Nicely deployed , singing red flag alongside Jerusalem /////////////
Interesting and bold to hear him reference many times the Blair achievements
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Nicely deployed , singing red flag alongside Jerusalem /////////////
Interesting and bold to hear him reference many times the Blair achievements
He's got no charisma at all
Which considering he was a top QC is surprising
Utterly hopeless leader with a battered party beneath him
The Tories are useless and corrupt , lying and inept .
But there is no opposition
I tell you who is a sharp cooky, its Wes Streeting very Blair like , takes no prisoners.
Wes Streeting is well into my Top 10 of the biggest arseholes in the Parliamentary Labour Party.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
And the competition is fierce!
A cynical, manipulative, lying racist. His mission in life (like a good number of his Blairite colleagues) is to wage war on socialists and make life safe and comfortable for the rich and powerful.
He could well end up as the next leader!
Starmer’s lack of charisma is almost a plus for me having had more than my fill of the so called charismatic individual in number ten. I was impressed at first by Starmer when he was Brexit Shadow Minister, not for what side he was on, but, because, very rarely for a politician these days, he was someone who gave the impression of being on top of his subject. Like many though, I’ve found him a disappointment as leader. Geanted, it’s a pretty impossible job with that party, but he seems to have gone out of his way to increase conflict in the party - he lost me when he brought Mandelson in from the cold.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Well you are in a spot, if its not Starmer , Streeting try Boris he is a doerQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Charisma? We don't need another showman.Quote:
Originally Posted by SLUDGE FACTORY
Hopeless leader?. I think he's picking his way very carefully through an almost impossible job.
I listened to every word of his speech and thought it was good. He has to tread a careful line though, which is why it may have come across as under-stated to many, and I do accept that it probably has little impact on the wider electorate.
I think those of us who can't stand our current leaders need to stick with him for now though. At the moment, what other option do we have?
agree i,m sticking with starmer for now . i,m getting a feeling alot of staunch tories have had enough of this idiot running our country right nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Swiss Peter
There are other Labour MPs apart from Starmer or Streeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
If there has to be a leader from the 'centre' (not a 'centrist - aka Blairite) then someone like Andy Burnham - or even Andy Burnham if he became eligible for election - would get my qualified support.
He has experience (Shadow Health Secretary and Greater Manchester mayor), a personality, is articulate, and has not spent the last 6 years focussed on slandering and expelling socialists while the Tories cock up the country. He kept out of the Chicken Coup and acted with dignity and integrity - rare qualities. He also has a practical policy agenda worked out in the NW on housing, transport, jobs and the (greener) economy. I also think there is a good chance he would try to unite the Labour Party - not shatter it like Starmer.
Andy Burtonwood be good choice, very friendly with our Ange.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Future leader right here. (The one on the left!) :-)
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Burnham is not perfect but one thing I like about him is that he is ready to acknowledge any good work done by opponents as well as as criticising them when they go wrong. Politicians of all parties are very loath to do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
Is that because he's free of party politics??Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
One hell of a difference making easier popular decisions ,with no one at your back , easy asking Westminster for dosh and criticising from the sidelines than managing the bigger UK picture.
Labour could have selected and elected him as leader sadly the narrow minded chose not too .
Burnham made two unsuccessful bids to become Labour leader. Are you suggesting all those who voted for other candidates are narrow minded?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
They were in case you forgot the other candidates were -
2010 - Ed Miliband, David Miliband, Ed Balls and Diane Abbott
2015 - Jeremy Corbyn, Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall
It may be an alien concept but it's democracy. The definition of narrow minded is not "someone who disagrees with you"
Yes I would say narrow mindedness landed the party first with Ed Miliband in 2010 , when David was by far the better option, broader thinker and progressive choice .Quote:
Originally Posted by lostinnewforest
In 2015 its party voters narrowed it self even further by choosing Corbyn , Yvette Cooper would have made a wonderful leader and yes its first female one . ( wonder when they will deliver a female leader ?? )
Democracy is fine, trouble is the Labour members who elect its leaderv don't really represent actual voters ,if they did they'd have more success at election time ,the iparty members are radical , ideology driven and yes narrow minded .
They would be in power now if the party politics was not so narrow minded ,full of old 70's style in fighting .
A brave set of modern progressive policies is needed for Labour to lift it out of its fog , I sincerely hope they appear .
The 400,000+ members of the Labour party are all radicals, are they? You understand these 'radicals' also voted overwhelmingly for Keir too?Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
I don't think by any means all of the Labour Party members are radical, but I would have thought a lot of those who joined the party in 2015 when Corbyn became leader probably are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
I wonder if a lot of those who voted overwhelmingly for Sir Keir are wondering whether they made the wrong choice, especially after the conference last week.
A lot of the people (mainly young) who joined Labour because they were inspired by Corbyn have left. Membership is down under Starmer and Evans from 570,000 to 400,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elwood Blues
I'm sure a lot of the members who voted for Starmer in the leadership election are doing more than wonder if they made the wrong choice. He stood on a platform of 10 Pledges, a commitment to build on the 2017 Manifesto, and a promise to unite the party. He has trashed every promise he made. If he had been honest he would not have won.
Interesting that next year's Labour Party Conference is in Liverpool. Starmer was heckled in Brighton - I wonder what the response will be next year (if he is still leader) after his op-ed piece in The Sun this weekend.
The critical fact is found in election results and we have seen so many Labour defeats, the last being the worse since 1935 , against such a weak government , that suggests Labour membership , movement , grassroots and momentum do not represent modern UK or its voters .
I would love a decent new vibrant opposition , not one lost in the past , or fear of change , or hatred of Blair or the Tories , its not about us or them politics , for me that is the main issues within the Labour ranks .
Liverpool's Labour politicians weren't impressedQuote:
Originally Posted by jon1959
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...per/ar-AAP6y02
There a rumour abound about 3 dissatisfied Labour MP's with Sir Kier they have been in talks with Tories ,not sure if there is any thing behind it as that would be strange as I though he was heading to the centre ??
https://metro.co.uk/2021/10/03/three...rmer-15356064/
I presume the Labour Party will then refer to them as scum
I saw the other day and it seems like the biggest bullshit story of the year. Who could they actually be? The people who are dissatisfied with Keir right now would slit their own throats before joining the conservative party.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Think your right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Its does sound a bit far fetched , kier sounds a bit lije a soft sort of Blairsim , refered to some of Blair / Browns positive social achievements as a positive in his speech .
Surely it wouldn't be the nutty Momentum gang , unless its right that the Tories are now the working mans party?? and Labour is becoming a Left Liberal Metropolitan type party ( Champagne Socialism not liked up North ) , plenty to play out yet me thinks , it not all happy at home inside Labour ?
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Originally Posted by life on mars
Fair bit of speculation about who the 'Reg Prentice 3' might be - if they exist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
Most looking at Ian Murray and any of the other right wingers who didn't quite summon the courage of their warped convictions to join the Change UK split in February 2019. Other speculation centres on the serial publicity seekers (take your pick) - or Rosie Duffield seeking a more comfortable transphobic home.
I suppose some on the Labour right may have decided Kier Starmer is not enough of a useful idiot to ensure a return to the Blairite 'golden age' and their seats and salaries are in danger. At least Ian Murray has a wardrobe full of union jack waistcoats to choose from if his next party conference is the Tory one!
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Originally Posted by jon1959
Argh Rosie Duffield , the lady who felt unsafe to attend a Labour party conference .
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...end-conference
Groundhog Day for those who have a different view .
I don’t know if she ever felt unsafe or that was just suggested as a line for her as it worked well for a few of her former colleagues in previous years when they were trying to demonise their political opponents in the party. Nothing like suggesting the need for a police escort to garner press sympathy and deflect from the real issues of difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
Anyway she dropped that idea long before the Labour conference and said instead that she was not attending because she didn’t want her views on trans rights to be a distraction from Kier’s big relaunch.
For what it’s worth (based on accounts of friends who campaigned for her in 2019) I don't think she is likely to defect to the blue rosette lot.
She was photographed in Brighton at a fringe event seemingly without the need for any protection and not looking fearful for her life, so I think it's probably a good idea to take that whole twitter storm with a pinch of salt.Quote:
Originally Posted by life on mars
That being said, she is one who could make the transition, so to speak.
It is all a bit strange if its all to be believed , she isn't the first women in the Party with an outspoken view ,that's felt threatened or received social media comments ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric Cartman
If a party ever needed a female leader its Labour , I actually think it would enhance its position ,attract floating voters, Yvette Copper in my humble view would be a good choice , very bright , intelligent, experienced and eloquent .