Just seeing what appetite there is on this board for moving towards full independence.
I think the ineptness of the Tories,
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Just seeing what appetite there is on this board for moving towards full independence.
I think the ineptness of the Tories,
Just seeing what appetite there is on this board for moving towards full independence.
I think the ineptness of the Tories, the arogance & corruption of Westminster and the London-centric / English biased media (including the left-wing media), has made it easier to believe we would be better off on our own.
I'm under no illusions that it will be difficult and we have a long way to go, but has anyone else shifted towards independence recently?
Funniest post ever. You have also started another post with the same subject that was even more ill conceived.
I'd seriously consider it.
1. 0.3% of the Welsh population are members of YesCymru
2. After Northern Ireland, Wales receives the most per capita under the Barnett settlement
3. Wales has the best representation of MPs per capita of all the 4 home nations
Wales doesn't do too bad being part of the union.
Would love to be proved wrong but I just can't see how Wales can stand on its own financially as an independent nation.
One thing's for sure though the Tories won't come close to matching the level of regional EU funding that's been given to Wales over the years so perhaps it's better to be dirt poor and standing on our feet than dirt poor and on our knees ?
I fully support it. Similar size countries thrive, why can’t we?
Sorry. Bit of an overreaction on my part. But economically Wales couldn't possibly support itself. There is little industry and a lot of social deprivation requiring support from the State. And those who pay tax will probably have to pay double to support the rest and, if businesses are taxed higher than England, they will simply leave. Even when Labour has been in power nationally Wales has been ignored and their voters taken for granted. While a Wales only government would have power they wouldn't have the cash to do very much. Wales does not even have a currency so in the unlikely event permission is given for the pound to be used, the UK government would have to control spending. Wales could never be wholly independent ever.
No.
Drakeford and his cronies couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery.
Topical ironic.
Yes.
Westminster the political equivalent of Liverpool and Man United.
I feel like I'm closer to voting for Welsh independence than I've ever been in my life, but, if there was a vote on it today, I would still be against it on balance - the thought of a long spell under the rule of a Government as inept as Johnson's is proving to be could well make me change my opinion pretty soon mind.
Card carrying member :wales: :wales:
To this I would add the amount of European money that was meant for Wales but which we never saw a penny of decided by both Labour and Tory governments. Wales cannot trust either of them
Wales may have some chance of existing if it could remain n the European Union but it could never prosper because as noted it isn’t economically viable and n my opinion Wales does not possess enough intelligent people in politics who are clever enough to manage such a transition successfully.
Card carrying member :wales: :wales:
I see mostly downsides, well probably only downsides. I'd be one of the first to flee over the border if the Assembly ever had full control.
That's a pretty decent membership for a group like Yes Cymru, considering the low levels of political participation in the UK. For instance only about 0.2% of the population are members of the Conservative Party so to have 0.3% for a relatively new group about a traditionally fringe movement is pretty good going
It's a NO from me, a Welsh speaker, especially while the present bunch of no marks are down The Bay.
Have elections with a better class of politician and I may change my mind, only might because I think we'd be pushing it to be financially better off alone as I think Scotland would too.
I have always been totally against it. Most elections I cant even be bothered to vote.( I do make the effort for the General Election) I dont think ive ever voted in the Welsh Assembly elections. I would have turned up to vote against Welsh Independence and didnt want the assembly.
However Im like Bob. This useless government and the fact working class areas in England put them in has made me rethink.
Id go further id vote for Independence if there was a vote today.
I would interpret your last line as a lack of confidence not just in our politics but as a country. Is there, potentially, no-one in Wales who knows how to sustain a nation? How do the Irish or the people of Iceland get by without someone watching over their shoulders to make sure they've done it right?
At this point in time I would rather have an independent, Welsh owned and funded, high quality media outlet rather than an independent Wales.
Wales online is horrific, we need an independent media to hold Westminster and the Assembly to account, as well putting Welsh political and social agendas front and centre.
With an independent media behind you, you can make a better case for or against a separate Wales (not that I want that). You can't rely on the BBC (backed by central government) and the London owned outlets to drive Welsh agendas in any depth.
Personally I think it's better to fight for more autonomy and law making powers rather than splitting up the UK. This pandemic has shown Wales often needs a different approach to the wider UK, so lets get more devolution.
the Tories have donations measured in millions, I'd be surprised if YesCymru had donations measured in thousands.
When you look at the Welsh results, the Tories polled better than Plaid Cymru at the last election. That says all you need to know about where the Welsh see their future. Around 10% vote for Plaid, and its not getting any higher than that.
Leaving the union would be economic suicide, as we have nothing much to offer the English in terms of trade.
is the vote on a Welsh only issue or Union issue? If its not a devolved matter then that's part of being in the union and would be accepted. Regardless, it will be a cold day in hell when Labour and Tory MPs vote the same way, no matter what the issue.
I used to think that it would be a big mistake to leave the union.
However, for as long as you care to look back Wales has been one of, or the poorest parts of the UK.
I don't see that even changing whilst in a union with a member more than 18 times as big as us.
The focus will always be on how to help London and the South east and we will get the scraps.
Yes we get Barnett formula money, but that is all just spent on public services to treat the symptoms of having the oldest, poorest least healthy population in the UK.
Investment into infrastructure almost never happens because you always get more bang for your buck in London, so in the union we will always be a poor relation and always just treating the symptoms of our economy.
Ireland for many years were about the poorest part of the UK. They became independent 100 years ago this coming March, and since about the year 2000 have had a higher GDP per capita than the UK.
Had they not left the UK this would not have happened.
All I'm saying is that it's a good level of membership, its not the round dismissal of independence you think it is. The most recent Welsh independence poll showed 32% of the country would vote for independence if a vote was held tomorrow. https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/nor...ghest-18832964
Plaid Cymru are pretty much a complete failure as a political party but aren't the only vessel for the independence movement, as seen here the majority of Welsh Labour voters would back independence: https://nation.cymru/news/new-poll-s...-independence/
I mentioned elsewhere that I don't see how "you'll be ruined without the union" is a particularly good argument for the union. Surely all that shows is the disregard held towards Wales by the Westminster government and the lack of economic development directed at Wales since the decimation of our national industries?
I wonder if the answer for anyone will be different once Scotland and Northern Ireland have both decided to leave.
We've got loads of industry - steelworks making huge quantities of steel and vast profits. The massive financial quarter in Mill Lane. Natural resources, we could sell our water to the Midlands and North West - they currently get it for free. Loads of earth, rock we could export.
bring it on..
Ireland (prior to EU membership) and Iceland have their own currencies. To be truly independent you have to have a currency; otherwise public spending and borrowing would have to be controlled by the country to which the currency belongs. ONS data indicates public spending in Wales is £14.7bn greater than taxes received so how is this gap to be closed if spending in Wales in effectively controlled by the UK government even if Wales was independent. It could never happen.