don't think that AJ will be too fast for Usyk.
Yeah much less so than Fury, hard to hit then, although Usyk has the technical skills. I think Fury will have an easier night than AJ will
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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UNDERHILL1927
Yeah much less so than Fury, hard to hit then, although Usyk has the technical skills. I think Fury will have an easier night than AJ will
I hope you're right. I don't mind Joshua, just don't like Hearn. I just hope that it's a really good fight. Need to take a look what's on the undercard.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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Tuerto
I hope you're right. I don't mind Joshua, just don't like Hearn. I just hope that it's a really good fight. Need to take a look what's on the undercard.
It’s a pretty poor undercard.
Just watched a few Usyk interviews.
He is amazingly funny and relaxed, it must be hard not to like the guy.
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Wash DC Blue
It’s a pretty poor undercard.
Just watched a few Usyk interviews.
He is amazingly funny and relaxed, it must be hard not to like the guy.
Yeah, those eyes :hehe:
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
I think Usyk has a lot of skill but realises that he doesn't have the power to hurt Joshua on most occasions. You could get the odd Andy Ruiz shock but they are few and far between. So basically I think Usyk tries to move Joshua around in an attempt to outbox him and win on points or steps it up if Joshua shows any sign of gassing. I believe this is why Joshua has lost the weight, so that he doesn't gas or limits the chance of that happening.
I'd also hazard a guess that Joshua still feels at that weight he has the power to get Usyk out of there if he feels there is chance at any stage.
It is an interesting one though no doubt.
The Fury-Wilder fight I can see going in a similar way if Fury is right for the fight. Wilder will be almost 36 by the time the fight happens and time waits for no man but he has that equaliser in that he can finish it with one punch. Fury blasts off with a high work rate from the off and pushes Wilder out of his comfort zone, which we all know is back foot and waiting to land that big shot, and I think Fury wins again. I think this one is more dependant on how well prepared Fury is rather than what skills Wilder has. A fully prepared and fit Fury has Wilder's number.
It is heavyweight boxing though and if we are posting on here after both fights about Usyk beating AJ on points and how Wilder caught an under prepared Fury and knocked him cold then it wouldn't be totally out of the realms of possibility.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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Tuerto
I hope you're right. I don't mind Joshua, just don't like Hearn. I just hope that it's a really good fight. Need to take a look what's on the undercard.
Its a desparately poor undercard.
Callum Smith and Lawrence Okolie both huge odds on favourites against what look no hopers. Ricky Hattons boy Campbell who if he wasnt Ricky Hattons son would be fighting in some small hall card with no TV coverage.
A poor show apart from the main event.
Hearns last show for Sky I believe.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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blue lewj
I think Usyk has a lot of skill but realises that he doesn't have the power to hurt Joshua on most occasions. You could get the odd Andy Ruiz shock but they are few and far between. So basically I think Usyk tries to move Joshua around in an attempt to outbox him and win on points or steps it up if Joshua shows any sign of gassing. I believe this is why Joshua has lost the weight, so that he doesn't gas or limits the chance of that happening.
I'd also hazard a guess that Joshua still feels at that weight he has the power to get Usyk out of there if he feels there is chance at any stage.
It is an interesting one though no doubt.
The Fury-Wilder fight I can see going in a similar way if Fury is right for the fight. Wilder will be almost 36 by the time the fight happens and time waits for no man but he has that equaliser in that he can finish it with one punch. Fury blasts off with a high work rate from the off and pushes Wilder out of his comfort zone, which we all know is back foot and waiting to land that big shot, and I think Fury wins again. I think this one is more dependant on how well prepared Fury is rather than what skills Wilder has. A fully prepared and fit Fury has Wilder's number.
It is heavyweight boxing though and if we are posting on here after both fights about Usyk beating AJ on points and how Wilder caught an under prepared Fury and knocked him cold then it wouldn't be totally out of the realms of possibility.
Agree with most of this. Joshuas weight loss has to be because they think its likely to be a long one. If Usyks chin is able to stand up to Joshuas big shots then stands landing his own then this could get interesting.
I think on a Eddie Hearn card in the UK Usyk is going to have to force a stoppage or floor Joshua a few times. I dont see many if any close rounds going Usyks way.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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Hilts
Agree with most of this. Joshuas weight loss has to be because they think its likely to be a long one. If Usyks chin is able to stand up to Joshuas big shots then stands landing his own then this could get interesting.
I think on a Eddie Hearn card in the UK Usyk is going to have to force a stoppage or floor Joshua a few times. I dont see many if any close rounds going Usyks way.
Oh some of the judges cards on the Hearn fight nights have been awful. Hearn hasn't fooled me with his synthetic outrage at the judges after the one fight night either.
When it happens I usually say I'm never watching again, what a farce it all is and then roll on a month or two I'm still paying for it the very next time or attending in person.
It's a bit like watching City 😀
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
Press conference Live Now. Unfortunately Adam Smith and Eddie Hearn speaking 1st.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
Eddie " Joshua has the best resume of any recent heavyweight" then names Charles Martin.😂😂😂
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
Joshua between 5th and 7th round.
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Hilts
Eddie " Joshua has the best resume of any recent heavyweight" then names Charles Martin.😂😂😂
Sure I've seen it published somewhere that Joshua has fought the better opponents when it's worked out. Might need to Google this...
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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dembethewarrior
Sure I've seen it published somewhere that Joshua has fought the better opponents when it's worked out. Might need to Google this...
He has. I think the laughter was at the Charles Martin mention who basically struck it lucky after Fury was stripped.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
Charles Martin is possibly the worst Champion in Heavyweight history.
I think he included Dominic Brezeale as well who Wilder kod in 1.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
Joshua apart from fighting Fury and Wilder. Who I think the Ring would have as 1 and 3 in the world has taken on the best of whats available otherwise.
His best win though is an ageing well past his best Klitshko. A good win over Whyte but a lot of over the hill ageing fighters as well like Pulev and Povetkin.
Its really hard to judge how good he is and that loss to Ruiz is a bad loss on the resume.
However its not his fault the division is relatively poor but id question not getting the Wilder fight before Fury came back.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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Hilts
Joshua apart from fighting Fury and Wilder. Who I think the Ring would have as 1 and 3 in the world has taken on the best of whats available otherwise.
His best win though is an ageing well past his best Klitshko. A good win over Whyte but a lot of over the hill ageing fighters as well like Pulev and Povetkin.
Its really hard to judge how good he is and that loss to Ruiz is a bad loss on the resume.
However its not his fault the division is relatively poor but id question not getting the Wilder fight before Fury came back.
Weren't Aj Klitschko just 18 months after the fury fight? One danced away and the other went head into it getting a massive KO after being dragged through deep waters?
Otto wallin, Tom schwartz, francesco Pianeta, sefer seferi, Christian Hamer.
Ageing AJ opponents yes, but you could argue they are still better than the lot named above.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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dembethewarrior
Weren't Aj Klitschko just 18 months after the fury fight? One danced away and the other went head into it getting a massive KO after being dragged through deep waters?
Otto wallin, Tom schwartz, francesco Pianeta, sefer seferi, Christian Hamer.
Ageing AJ opponents yes, but you could argue they are still better than the lot named above.
Yes of course you can argue that. The big one with Fury is the 2 Wilder fights and he beat a slightly younger Klitshko comfortably.
Plus he hasnt got a very bad stoppage defeat on his record.
Joshua did start boxing later than Fury so there is the potential he can improve again where Fury the way hes lived his life could find that catches up with him.
As it stands I think the best Fury weve seen deals with the best Joshua weve seen.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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Hilts
As it stands I think the best Fury weve seen deals with the best Joshua weve seen.
I agree with this but in terms of reputation I think Fury gets away pretty lightly for the fact that he's been a champion twice and never defended it
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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Hilts
Joshua apart from fighting Fury and Wilder. Who I think the Ring would have as 1 and 3 in the world has taken on the best of whats available otherwise.
His best win though is an ageing well past his best Klitshko. A good win over Whyte but a lot of over the hill ageing fighters as well like Pulev and Povetkin.
Its really hard to judge how good he is and that loss to Ruiz is a bad loss on the resume.
However its not his fault the division is relatively poor but id question not getting the Wilder fight before Fury came back.
They made the offer to Wilder. Wilder said to Fury that he could have made so much more fighting Joshua but took less to fight Fury.
Hearn jumped all over it at the time on Twitter.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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Hilts
Yes of course you can argue that. The big one with Fury is the 2 Wilder fights and he beat a slightly younger Klitshko comfortably.
Plus he hasnt got a very bad stoppage defeat on his record.
Joshua did start boxing later than Fury so there is the potential he can improve again where Fury the way hes lived his life could find that catches up with him.
As it stands I think the best Fury weve seen deals with the best Joshua weve seen.
Did he beat Klitshko comfortably though? I remember it being a terrible fight but thought the points decision was close?
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stan butler
Did he beat Klitshko comfortably though? I remember it being a terrible fight but thought the points decision was close?
2 judges gave it to Fury by 3 rounds 1 by 5.
It was an awful watch but a unanimous decision away from home not troubled was relativity comfortable. A lot of Furys fights have been boring.
Yeah the Joshua fight was great entertainment. Great fight.
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Fury is great in making many think he beat a prime Klitschko and Joshua knocked out a washed up old man.
The time between both fights (bear in mind that Fury-Klitschko 2 was set up and fell through also), 15 months.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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stan butler
Did he beat Klitshko comfortably though? I remember it being a terrible fight but thought the points decision was close?
That may have been the case though I think Wilder and his team seriously underestimated Fury and thought theyd have an easy night of it. With Fury beaten hed have been in a much better bargaining position for the unification and the fight is suddenly bigger. I doubt Eddie was offering a 50-50 split either.
Sadly this is what happens with different champions with different promoters TV deals etc.
Joshua / Wilder should have happened years ago. I think its likely it will never happen.
Lewis v Bowe a huge fight which fans were robbed of.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
Sorry my reply above was meant to be a reply to Lewj and the Hearn offer.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
Feckin hell I want to watch this must tell myself not to buy it.
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Re: Usyk vs Joshua/Fury vs Wilder
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Hilts
That may have been the case though I think Wilder and his team seriously underestimated Fury and thought theyd have an easy night of it. With Fury beaten hed have been in a much better bargaining position for the unification and the fight is suddenly bigger. I doubt Eddie was offering a 50-50 split either.
Sadly this is what happens with different champions with different promoters TV deals etc.
Joshua / Wilder should have happened years ago. I think its likely it will never happen.
Lewis v Bowe a huge fight which fans were robbed of.
Definitely think Wilder and his camp thought the fury fight would be easy work after his breakdown, weight gain and time out of the ring.