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Why wouldn’t Asylum Seekers….
Not take up Asylum in France??
Saw it on the news this morning.
The French government apparently have offered the Asylum Seekers a place of refuge which would ultimately I presume in time lead to a French Citizenship.
I for one love France 🇫🇷
Come on it’s got everything
You could live rurally- near the coast or there’s City life
The weather depending which area you choose to settle is great especially down south.
The food is amazing and classic French cuisine is a basic requirement of any budding Chef.
The French are mad on sport, come on there’s football- Rugby and pétanque
Of course there’s also the accent
Wow
My Mrs gets wet listening to the French accent- Thierry Henry with the VaVaVoom and now the legend that is David Ginola on I’m a celebrity every night
Bedtime has been great since last Sunday 😊
Which takes me back to the question and the more serious situation these people find themselves in
If you really were offered refuge in France why would you risk crossing a dangerous stretch of freezing water in an inflatable overcrowded dingy to get here??
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"If you really were offered refuge in France why would you risk crossing a dangerous stretch of freezing water in an inflatable overcrowded dingy to get here??"
There must be some pretty major reasons. Two that I'd imagine is language and friends/family already here.
If you'd travelled all that way, risking death, with your brother, for example, would you say "ah well, I'll never see him again and I can just stay here where I can't communicate with anyone and am completely alone for the rest of my life"
Or "I've already got this far, what's one more obstacle?"
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I was thinking this myself.
IMO, if a person is genuinely fleeing oppression, then he should claim asylum in the FIRST safe country he enters, as per international law.
As soon as he leaves one safe country, he becomes an "economic migrant" and loses any claim for asylum.
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If you already have family here I completely get it Lardy- but if you don’t then the question still stands.
Why
Is France a worse place to live than the Uk?
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Sunnysideup
If you already have family here I completely get it Lardy- but if you don’t then the question still stands.
Why
Is France a worse place to live than the Uk?
It's probably worse if you speak English not French and have paid someone to take you to the UK.
You asked why they would risk death, and why would anyone risk death unless they had very compelling reasons to do so? I expect that none of us could ever relate.
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Sunnysideup
If you already have family here I completely get it Lardy- but if you don’t then the question still stands.
Why
Is France a worse place to live than the Uk?
they could become French citizens get a job and come over and see family / friends if needed
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There’s another conundrum
Why the feck would someone PAY a smuggler to get you to the UK when you can get to France or any other country for that matter for nothing?
Is there something we don’t actually know about that’s so special everyone wants to come here??
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bobh
I was thinking this myself.
IMO, if a person is genuinely fleeing oppression, then he should claim asylum in the FIRST safe country he enters, as per international law.
As soon as he leaves one safe country, he becomes an "economic migrant" and loses any claim for asylum.
Wrong.
https://fullfact.org/immigration/ref...-safe-country/
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blue matt
they could become French citizens get a job and come over and see family / friends if needed
Or become British residents having had an asylum claim processed and accepted, as per their human rights. 48% of asylum claims were rejected in 2019, by the way. In 2004, it was 88%. Tories are soft on this, despite all their pontificating.
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blue matt
they could become French citizens get a job and come over and see family / friends if needed
They could indeed, the silly sausages.
They could go to the coast (or city, both are nice), get themselves a good job, enjoy the restaurants and Thierry Henry accents, perhaps watch a bit of rugby on the weekend, save up and then spend their holidays visiting their friends and family if they need to.
And instead they're all risking death! Unbelievable really!
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Sunnysideup
There’s another conundrum
Why the feck would someone PAY a smuggler to get you to the UK when you can get to France or any other country for that matter for nothing?
Is there something we don’t actually know about that’s so special everyone wants to come here??
How would you cross the channel for nothing?
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Instead of paying people smugglers huge amounts of cash why don’t they keep hold of their passports and travel to the first safe country jump on a plane- there’s plenty of low budget airlines and fly to the UK
Wouldn’t that make more sense than risking your life making the perilous journey across the channel?
Exactly how many of you would make the same journey from Dover to Calais in a dingy ?
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most of them do stay in the first safe country they come to
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Istanbul to London by plane
Easy
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Sunnysideup
Instead of paying people smugglers huge amounts of cash why don’t they keep hold of their passports and travel to the first safe country jump on a plane- there’s plenty of low budget airlines and fly to the UK
Wouldn’t that make more sense than risking your life making the perilous journey across the channel?
Exactly how many of you would make the same journey from Dover to Calais in a dingy ?
Because their passports wouldn't have visas, so the airlines would have to reject them. If they managed to get past the airlines, where checks are stringent but not complete, they would then fail at immigration control. Technically, they could seek asylum at that point, but realistically they would just get deported all the way back.
If I was desperate, I may very well make the same journey from Dover to Calais, but the UK isn't quite that bad yet. Give it a few years though.
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Sunnysideup
Instead of paying people smugglers huge amounts of cash why don’t they keep hold of their passports and travel to the first safe country jump on a plane- there’s plenty of low budget airlines and fly to the UK
Wouldn’t that make more sense than risking your life making the perilous journey across the channel?
Exactly how many of you would make the same journey from Dover to Calais in a dingy ?
100% of people would do that, given the choice - which makes me think that perhaps jumping on a budget airline isn't an option for them?
And it also makes me think you're on a windup in this thread.
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Rjk
most of them do stay in the first safe country they come to
They do.
Turkey has 3.7million asylum seekers
Germany has 1.2 million.
The UK 31,115 in 2021.
And the Daily Mail made you all think it was a massive problem. Keeps the spotlight off Boris though.
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We’re back to my original question
Is France A WORSE PLACE TO LIVE THAN THE UK
France (according to Sky News) HAVE offered these Asylum Seekers or Refugees or whatever you want to call them- refuge
They can stay and live in France
It’s as safe in France as here
Why risk death drowning in the channel when you’ve been offered sanctuary
Unless like Lardy suggested they already have friends or family here then to me it doesn’t make sense?
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maybe they speak English and not French or German, therefore feel they have a better chance in a country that speaks English. Or it may be that we have a history of welcoming foreign nationals and those fleeing oppression...
who cares what their reasons are, there's plenty of room for all of them
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And I’m 100%not on a wind up Lardy
I’m offended you actually suggested the notion
I just can’t get my head around these people wanting to risk their lives and the lives of their kids and unborn children- a pregnant woman drowned this week
France have offered them sanctuary
Why make the crossing?
Can’t get my head around it sorry
If you were in their situation god forbid where would you Stop?
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lardy
There must be some pretty major reasons. Two that I'd imagine is language and friends/family already here
Exactly that according to this - https://inews.co.uk/news/migrants-wh...51?ITO=newsnow
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Feedback
maybe they speak English and not French or German, therefore feel they have a better chance in a country that speaks English. Or it may be that we have a history of welcoming foreign nationals and those fleeing oppression...
who cares what their reasons are, there's plenty of room for all of them
No there's not plenty of room for them.....especially when they all want to live in Westminster.
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Cleve van Leef
Easy life.
bollocks
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Hmmm, if I was living under a bridge with rats to keep me company, would I be thinking of the quality of French sport, the sophisticated bars and buildings, the beautiful country side and maybe, just maybe, a chateau if I work hard enough and the French property market levels out? Add to that, a biffing accent that makes the ladies quiver.
Or would I be thinking of getting to a country with a sizeable community from my culture, country or surrounding countries with the chance of a bed and the opportunity to earn a few quid on the black market. It's a difficult decision.
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That’s an interesting read Undercoverinwurzelland
It answers a lot of questions
Still though it says fifty percent have no family ties here
It’s really sad that these cast outs are unwanted- I say cast out because the Syrian despot Assad is a genicidal maniac and can understand them fleeing
Where do you stop though
That’s the conundrum the politicians are politicking over
Who does what to help?
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Sunnysideup
And I’m 100%not on a wind up Lardy
I’m offended you actually suggested the notion
I just can’t get my head around these people wanting to risk their lives and the lives of their kids and unborn children- a pregnant woman drowned this week
France have offered them sanctuary
Why make the crossing?
Can’t get my head around it sorry
If you were in their situation god forbid where would you Stop?
They've had experiences that we haven't had, so we can't imagine it. Not just you, none of us can.
There's a Malcolm Gladwell book (called David and Goliath) where he talks about direct hits/near misses/remote misses. For example, before WWII the British government were terrified of the Germans bombing London, and planned evacuations and mental institutions on the outskirts of London, expecting thousands of people to be psychologically damaged. The government was terrified of how people would react to being bombed.
Then the Blitz happened and London was bombed every night for about six months. Some died (direct hits), some nearly did (near misses) but the vast majority of people experienced remote misses. Once the bombing started, they realised it wasn't so bad. The government was wrong and people weren't terrified but the remote misses gave everyone confidence and now we call it the Blitz Spirit.
I'm sure that if I had lived in London in 1941, I'd never have had a wink of sleep, but chances are that I'd have been a remote miss and part of the Blitz Spirit.
Perhaps those asylum seekers are remote misses. They've survived a lot, and perhaps it hasn't even been that bad for them. So why not take that boat across the channel? You and me would never know what it's like for them.
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That’s a fair shout Lardy and I completely agree with everything you’ve just said
My late grandmother lived on a farm in Upper Boat (where Tesco is now) and took in evacuated children so I get what you’re saying
It’s the fact that France has offered sanctuary
Why carry on your journey?
France is a great country
Why risk death by drowning?
That’s the question NOBODY can answer
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Whisperer
No there's not plenty of room for them.....especially when they all want to live in Westminster.
Bloody Tory MPs
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lardy
They've had experiences that we haven't had, so we can't imagine it. Not just you, none of us can.
There's a Malcolm Gladwell book (called David and Goliath) where he talks about direct hits/near misses/remote misses. For example, before WWII the British government were terrified of the Germans bombing London, and planned evacuations and mental institutions on the outskirts of London, expecting thousands of people to be psychologically damaged. The government was terrified of how people would react to being bombed.
Then the Blitz happened and London was bombed every night for about six months. Some died (direct hits), some nearly did (near misses) but the vast majority of people experienced remote misses. Once the bombing started, they realised it wasn't so bad. The government was wrong and people weren't terrified but the remote misses gave everyone confidence and now we call it the Blitz Spirit.
I'm sure that if I had lived in London in 1941, I'd never have had a wink of sleep, but chances are that I'd have been a remote miss and part of the Blitz Spirit.
Perhaps those asylum seekers are remote misses. They've survived a lot, and perhaps it hasn't even been that bad for them. So why not take that boat across the channel? You and me would never know what it's like for them.
Brilliant post
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Why do refugees and asylum seekers want to come to the West? Because ANYWHERE is better then where they're coming from. Why do they want to come to the UK? It's a combination of a tolerant population, the English language, ease of finding work, and family.
You'd think with present labour shortages that the UK would want migrants to come here, to do the jobs the East Europeans used to do, but the government set their stall out at the last election, as regards immigration, and probably feel reluctant to change tack, and start welcoming them instead. My thoughts are that actually, most people have no objections to immigrants coming here to work, and this idea that Brexit was a racist vote is far from the truth.
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tforturton
Why do refugees and asylum seekers want to come to the West? Because ANYWHERE is better then where they're coming from. Why do they want to come to the UK? It's a combination of a tolerant population, the English language, ease of finding work, and family.
You'd think with present labour shortages that the UK would want migrants to come here, to do the jobs the East Europeans used to do, but the government set their stall out at the last election, as regards immigration, and probably feel reluctant to change tack, and start welcoming them instead. My thoughts are that actually, most people have no objections to immigrants coming here to work, and this idea that Brexit was a racist vote is far from the truth.
I disagree , the animosity towards refugees and anyone entering the country is higher than its ever been
It used to be just far right football idiots but now everyone seems to be wading in
In my opinion
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Sunnysideup
That’s the question NOBODY can answer
Err I think quite a few people have answered it on this thread
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They haven’t Delmbox
Family ties aside
What possible reason would a sane person have in making a perilous sea crossing in an overcrowded rubber dingy armed with the knowledge many have drowned before them when France HAVE OFFERED sanctuary/ safe haven whatever you want to call it.
Is the UK a better country to live in or are these desperate people brainwashed with propaganda that the UK is utopia?
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SLUDGE FACTORY
I disagree , the animosity towards refugees and anyone entering the country is higher than its ever been
It used to be just far right football idiots but now everyone seems to be wading in
In my opinion
except the majority on this thread who it would appear are rather welcoming of those wishing to come here and make a life for themselves.
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Sunnysideup
They haven’t Delmbox
Family ties aside
What possible reason would a sane person have in making a perilous sea crossing in an overcrowded rubber dingy armed with the knowledge many have drowned before them when France HAVE OFFERED sanctuary/ safe haven whatever you want to call it.
Is the UK a better country to live in or are these desperate people brainwashed with propaganda that the UK is utopia?
Maybe possibly the latter
It isn't obviously a utopia
But Germany , France , Belgium , Holland etc are democratic ....ish , Liberal.....ish places compared to parts of the Middle East for example
I think the problem is people cannot see the difference between people crossing the channel , illegal immigrants , immigrants and people who are not European but have been born and brought up here
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Sunnysideup
They haven’t Delmbox
Family ties aside
What possible reason would a sane person have in making a perilous sea crossing in an overcrowded rubber dingy armed with the knowledge many have drowned before them when France HAVE OFFERED sanctuary/ safe haven whatever you want to call it.
Is the UK a better country to live in or are these desperate people brainwashed with propaganda that the UK is utopia?
Well no, you can't "put family ties aside" then say there's no answer. It doesn't work like that.
"Berlin aside, no one has an idea what the capital of Germany is"
See how it works?
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Feedback
except the majority on this thread who it would appear are rather welcoming of those wishing to come here and make a life for themselves.
Well that's this one thread , it's hardly representative
You could go on other related forums and the difference is clear
And social media in general
This country has shifted to the right especially in terms of this topic
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Of course it does Delmbox
Read the blurb Undercoverinwurzelland took the time to find and post on this thread
An interesting read from the refugee council
Family ties the Asylum seekers already have here in the UK
That’s their motivation to come here
I get that point
You obviously don’t