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Cameron Coxe released.....
Bit of a shocker but unfortunately yesterday and today eight u23 players have been released by the club.
Cameron being the most high profile of the youngsters.
Steve Morrisons brush is sweeping clean.
Paid up until the end of the season but all eight are clubless having been told they’re not good enough and shown the door. 🤔🤐
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Any idea who are the others??
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Strange time of year to be doing that. 8 players seems a lot. Sounds a liitle disruptive.
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Padraig1968
Bit of a shocker but unfortunately yesterday and today eight u23 players have been released by the club.
Cameron being the most high profile of the youngsters.
Steve Morrisons brush is sweeping clean.
Paid up until the end of the season but all eight are clubless having been told they’re not good enough and shown the door. 🤔🤐
Seems very strange. I mean he had been pretty poor when played but cheap back up option for a couple of years.
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Shamar Moore
Jake Evans
Lawrence Wooton
I’ll find out the other 4 👍
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Gosh thought Cox was half decent from reports by those who follow the U23's, I wonder if we might see some in coming from elsewhere?
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NYCBlue
Strange time of year to be doing that. 8 players seems a lot. Sounds a liitle disruptive.
I don't think so, can't see a reason why the club would keep them on until the end of the season if they have no future at the club. Get rid of them, thank them for their services and lets start getting better players in. It also gives these lads a head start on finding another club. As for CC, maybe the writing was on the wall for him already, he had two chances to impress in the FA cup and he bombed, simple as that.
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Tuerto
I don't think so, can't see a reason why the club would keep them on until the end of the season if they have no future at the club. Get rid of them, thank them for their services and lets start getting better players in. It also gives these lads a head start on finding another club. As for CC, maybe the writing was on the wall for him already, he had two chances to impress in the FA cup and he bombed, simple as that.
What sort of age-range are we talking about? Will they be able to replace them in time to play this season?
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My only knowledge of these players is from what Bob Wilson has posted, and from his many reports I thought that Cameron Coxe was going to be a star of the future. This is very disappointing news, as I was really looking forward to having some home-grown talent in our team. My thoughts are with the young lads who must be feeling very devastated right now.
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In morrisson we trust.
New broom etc. Start from scratch. Football is not about sentiment.
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Armitage Shanks
In morrisson we trust.
New broom etc. Start from scratch. Football is not about sentiment.
Absolutely. Something needs to change. We can't have young pro footballers hanging about the place if they're not even close to contributing and if they had anything about them they wouldn't want to b at the club. Players know when their time is up.
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NYCBlue
What sort of age-range are we talking about? Will they be able to replace them in time to play this season?
It doesn't matter in my opinion. They're not good enough. I don't know if they'll be replaced, what it means is that someone else gets a chance or a young player advances into the u23s.
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Wales-Bales
My only knowledge of these players is from what Bob Wilson has posted, and from his many reports I thought that Cameron Coxe was going to be a star of the future. This is very disappointing news, as I was really looking forward to having some home-grown talent in our team. My thoughts are with the young lads who must be feeling very devastated right now.
I get your point but CC would've known, especially after the Carlisle game and some of the other players would've been aware of the situation. They train every day and a player knows if they're developing or not. Look at Ampadu against Spurs, plenty of doubts from certain quarters, even myself, but he came in and showed composure and maturity, he wanted the ball and took responsibility. He has now given everyone concerned something to think about. Could you imagine if he'd had a shitter? Fine lines indeed.
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Connor Davies
Jack Davies
Trystan Jones
Plus one more lol 🤔👍
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Tuerto
It doesn't matter in my opinion. They're not good enough. I don't know if they'll be replaced, what it means is that someone else gets a chance or a young player advances into the u23s.
Haven't we been here before though? New manager comes in, big statement about disappointment in youth not progressing into first team, players get let go, repeat cycle 18 months-3 years later. Not going to argue all our youth players have deserved more of a chance but there is a distinction to be made between not good enough and not fancied by current manger, as well as general disappointment that no matter how many changes are made we seem to lack route to first team for youth prospects.
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Watch - in typical Cardiff City irony - as these players go on to big things!
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The Hooded Claw
Watch - in typical Cardiff City irony - as these players go on to big things!
About to say the same.
They'll sign for a lower league club, and in a couple of years we'll see them signing for a prem club for £20M +
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The Hooded Claw
Watch - in typical Cardiff City irony - as these players go on to big things!
Don't think we've had too many of our youth prospects go onto big things over past 5 years though. Most seem to end up at Barry Town which, although a very decent standard of football these days, is not the Championship or better. I wouldn't be able to point to any as a clear sign club has got it wrong to release players from youth squad but don't think what the club has been doing has been working, the players must have had a better chance of success elsewhere, so yet another change of approach at youth level doesn't fill me with confidence.
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Disappointing as I thought maybe he could make the grade. But in all seriousness, what regrettable attrition have we had from our under 23s In our history? Ramsey and Matondo aside for which we had little say in
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I'm a bit surprised that we've released Coxe, but bringing in Sanderson on loan wasn't a good sign for his prospects.
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Maybe Carlisle was his last shot at breaking into the first team.
It didn’t go well unfortunately.
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surge
Haven't we been here before though? New manager comes in, big statement about disappointment in youth not progressing into first team, players get let go, repeat cycle 18 months-3 years later. Not going to argue all our youth players have deserved more of a chance but there is a distinction to be made between not good enough and not fancied by current manger, as well as general disappointment that no matter how many changes are made we seem to lack route to first team for youth prospects.
Probably happened before although it seems like Morrison and Harris are acting quickly by effectively putting these players out of their misery. They've identified weakness and they've made a decision by paying them up early. What happens now remains to be seen. If any of these players had been performing well then they wouldn't have been released, the manager and the coaches would have seen enough of them to make a decision on their future, they may get one or two wrong, but that's football. I'm not sure of the ages of the players released but i suppose it's between 18 and 21? if so, they really need to be around the first team by now.
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If these lads are 20/21 then as a mate said ‘if they were that good they would be playing regularly by now’
Only Coxe has got near out of that lot and unfortunately it didn’t work out.
Seems harsh and I’d expect it was a tough decision for him, but better for these lads to know sooner rather than later and now the next year or 2 will get the chance to step up and make an impression.
Good luck to these lads .
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Lawnmower
If these lads are 20/21 then as a mate said ‘if they were that good they would be playing regularly by now’
Only Coxe has got near out of that lot and unfortunately it didn’t work out.
Seems harsh and I’d expect it was a tough decision for him, but better for these lads to know sooner rather than later and now the next year or 2 will get the chance to step up and make an impression.
Good luck to these lads .
Spot on.
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the harsh truth of modern day football such a cut throat business
with the ever decreasing numbers of young pros failing to make the grade coming through the ranks is there any point in academys these days with the money spent on them ?
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MOZZER2
the harsh truth of modern day football such a cut throat business
with the ever decreasing numbers of young pros failing to make the grade coming through the ranks is there any point in academys these days with the money spent on them ?
It was harder 20 or 30 years ago, no u23 teams which seems to me like an extension of youth team football and seems to allow clubs and afford young pros more time to develop, although that doesn't seem to be working at our club. It used to be to years YTS, a player was called in half way through the second year and basically told that if they didn't do something special in the final 6 moths of their contract then they were out. If a player made the grade then they were given a pro contract at 18 (in 1990 that was £125 per week) and they then trained with the first team and played for the reserves until they were deemed good enough. No messing about, it was down to the young player to impose himself on the manager and coaching staff. Young players learnt on the job against seasoned Pros.
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I've not been convinced of the value of a reserve set up. Brentford dont bother and look where they are.
On the other hand Swansea Town have done well with their Cat 1 status.
Best of luck to the youngsters released. I suspect a couple of them have clubs lined up already.
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yeah that was years ago tuerto but modern day clubs spend a small fortune to make a pro football and 99.8% fail
to me that's not value for money . no fancy academys back then
to me we should we should regional our talented young players not attaching them to football clubs to all our 4 associations rather trying to make a kid spend years in an academy with no or little chance of making the grade
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MOZZER2
yeah that was years ago tuerto but modern day clubs spend a small fortune to make a pro football and 99.8% fail
to me that's not value for money . no fancy academys back then
to me we should we should regional our talented young players not attaching them to football clubs to all our 4 associations rather trying to make a kid spend years in an academy with no or little chance of making the grade
It's always been the case. out of my age group only two players made the grade, Damon Searle and Nathan Blake, in the year below it was Nathan Jones, they all went on to have full careers, that was three out of about 35 lads, actually not a bad return. I really think that if a player is good enough and they have decent coaches then they'll make the grade and end up where their ability and character allows them. I think that players can be over coached into something bland and generic.
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Tuerto
It's always been the case. out of my age group only two players made the grade, Damon Searle and Nathan Blake, in the year below it was Nathan Jones, they all went on to have full careers, that was three out of about 35 lads, actually not a bad return. I really think that if a player is good enough and they have decent coaches then they'll make the grade and end up where their ability and character allows them. I think that players can be over coached into something bland and generic.
What about players that are good enough but don't have the discipline and work ethic to succeed? There must be plenty of them.
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NYCBlue
What about players that are good enough but don't have the discipline and work ethic to succeed? There must be plenty of them.
loads mate, in my experience it was the players who worked hardest who ended up making the grade, the ones who made sacrifices. Plenty out there with ability and natural talent, it means nothing if you don't work hard.
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Let’s hope they all have a sell on clause like bale
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Tuerto
It's always been the case. out of my age group only two players made the grade, Damon Searle and Nathan Blake, in the year below it was Nathan Jones, they all went on to have full careers, that was three out of about 35 lads, actually not a bad return. I really think that if a player is good enough and they have decent coaches then they'll make the grade and end up where their ability and character allows them. I think that players can be over coached into something bland and generic.
No offence mate but a completely different era.
Plus, we were in the dungeon then. We weren’t an established top half championship club with money thrown at transfers.
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Tuerto
loads mate, in my experience it was the players who worked hardest who ended up making the grade, the ones who made sacrifices. Plenty out there with ability and natural talent, it means nothing if you don't work hard.
I guess that's something you can't coach. Although, it seems these days senior players are much more serious about their health and fitness and concentration levels and imagine that the young players see what it takes.
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J R Hartley
No offence mate but a completely different era.
Plus, we were in the dungeon then. We weren’t an established top half championship club with money thrown at transfers.
None taken, sorry for being a bit thick, but apart from the observations you've made, what is the point that you're making?
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Lawnmower
If these lads are 20/21 then as a mate said ‘if they were that good they would be playing regularly by now’
Only Coxe has got near out of that lot and unfortunately it didn’t work out.
Seems harsh and I’d expect it was a tough decision for him, but better for these lads to know sooner rather than later and now the next year or 2 will get the chance to step up and make an impression.
Good luck to these lads .
Totally agree Tim, I don’t think it does lads any good hanging around too long when they’re in their early 20s. In fact in a perfect football world I want to see players of 18/19 in the first team. In the big picture 22 & 23 year olds, if they haven’t made it by then at their club, should be let go. It doesn’t really matter if they make it big later, all that proves is that they weren’t a good fit at their original club. And it follows that we pick up players in their mid 20s who weren’t perfect fits at their previous clubs, Etheridge, Mendez-Laing etc, players who’d been shown the door in their younger days by clubs at our level or higher.
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Armitage Shanks
In morrisson we trust.
New broom etc. Start from scratch. Football is not about sentiment.
I'm going to withhold my trust for a bit longer than about a fortnight and one game in charge. That said, I'd be surprised if Steve Morrison had a great deal to do with the decision to let these players go.
I say that because back in the days when our Development team consisted mostly of home grown players, you'd get the odd trialist who playing for the team from about the end of February onwards (Semi Ajayi was one of them). Invariably, these were players who had been told by the clubs they were contracted to that they would not be getting a new deal in the summer and so they were quite happy for them to play for other sides in the hope they would impress them enough to be taken on permanently. It was similar with the Academy team - usually around this time of year there would be a change in the make of of the team as younger players came in and the ones told they would not be offered pro deals dropped out.
As for those released, I watched Connor Davies in a Welsh Youth Cup Final when I believe he was just fifteen and he definitely had something about him, but he's been out on loan at Weston. It was originally for a season, but I notice he came on as a sub in the Under 23s' last game, so maybe it was ended early. Getting a loan to play a season in senior football at seventeen strikes me as pretty impressive, so I'm a little surprised he has been released, but I'm not really surprised about the others.
Sadly, this includes Cameron Coxe. Looking at it from the club's perspective, I do feel that decisions about releasing young players should be made no later than the expiry of their first professional contract and this is the situation that Coxe finds himself in. However, I go back to when Wales were invited to compete in the prestigious Toulon Under 20 tournament in 2017 where they acquitted themselves well in getting five points from their three group matches. All of the games were televised live and you only had to listen to the commentators to learn that Coxe was one of the best Welsh performers in each game - this in a squad which included Joe Rodon, George Thomas, Tyler Roberts, Dan James and Chris Mepham.
Coxe played in the manner of a modern, attack minded full back full back in those games and also did so in the Academy games I saw him play, but, to some extent with the under 23s and to a large extent in the first team, he was deployed more defensively.
You can say that, unlike so many, Coxe at least had the chance to play some first team football, but, given the general level of performance in cup matches in recent years, all four of the games he played were occasions where it would be very hard for any young player to impress. Unfortunately, despite senior players being just as culpable as he was, Coxe could be faulted for his part in at least two of the goals conceded in the games against Carlisle and, as mentioned earlier, the writing was on the wall for him when Dion Sanderson was signed - when I think back to Cameron Coxe's time at Cardiff, I'll remember that the first team just weren't playing to his strengths when he got his, limited, opportunities.
Best of luck to all of those who have been let go.
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The Hooded Claw
Watch - in typical Cardiff City irony - as these players go on to big things!
Really ? That does happen occasionally in football . The reality is we won’t be looking at any of them in 3 years time thinking what is wrong with our youth system .
If however, this exceptional circumstance does occur, I do expect a torrent of posts in true Cardiff City fashion crying about our poor perception of players abilities .
I watched Cardiff playing Chelsea a couple of years ago , Loftus Cheek was playing and he was exceptional . Their lads were light years away from ours . Even at the youth now it’s all about the money . The rich clubs plunder the poorer clubs for their talent . We are left with the dross .
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the other bob wilson
I'm going to withhold my trust for a bit longer than about a fortnight and one game in charge. That said, I'd be surprised if Steve Morrison had a great deal to do with the decision to let these players go.
I say that because back in the days when our Development team consisted mostly of home grown players, you'd get the odd trialist who playing for the team from about the end of February onwards (Semi Ajayi was one of them). Invariably, these were players who had been told by the clubs they were contracted to that they would not be getting a new deal in the summer and so they were quite happy for them to play for other sides in the hope they would impress them enough to be taken on permanently. It was similar with the Academy team - usually around this time of year there would be a change in the make of of the team as younger players came in and the ones told they would not be offered pro deals dropped out.
As for those released, I watched Connor Davies in a Welsh Youth Cup Final when I believe he was just fifteen and he definitely had something about him, but he's been out on loan at Weston. It was originally for a season, but I notice he came on as a sub in the Under 23s' last game, so maybe it was ended early. Getting a loan to play a season in senior football at seventeen strikes me as pretty impressive, so I'm a little surprised he has been released, but I'm not really surprised about the others.
Sadly, this includes Cameron Coxe. Looking at it from the club's perspective, I do feel that decisions about releasing young players should be made no later than the expiry of their first professional contract and this is the situation that Coxe finds himself in. However, I go back to when Wales were invited to compete in the prestigious Toulon Under 20 tournament in 2017 where they acquitted themselves well in getting five points from their three group matches. All of the games were televised live and you only had to listen to the commentators to learn that Coxe was one of the best Welsh performers in each game - this in a squad which included Joe Rodon, George Thomas, Tyler Roberts, Dan James and Chris Mepham.
Coxe played in the manner of a modern, attack minded full back full back in those games and also did so in the Academy games I saw him play, but, to some extent with the under 23s and to a large extent in the first team, he was deployed more defensively.
You can say that, unlike so many, Coxe at least had the chance to play some first team football, but, given the general level of performance in cup matches in recent years, all four of the games he played were occasions where it would be very hard for any young player to impress. Unfortunately, despite senior players being just as culpable as he was, Coxe could be faulted for his part in at least two of the goals conceded in the games against Carlisle and, as mentioned earlier, the writing was on the wall for him when Dion Sanderson was signed - when I think back to Cameron Coxe's time at Cardiff, I'll remember that the first team just weren't playing to his strengths when he got his, limited, opportunities.
Best of luck to all of those who have been let go.
I might have been in the minority of one , but I actually liked what I saw from Coxe in patches .
Despite my previous post , I wouldn’t be surprised to see him making a living playing football at some level .
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splott parker
Totally agree Tim, I don’t think it does lads any good hanging around too long when they’re in their early 20s. In fact in a perfect football world I want to see players of 18/19 in the first team. In the big picture 22 & 23 year olds, if they haven’t made it by then at their club, should be let go. It doesn’t really matter if they make it big later, all that proves is that they weren’t a good fit at their original club. And it follows that we pick up players in their mid 20s who weren’t perfect fits at their previous clubs, Etheridge, Mendez-Laing etc, players who’d been shown the door in their younger days by clubs at our level or higher.
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