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Only double vaccinated fans allowed in grounds
What an absurd plan.
Whatever the merits problems outside grounds near kick off time are already an issue.
Who is going to enforce this lunacy.
Boris is bonkers.
Discuss.
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It's probably a carrot and stick approach.
It is wrong on every level
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Labour will oppose this, especially as it affects predominately Labour-voting folk. That's what opposition parties are for.
Like f**k they will !
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Why not , vaccinating safes lives ?
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Club needs to issue a statment NOW - only two weeks to frst game.
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Great idea. The 30th September deadline mentioned allow everyone to get both jabs if they are quick and haven't had a first jab.
Should people not want to take up the offer that's their right to disengage from society as long as there is an exemption for those with a genuine medical reason not to do so.
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Originally Posted by
bobh
Club needs to issue a statment NOW - only two weeks to frst game.
Saying what?
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What about those who are pregnant, or for whatever reason can't have the injection
Also the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid it just lessens the risk of serious illness.
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Our fan base is so old does it even matter
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Originally Posted by
AlwaysAway2
What an absurd plan.
Whatever the merits problems outside grounds near kick off time are already an issue.
Who is going to enforce this lunacy.
Boris is bonkers.
Discuss.
Why not.
If people want ‘normality’ then it should happen.
Agreed. Boris is bonkers on so many counts.
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Originally Posted by
Armitage Shanks
What about those who are pregnant, or for whatever reason can't have the injection
Also the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid it just lessens the risk of serious illness.
Maybe they should think hard about taking a risk attending in any case but more likely to be safe if all others were double vaxed than not.
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Originally Posted by
Armitage Shanks
What about those who are pregnant, or for whatever reason can't have the injection
Also the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid it just lessens the risk of serious illness.
They should have some way to identify people who have a good reason for not having the vaccinations
Your second sentence beggars belief.
What is better not having the vaccine at all (or a mild version?)?
Or being seriously ill and possibly permanently affected or even dying???
And yes I do realise it is still possible to get seriously ill and even die if you have been vaccinated but from the scientific evidence the chances of this happening are far far less.
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Originally Posted by
Armitage Shanks
What about those who are pregnant, or for whatever reason can't have the injection
Also the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid it just lessens the risk of serious illness.
The vaccine stops the majority getting COVID, and as you say, it stops serious illness. There will be some instances but if they're pregnant etc, surely they'd need to shield anyway? If you don't want to get a jab, that's fair enough but it is clear this is just the start.
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Pedro de la Rosa
The vaccine stops the majority getting COVID, and as you say, it stops serious illness. There will be some instances but if they're pregnant etc, surely they'd need to shield anyway? If you don't want to get a jab, that's fair enough but it is clear this is just the start.
If someone is pregnant they can still have the jab
Anyone who does not have the jab due to anything other than a genuine medical condition should be kept out of society.
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Originally Posted by
Armitage Shanks
What about those who are pregnant, or for whatever reason can't have the injection
Also the vaccine doesn't stop you getting covid it just lessens the risk of serious illness.
The second sentence of your post is just not true. You haven't been listening to the scientific information. After two jabs, the main vaccines in this country are around 60-70% effective at stopping people getting Covid at all and 85-90% effective at stopping serious illness, hospitalisation and death. They also reduce transmission of the virus by at least 50%. There are groups of people who wont get these levels of protection due to medical treatments/conditions etc (the shielders) who make up around 5% of the total population but the vast majority of the remainder will get these levels of cover. It is therefore entirely sensible and reasonable that anyone who could have the jabs but cant be bothered should be barred from attending large events. Why should the vast majority who have done the right thing and protected themselves and other people, be placed at risk. Shielders and other vulnerable groups can also make their own decisions and protect themselves as they see fit, if and when attending such events.
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Surely Mark Drakeford must make a decision too. I can't believe Boris can make rules up for Welsh football clubs.
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It can’t apply to Wales, otherwise Glamorgan wouldn’t currently be ‘sold out’ with poor crowds.
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Originally Posted by
AlwaysAway2
What an absurd plan.
Whatever the merits problems outside grounds near kick off time are already an issue.
Who is going to enforce this lunacy.
Boris is bonkers.
Discuss.
Don't you have vaccine cards?
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Apparently vaccine cards are just for you, if you need prove then you have to go on the Welsh government website.
The NHS one to print out as proof only works in England
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Whether you're pro vax that believe all the positive data or a anti vax that believe all the negative data. It's still a slippery slope for freedom and democracy.
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Originally Posted by
Parti Mellow
Whether you're pro vax that believe all the positive data or a anti vax that believe all the negative data. It's still a slippery slope for freedom and democracy.
The upside is that all the anti-science, anti-democracy cult members are the ones that are dying. As soon as I can get my 8 year-old daughter vaxxed, I can sit back and relax.
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They were interviewing some youngsters on the news recently, asking why they didn't want the vax.
Best (worst) answer was one guy saying that it ws loaded with microchips so that Bill Gates can get all your bank details.
:facepalm:
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I think its a great idea. Makes it safer for everyone, it's also likely to make some of the selfish unvaccinated people get the vaccine. Heard lots say they will only get it if they will need it to go on holiday etc .
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It doesn't apply to Wales.
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Originally Posted by
bobh
They were interviewing some youngsters on the news recently, asking why they didn't want the vax.
Best (worst) answer was one guy saying that it ws loaded with microchips so that Bill Gates can get all your bank details.
:facepalm:
I saw him. Thought the reporter was going to tell him to stop being so bloody stupid.
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Originally Posted by
bobh
They were interviewing some youngsters on the news recently, asking why they didn't want the vax.
Best (worst) answer was one guy saying that it ws loaded with microchips so that Bill Gates can get all your bank details.
:facepalm:
Imagine having something that tracked all your movements, spending habits, likes, dislikes etc etc. Scary as **** man. The weird thing is that for these kids, 1984 is in the past.
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There was a video on Facebook yesterday, showing an elderly chap who had the AZ jab. He became magnetic in the area where he was injected. Unfortunatly kids are social media hounds and will stiff out things nonsense like this to not get the vaccine.
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goats
Our fan base is so old does it even matter
By the time they let folk in some would be trebled vaccinated , flu jabbed , re built like Steve Austin.
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Originally Posted by
bobh
They were interviewing some youngsters on the news recently, asking why they didn't want the vax.
Best (worst) answer was one guy saying that it ws loaded with microchips so that Bill Gates can get all your bank details.
:facepalm:
A friend of mine who heard of a Bulgarian guy who wouldn’t have the vax because of the microchip story.
He invited him along to the centre and had the doctor randomly pick a phial of vaccine that contained enough for eight injections. The Bulgarian was politely asked if he could see any microchips in the clear liquid, assuming there to be at least eight the answer was no.
The Doctor then drew off enough to fill one syringe and again the same question was asked. Also, how could the doctors be sure that each syringe had one of the chips in it and not none or maybe all eight.
Finally the guy was asked to watch from a safe distance all eight jabs being injected.
A week later along with his whole family they arrived for their first jabs.
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Originally Posted by
BLUEAWAY
A friend of mine who heard of a Bulgarian guy who wouldn’t have the vax because of the microchip story.
He invited him along to the centre and had the doctor randomly pick a phial of vaccine that contained enough for eight injections. The Bulgarian was politely asked if he could see any microchips in the clear liquid, assuming there to be at least eight the answer was no.
The Doctor then drew off enough to fill one syringe and again the same question was asked. Also, how could the doctors be sure that each syringe had one of the chips in it and not none or maybe all eight.
Finally the guy was asked to watch from a safe distance all eight jabs being injected.
A week later along with his whole family they arrived for their first jabs.
How thick are they? Everyone knows the chips are in the end of each syringe, not in the liquid itself 🙄
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Originally Posted by
Armitage Shanks
There was a video on Facebook yesterday, showing an elderly chap who had the AZ jab. He became magnetic in the area where he was injected. Unfortunatly kids are social media hounds and will stiff out things nonsense like this to not get the vaccine.
The loons ive met with the anti vax theories have all been middle aged.
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Hilts
The loons ive met with the anti vax theories have all been middle aged.
Oh well, they might not be around for much longer anyway…….some people eh?
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Originally Posted by
Parti Mellow
Whether you're pro vax that believe all the positive data or a anti vax that believe all the negative data. It's still a slippery slope for freedom and democracy.
Thing is, anti vaxxers are morons. Their opinion is outweighed by science and it should be afforded no respect, anywhere. They are of course entitled to their opinion, but the rest of us are entitled to shield ourselves from the side effects of their idiocy
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Originally Posted by
Armitage Shanks
There was a video on Facebook yesterday, showing an elderly chap who had the AZ jab. He became magnetic in the area where he was injected. Unfortunatly kids are social media hounds and will stiff out things nonsense like this to not get the vaccine.
Like this lunatic
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...ic-during-ohio
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Originally Posted by
bobh
They were interviewing some youngsters on the news recently, asking why they didn't want the vax.
Best (worst) answer was one guy saying that it ws loaded with microchips so that Bill Gates can get all your bank details.
:facepalm:
The anti-Vax fiction that seems to be most effective is that it makes you infertile.
Made up nonsense, but quite effective in undermining the vaccination drive with some younger people. Which is what the conspiracy theorist loons want.
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Hilts
The loons ive met with the anti vax theories have all been middle aged.
And there also seems to be a correlation between years spent smoking lots of weed and believing in crazy conspiracy theories.
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Originally Posted by
NYCBlue
The upside is that all the anti-science, anti-democracy cult members are the ones that are dying. As soon as I can get my 8 year-old daughter vaxxed, I can sit back and relax.
As someone in their late 60's I wouldn't have had the vaccine[s] on purely medical grounds. I'm 90% sure they're safe, but a 10% in me says they have no pathology due to the speed of roll out and history is littered with unforeseen side effects developing years down the road.
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A Quiet Monkfish
As someone in their late 60's I wouldn't have had the vaccine[s] on purely medical grounds. I'm 90% sure they're safe, but a 10% in me says they have no pathology due to the speed of roll out and history is littered with unforeseen side effects developing years down the road.
So you are in your late 60s and didn’t have the vaccine because you don’t understand how drugs testing works? Or, seemingly, probability? Smart move