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If Equalty means so much to the BBC
Why do they have a BBC woman footballer of the year, and not a male one too?
If somewhere I've missed that there is such an award I apologise in advance
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48353915
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Imagine actually caring about this. Men have plenty of representation in football, there’s no harm in the BBC trying to shine more light on the women’s game
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And what about the absence of MOWO Awards? :getscoat:
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Hot Shot Hamish.
What with all the cooking, washing, cleaning and ironing, I don’t know how they find the time to play football !!!! :hehe:
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The original poster does have a point. Where is the award for junior footballer, lgbt footballer, etc, etc. Sexist old stick in the mud broadcaster!
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What with all the cooking, washing, cleaning and ironing, I don’t know how they find the time to play football !!!! :hehe:
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It's why their feet are smaller to get closer to the cooker :hide:
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BLUETIT
What with all the cooking, washing, cleaning and ironing, I don’t know how they find the time to play football !!!! :hehe:
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The BBC have run a number of pieces - in the last 48 hours - on its website featuring Ada Hegerberg, who won’t be playing for Norway in the World Cup because of a perceived lack of equality between the men’s and women’s teams.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48353915
Given the rigours of FFP, how can women desire their sport to be a parasitical financial entity, sapping funds from the men’s game? If the women’s game makes money through attendances, sponsors and TV revenue then that should be redistributed to players as pay. Expecting men’s football to subsidise women’s football is an admission that the product/sport is not as enjoyable/competitive/lucrative. This preposterous social engineering is putting me off watching women’s football - something I have done without fail for every major tournament over the past 15 years.
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The reason the BBC push woman's football is not because of any moral compass. They are trying to populise it to make up for all the men's football they have lost over the years.
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simonp_ccfc
The reason the BBC push woman's football is not because of any moral compass. They are trying to populise it to make up for all the men's football they have lost over the years.
The BBC don't push women's football, the BBC push English women's football. The new BBC women's football show is just like football focus in that it has minimal content on anything in Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland and yet it's the flagship show on the BBC. Likewise the Guardian only covered two games in the last qualification round despite Wales sitting at the top of the group for most of it and those games were held in Southampton and then the final match.
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Unless they start swapping shirts at the end of the game they can never be classed as equal in my eyes.
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Taunton Blue Genie
And what about the absence of MOWO Awards? :getscoat:
Men of Women Origin?
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The quest to represent everyone equally will have a negative effect on the future for all of us.
By actively looking to balance out race in the workplace, or hiring a certain gender here or someone who represents lgbt there then you are overlooking other, possibly more skilled people based on their gender, race, sexuality. Just seems odd.
Just be open for everyone and hire who the best person is. If that's 5 old white guys or 6 black lesbians then so be it.
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simonp_ccfc
The reason the BBC push woman's football is not because of any moral compass. They are trying to populise it to make up for all the men's football they have lost over the years.
:thumbup: Spot on.
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Trigger
The quest to represent everyone equally will have a negative effect on the future for all of us.
By actively looking to balance out race in the workplace, or hiring a certain gender here or someone who represents lgbt there then you are overlooking other, possibly more skilled people based on their gender, race, sexuality. Just seems odd.
Just be open for everyone and hire who the best person is. If that's 5 old white guys or 6 black lesbians then so be it.
But for recruitment, I think there's some logic. How do you become the "best person" for the job? By getting experience doing it.
We're hard wired to feel more affinity with those similar to us, be it age, gender, nationality, race. It's subconscious. If a company has three black lesbians on their recruitment panel and they have five new graduates with the same degree and no experience, they are more likely to feel affinity with the black lesbian and hire her. Five years later and she's on the panel and the pattern repeats itself.
It doesn't mean it's happening for racist reasons. People just need help to avoid it. I've worked in county councils in the UK which were 95% white and in no way representative of the towns they were in, and I've worked abroad where I was a minority and missed out on jobs because of it. I doubt any of it happened because of a conscious agenda.
There's two sides of course, you can go too far to avoid negative discrimination and get positive discrimination. It's not easy, but 'best person for the job' is also something that is usually not obvious.
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barrybloo
Unless they start swapping shirts at the end of the game they can never be classed as equal in my eyes.
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Hot Shot Hamish.
I've often wondered why the BBC runs a vote for African Footballer of the Year too. There is nothing wrong with it of course, but why not have a South American Footballer of the Year vote as well, and an Asian Footballer of the Year vote? Or even, a European Footballer of the Year?
I mean there are lots of excellent African Footballers around the world and indeed playing in this country, but equally there are lots of good footballer from other continents, so why has the BBC chosen to run a poll for African Players only? It just seems a bit pointless and the logic seemingly random, although I'm sure that plenty of thought has gone into it. :shrug:
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Because this is what fits the BBC’s agenda.
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Bobby Dandruff
I've often wondered why the BBC runs a vote for African Footballer of the Year too. There is nothing wrong with it of course, but why not have a South American Footballer of the Year vote as well, and an Asian Footballer of the Year vote? Or even, a European Footballer of the Year?
I mean there are lots of excellent African Footballers around the world and indeed playing in this country, but equally there are lots of good footballer from other continents, so why has the BBC chosen to run a poll for African Players only? It just seems a bit pointless and the logic seemingly random, although I'm sure that plenty of thought has gone into it. :shrug:
They've been doing its since 1992 according to Wikipedia. It says its presented by the BBC world service.
Its probably to do with there being English speakers in Africa and nothing else.
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lardy
But for recruitment, I think there's some logic. How do you become the "best person" for the job? By getting experience doing it.
We're hard wired to feel more affinity with those similar to us, be it age, gender, nationality, race. It's subconscious. If a company has three black lesbians on their recruitment panel and they have five new graduates with the same degree and no experience, they are more likely to feel affinity with the black lesbian and hire her. Five years later and she's on the panel and the pattern repeats itself.
It doesn't mean it's happening for racist reasons. People just need help to avoid it. I've worked in county councils in the UK which were 95% white and in no way representative of the towns they were in, and I've worked abroad where I was a minority and missed out on jobs because of it. I doubt any of it happened because of a conscious agenda.
There's two sides of course, you can go too far to avoid negative discrimination and get positive discrimination. It's not easy, but 'best person for the job' is also something that is usually not obvious.
So the recruitment panel has 3 black lesbians on it, and the 5 new graduates going for the position contains 1 black lesbian. Wonder what the odds are on that? 😁
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ken smith
They've been doing its since 1992 according to Wikipedia. It says its presented by the BBC world service.
Its probably to do with there being English speakers in Africa and nothing else.
Stop using logic, its obviously because of the BBC's "agenda"
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City123
Stop using logic, its obviously because of the BBC's "agenda"
Do the BBC have an Australian FOTY then?
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It's why their feet are smaller to get closer to the cooker :hide:
You brave rebels wouldn’t dare say anything even remotely derogatory about black people (rightly so), so why do it about women ? Even in an “I’m being an ironic trolling wankface” kind of way.
Yours,
Snowflake.
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What would all these presenters do if, in order to be seen to treat all equally, the BBC reduced the pay of the men to the level of the woman who complained?
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Llandaff Blue
Imagine actually caring about this. Men have plenty of representation in football, there’s no harm in the BBC trying to shine more light on the women’s game
They do , I listen to a lot of games , and the commentary and pundits are now women .
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/womens
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Llandaff Blue
Imagine actually caring about this. Men have plenty of representation in football, there’s no harm in the BBC trying to shine more light on the women’s game
This, a million times.
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Slightly off topic, but a number of female golfers want and expect to have the same prize money as their male counterparts.
Thoughts....
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JDerrida
Slightly off topic, but a number of female golfers want and expect to have the same prize money as their male counterparts.
Thoughts....
Surely that’s the sponsors decision to make?
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Out of interest what division, or level of football would the Welsh Ladies National team play at?
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Bluebina
Out of interest what division, or level of football would the Welsh Ladies National team play at?
In 2016 the Australian women’s national football team, the “Walltzing Matildas” were beaten 7-0 by a team of 15-year-old boys. The game was stopped early to prevent further humiliation. At the time the Waltzing Matildas were ranked fifth in the world.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/footba...in-no-surprise
Women are as strong and fast as 13/14-year-old boys. That will never change. So to answer your question the Wales women’s team would be playing with pubescent boys if they played the men’s game.
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In 2016 the Australian women’s national football team, the “Walltzing Matildas” were beaten 7-0 by a team of 15-year-old boys. The game was stopped early to prevent further humiliation. At the time the Waltzing Matildas were ranked fifth in the world.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/footba...in-no-surprise
Women are as strong and fast as 13/14-year-old boys. That will never change. So to answer your question the Wales women’s team would be playing with pubescent boys if they played the men’s game.
Which beggars the question, on the grounds of equality and fairness, why aren't we promoting the pubescent boys game in this country. Give them the equality that women want.
We should fully expect the promotion of young lads being forced to play in empty 30,000 seat stadium, advertised and publicised to the hilt, being shown by the BBC and Sky and getting the financial parity of the ladies game.
We should also expect to see pubescent panelists on MOTD and various other football programmes as well as colour commentators at games.
The latter may already be happening with the high pitched screeching commentators we hear on TV and radio at times.....😉
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JDerrida
Which beggars the question, on the grounds of equality and fairness, why aren't we promoting the pubescent boys game in this country. Give them the equality that women want.
We should fully expect the promotion of young lads being forced to play in empty 30,000 seat stadium, advertised and publicised to the hilt, being shown by the BBC and Sky and getting the financial parity of the ladies game.
We should also expect to see pubescent panelists on MOTD and various other football programmes as well as colour commentators at games.
The latter may already be happening with the high pitched screeching commentators we hear on TV and radio at times.....
As a man i have grown up with the availability and support of team sports. There has always been mens football on tv whether that be on terrestrial tv showing live matches or highlights via programs like match of the day. It was natural for me to play football in the school yard and made the majority of my friends through football. Since leaving school i have played club sports where i have met many friends who have been there for me in tough times and good times. I am not an elite sports man and if i were to play n an elite sports enviroment i imagine my skill set would equate me to the level of pubescent boys.
In the majority of cases, these sports opportunity do not exist for girls. An area containing 100 boys football teams may only see 10 for girls within it. Girls do not go into the school yard and play sports, they do not see many sporting role models on tv, and as such they do not develop as quickly and in as many numbers as boys.
I would love to see my daughter have the opportunity to play team sports in here community, and have the physical, mental and community benefits i had from team sports. Very few people achieve elite status anyway.
If the bbc find some time in their schedule for female sports, be that netball, women's football, women's cricket, etc then i am all for it, especially at a time where satellite networks are holding a monopoly on sports.
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Some people on here need to start asking themselves why they're moaning about something before they do.
Who's life is this making worse and why is it bothering you? Some people just feel the need to get outraged about something for absolutley nothing beacuse it fits into some strange agenda. What are the negative aspects about this that are making you feel the need to log onto an internet forum and whinge about it?
People need to have a bit more perspective and try and be a bit more positive about things. More girls playing sport is good, more coverages and role models encouraging girls to play sport it good. What a complete waste of energy moaning about this is.
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Croesy Blue
Some people on here need to start asking themselves why they're moaning about something before they do.
Who's life is this making worse and why is it bothering you? Some people just feel the need to get outraged about something for absolutley nothing beacuse it fits into some strange agenda. What are the negative aspects about this that are making you feel the need to log onto an internet forum and whinge about it?
People need to have a bit more perspective and try and be a bit more positive about things. More girls playing sport is good, more coverages and role models encouraging girls to play sport it good. What a complete waste of energy moaning about this is.
I was responding to the BBC publishing three articles on Ada Hederberg in two days. She wants equal pay as her Norwegian male counterparts. I don't think that she has earned that and her demands are unreasonable.
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severncity
I was responding to the BBC publishing three articles on Ada Hederberg in two days. She wants equal pay as her Norwegian male counterparts. I don't think that she has earned that and her demands are unreasonable.
Recently the US WNT had a similar dispute.
They are far more successful than the men's team, attract bigger crowds, but are paid a fraction as much (only talking about fees while playing for the national team here) .
Also they are made to fly economy while the men's team travel in first or business.
They aren't saying that they should all get paid the same as Messi, but where there is a clear parallel why shouldn't they get paid the same
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qccfc
As a man i have grown up with the availability and support of team sports. There has always been mens football on tv whether that be on terrestrial tv showing live matches or highlights via programs like match of the day. It was natural for me to play football in the school yard and made the majority of my friends through football. Since leaving school i have played club sports where i have met many friends who have been there for me in tough times and good times. I am not an elite sports man and if i were to play n an elite sports enviroment i imagine my skill set would equate me to the level of pubescent boys.
In the majority of cases, these sports opportunity do not exist for girls. An area containing 100 boys football teams may only see 10 for girls within it. Girls do not go into the school yard and play sports, they do not see many sporting role models on tv, and as such they do not develop as quickly and in as many numbers as boys.
I would love to see my daughter have the opportunity to play team sports in here community, and have the physical, mental and community benefits i had from team sports. Very few people achieve elite status anyway.
If the bbc find some time in their schedule for female sports, be that netball, women's football, women's cricket, etc then i am all for it, especially at a time where satellite networks are holding a monopoly on sports.
As a man I have --
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bobh
Men of Women Origin?
Orange men women ffs
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life on mars
Orange men women ffs
and reflect
if i sut su ma and reflect clemetines i think i would want a tizer
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Recently the US WNT had a similar dispute.
They are far more successful than the men's team, attract bigger crowds but are paid a fraction as much (only talking about fees while playing for the national team here) .
Also they are made to fly economy while the men's team travel in first or business.
They aren't saying that they should all get paid the same as Messi, but where there is a clear parallel why shouldn't they get paid the same
They don’t attract bigger crowds
http://worldsoccertalk.com/2018/12/1...rcent-in-2018/
http://worldsoccertalk.com/2018/12/1...st-since-2006/
Maybe women should break away from FIFA etc and set up their own female-controlled sport. They’d probably make more money that way.
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And lo and behold here's the BBC spreading fake news that the US women's team attract bigger crowds than the men's team.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/48432479
Outright lies