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A stat that may surprise the Bulut fans
Cardiff City are currently on a run of 24 league games without a victory by two or more goals. The side's last win by a two-goal margin came way back in October when the Bluebirds beat Bristol City 2-0 at the CCS.
As things stand, there are only four teams in the top five divisions of English football who are on longer runs of this nature. They are Birmingham City (21st in the Championship, 27 games), Sutton United (bottom of League Two, 27 games), Carlisle United (bottom of League One, 26 games) and Rotherham United (bottom of the Championship, 26 games).
Before Saturday's fixtures, there was another side who were on a run of 26 league games without a victory by two or more goals, but they managed to win 2-0 at the weekend. Their name is Swansea City.
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Its hardly surprising we haven't got a L1 striker at the club let alone a championship one and the only championship winger is a second full back
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To add some context, the longest run of league games without a victory by two or more goals last season was 18.
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I'm sure it's all someone else's fault and that he doesn't have "his" players yet (On Saturday Ng and Wintle were the only starters not signed under Bulut)
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No surprise, we are appalling upfront, when we go ahead we have to defend, I guess that’s why we have more points than last season.
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City123
I'm sure it's all someone else's fault and that he doesn't have "his" players yet (On Saturday Ng and Wintle were the only starters not signed under Bulut)
I’m quite happy to criticise Bulut for tactics, selection and general negativity but I think the quality of squad is another discussion. He had an embargo in the summer when you would expect a manager to do most of a rebuild and apparently didn’t have what he was promised in January.
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I think it was mentioned on Saturday's Call Rob that City had not scored a single goal on the break this season. That struck me as pretty extraordinary when I heard it, buti entirely believable on reflection. Reference has been made to Bulut being a manager that sets his teams up to defend deep and counterattack- if thats the case its not working at City.
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Could anyone envisage any of our players scoring two goals? I mean in a season let alone a match!
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The Lone Gunman
Cardiff City are currently on a run of 24 league games without a victory by two or more goals. The side's last win by a two-goal margin came way back in October when the Bluebirds beat Bristol City 2-0 at the CCS.
As things stand, there are only four teams in the top five divisions of English football who are on longer runs of this nature. They are Birmingham City (21st in the Championship, 27 games), Sutton United (bottom of League Two, 27 games), Carlisle United (bottom of League One, 26 games) and Rotherham United (bottom of the Championship, 26 games).
Before Saturday's fixtures, there was another side who were on a run of 26 league games without a victory by two or more goals, but they managed to win 2-0 at the weekend. Their name is Swansea City.
Who needs Eric?
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It just a stat , who cares
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There are probably too many stats in modern football, but I think that one really does sum us up.
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Undercoverinwurzelland
There are probably too many stats in modern football, but I think that one really does sum us up.
Yup. It just quantifies what we've been watching all season. This is the first season I've hardly used my season ticket after Christmas. The last game I went to was Leicester. I had to take a break. I watched the last couple of games on Sky. Ipswich gave me a glimmer of hope and I was genuinely excited about the match on Saturday. Within a couple of minutes, it was back to normal.
I cannot abide Bulut's football.
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StraightOuttaCanton
Who needs Eric?
One disappears and another returns. Like clark Kent and superman
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People blaming the strikers for that stat, but we don’t create the chances for them to miss! Maybe Meite, Diedhiou and Etete would miss three sitters a game if we were able to make the chances, but I’ve not seen any of them miss a hat trick of presentable chances in a game yet, not sure I’ve even seen them miss two.
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goats
One disappears and another returns. Like clark Kent and superman
A pair of Kents?
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The centre halfs are too quick, strong or cute for our forwards and attacking midfielders, they can't move into space, make runs or win the physical battle.
The wingers until CO'D can't cross the ball as it's just a dink with the wrong foot or we just don't see a cross and Grant can't turn with the ball.
The midfielders are predominantly stoppers. Colwill and Turnbull look like passers but to whom?
I am indifferent to Bulut but I still can't see how he changes it until the closed season
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llan bluebird
The centre halfs are too quick, strong or cute for our forwards and attacking midfielders, they can't move into space, make runs or win the physical battle.
The wingers until CO'D can't cross the ball as it's just a dink with the wrong foot or we just don't see a cross and Grant can't turn with the ball.
The midfielders are predominantly stoppers. Colwill and Turnbull look like passers but to whom?
I am indifferent to Bulut but I still can't see how he changes it until the closed season
Start with COD on the left, Grant on the right, Colwill as 10 and Ralls alongside Siopis for a start
Keep Wintle and Bowler away from the squad
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olderblue
Start with COD on the left, Grant on the right, Colwill as 10 and Ralls alongside Siopis for a start
Keep Wintle and Bowler away from the squad
I like wintle but its a 6 and two "10's" or two "8"s and a "10" a "6" and two "8" with full backs "inverting" into midfield is far too defensive.
Bowler will end up in L1, that season for Blackpool has made him a rich lad
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Citizen's Nephew
Yup. It just quantifies what we've been watching all season. This is the first season I've hardly used my season ticket after Christmas. The last game I went to was Leicester. I had to take a break. I watched the last couple of games on Sky. Ipswich gave me a glimmer of hope and I was genuinely excited about the match on Saturday. Within a couple of minutes, it was back to normal.
I cannot abide Bulut's football.
I feel exactly the same
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Another stat for you. Rotherham are widely regarded as one of the worst Championship sides of all time. They’ve scored more goals from open play than we have. We’ve scored 19 in 38, which is exactly half a goal a game. Pathetic.
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D. Advocaat
I think it was mentioned on Saturday's Call Rob that City had not scored a single goal on the break this season. That struck me as pretty extraordinary when I heard it, buti entirely believable on reflection. Reference has been made to Bulut being a manager that sets his teams up to defend deep and counterattack- if thats the case its not working at City.
There are several Bulut "style of play" myths floating about from his cult like supporters.
My favourite is Mozzers take that you can tell Bulut has a futsal background from the way we play. I always thought futsal was where football meets basketball and is played at a fast, exciting pace with plenty of end to end attacks and transitions between both sides. :shrug:
Unless Moz is getting futsal confused with walking football played by the over 65's I just cant see it myself. Or maybe hes that "I see dead people" kid from the Sixth Sense film and can see things others cant.
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Who cares if we win every game one nil, George Graham's Arsenal did it very successfully.
Up until 24th October, we scored two or more goals in eleven of the first fourteen games, we scored one goal in the other three games.
Ramsey and O'Dowda were injured, and we carried on for a few games after, then a complete change in how we played, we've kept more clean sheets but have stopped scoring, especially from open play.
Why was that, had teams started to suss us out in addition to losing two of our best players?
How do we get back to playing like that?
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North Cardiff Blue
Who cares if we win every game one nil, George Graham's Arsenal did it very successfully.
Up until 24th October, we scored two or more goals in eleven of the first fourteen games, we scored one goal in the other three games.
Ramsey and O'Dowda were injured, and we carried on for a few games after, then a complete change in how we played, we've kept more clean sheets but have stopped scoring, especially from open play.
Why was that, had teams started to suss us out in addition to losing two of our best players?
How do we get back to playing like that?
:hehe: :hehe:
You love this line of excuse but the stats just dont back up this "we lost our two best players and it all changed" theory (excuse).
Of those 14 games Ramsey played in only the first 6 and O Dowda just 4. :shrug:
Nice try, Linus.
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J R Hartley
:hehe: :hehe:
You love this line of excuse but the stats just dont back up this "we lost our two best players and it all changed" theory (excuse).
Of those 14 games Ramsey played in only the first 6 and O Dowda just 4. :shrug:
Nice try, Linus.
OK what changed then, you don't accept they started us in the right direction, got the confidence of the team up and that gradually faded, or was it a change in style?
I think every team misses their best most creative players when they are out injured, even Man City.
Even you have to admit, it's a contrast in results and goals scored from the start of the season to now?
It is a big problem, because as good as Ramsey is he will play less and less games and is fading fast, so we can't become dependant on him.
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J R Hartley
:hehe: :hehe:
You love this line of excuse but the stats just dont back up this "we lost our two best players and it all changed" theory (excuse).
Of those 14 games Ramsey played in only the first 6 and O Dowda just 4. :shrug:
Nice try, Linus.
I would imagine Ramsey will get injured again in the next week or two and maybe even O'Dowda, but let's hope they don't it will be interesting to see if results pick up again if they do come back and play?
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North Cardiff Blue
OK what changed then, you don't accept they started us in the right direction, got the confidence of the team up and that gradually faded, or was it a change in style?
I think every team misses their best most creative players when they are out injured, even Man City.
Even you have to admit, it's a contrast in results and goals scored from the start of the season to now?
It is a big problem, because as good as Ramsey is he will play less and less games and is fading fast, so we can't become dependant on him.
You Say O Dowda started us off in the right direction but he played 4 games and we only won 1 of those 4 and lost 2 of them.
Hes a good, solid player but hes not KDB. Lets not over egg the pudding here.
Injuries are part and parcel of any squad. I dont think weve ever become dependant on Ramsey because he got injured so soon and has been out for so long. And lets be honest, you didnt have to be Mystic Meg before the season started to realise that he was never going to play 30+ games this season.
As for what happened. Erol Bulut reverting to safety first, passive, pragmatic football type as warned by journalists who knew him from previous is what happened.
The end of the season and his contract cant come quick enough for me and reading socials it seems many others. The cult has definitely lost some members after Saturdays shit show.
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J R Hartley
You Say O Dowda started us off in the right direction but he played 4 games and we only won 1 of those 4 and lost 2 of them.
Hes a good, solid player but hes not KDB. Lets not over egg the pudding here.
Injuries are part and parcel of any squad. I dont think weve ever become dependant on Ramsey because he got injured so soon and has been out for so long. And lets be honest, you didnt have to be Mystic Meg before the season started to realise that he was never going to play 30+ games this season.
As for what happened. Erol Bulut reverting to safety first, passive, pragmatic football type as warned by journalists who knew him from previous is what happened.
The end of the season and his contract cant come quick enough for me and reading socials it seems many others. The cult has definitely lost some members after Saturdays shit show.
Fair enough, let's see what happens if they both do come back and if it makes any difference, I think they would improve creativity a lot and maybe Bulut could go back to a more attacking team if he has better attacking players.
I think letting Ugbo go was a big mistake, he was the most natural goal-scoring striker we had, the others miss the target more than they hit it, Jay-Jew is probably the best infornt of goal but he looks like he can't be bothered most of the time.
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North Cardiff Blue
Fair enough, let's see what happens if they both do come back and if it makes any difference, I think they would improve creativity a lot and maybe Bulut could go back to a more attacking team if he has better attacking players.
I think letting Ugbo go was a big mistake, he was the most natural goal-scoring striker we had, the others miss the target more than they hit it, Jay-Jew is probably the best infornt of goal but he looks like he can't be bothered most of the time.
Giving Colwill a run in the team will improve creativity but Bulut yet another safety first manager who is more concerned with what he gives without the ball rather than what he gives you with the ball.
Its about time this football club went a bit left field and got in a progressive young European manager. I thought we had with the apointment of Bulut but hes turned out to be the Turkish Steve Morison. Boring football and never takes any of the blame.
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North Cardiff Blue
Who cares if we win every game one nil, George Graham's Arsenal did it very successfully.
Remind me, in what season were Arsenal very successful while winning every game 1-0?
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The Lone Gunman
Remind me, in what season were Arsenal very successful while winning every game 1-0?
I know this one.
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The Lone Gunman
Remind me, in what season were Arsenal very successful while winning every game 1-0?
Well maybe not every game but lots of em!
https://angryofislington.com/2012/10...nal-come-from/
https://www.google.com/search?q=one+...r2TiF2Ahg,st:0
One nil or one hundred nil they are both three points :thumbup:
After last season it's nice to score one and not be a point or two away from the relegation zone.
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J R Hartley
Giving Colwill a run in the team will improve creativity but Bulut yet another safety first manager who is more concerned with what he gives without the ball rather than what he gives you with the ball.
Its about time this football club went a bit left field and got in a progressive young European manager. I thought we had with the apointment of Bulut but hes turned out to be the Turkish Steve Morison. Boring football and never takes any of the blame.
I think the safety first label is spot on. When we've pressed teams and shown attacking intent that's when we looked like a decent team. Unfortunately it's often only done when we're chasing a game. I did hear some stat about us being the team with the most late or the latest winning goals. Would be good to see some of that attacking internet from the off - especially at home.
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North Cardiff Blue
Well maybe not every game but lots of em!
Yes, lots of 'em! Along with 2-0 wins, 3-0 wins, 4-0 wins, stuff like that.
The current list of teams on similar runs to City's tells us all we need to know.
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North Cardiff Blue
Who cares if we win every game one nil, George Graham's Arsenal did it very successfully.
Up until 24th October, we scored two or more goals in eleven of the first fourteen games, we scored one goal in the other three games.
Ramsey and O'Dowda were injured, and we carried on for a few games after, then a complete change in how we played, we've kept more clean sheets but have stopped scoring, especially from open play.
Why was that, had teams started to suss us out in addition to losing two of our best players?
How do we get back to playing like that?
The most important point being, that George Graham did it successfully.
It's not like we're chasing 2nd and 3rd place down dropping the odd point, is it.
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The Lone Gunman
Yes, lots of 'em! Along with 2-0 wins, 3-0 wins, 4-0 wins, stuff like that.
The current list of teams on similar runs to City's tells us all we need to know.
Didn’t they win the title at Anfield by 2 to win the title in the last game of the season. 1 wouldn’t have been enough.
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#BulutFC are out in force in this one! :popcorn:
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Citizen's Nephew
Didn’t they win the title at Anfield by 2 to win the title in the last game of the season. 1 wouldn’t have been enough.
Yes. They won the league on goals scored, having won previous matches by scores such as 5-1, 4-1, 3-0, 4-1, 5-0, etc.
But hey, George Graham's successful Arsenal sides and Erol Bulut's Cardiff City are very similar really.
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The Lone Gunman
Yes. They won the league on goals scored, having won previous matches by scores such as 5-1, 4-1, 3-0, 4-1, 5-0, etc.
But hey, George Graham's successful Arsenal sides and Erol Bulut's Cardiff City are very similar really.
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1 - 0 = 3 points
8 - 9 = 0 points
It makes no difference how many you win by, if you win every game 1 nil you win the league :thumbup:
So copying Eric's post again is just negative nonsense.
You'll be copying his other post, we are scoring the wrong type goals next :hehe:
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North Cardiff Blue
1 - 0 = 3 points
8 - 9 = 0 points
It makes no difference how many you win by, if you win every game 1 nil you win the league :thumbup:
So as for your post, just like Eric's it's just negative nonsense.
You'll be copying his other post, we are scoring the wrong type goals next :hehe:
ooo touchy..heh. Your examples do make you look daft. Bulut is not more important than the club. No manager or player is so stop trying to bodyguard him
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The Lone Gunman
Yes. They won the league on goals scored, having won previous matches by scores such as 5-1, 4-1, 3-0, 4-1, 5-0, etc.
But hey, George Graham's successful Arsenal sides and Erol Bulut's Cardiff City are very similar really.
:hehe:
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