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Police looking at video of fans allegedly 'mocking tragedy' at Swansea City v Cardiff City match
Police looking at video of fans allegedly 'mocking tragedy' at Swansea City v Cardiff City match
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...gedly-28856663
Not clear on the video, are they saying it's OK for thousands to do swimming motions after Sala, but not for two people to make what may possibly be interpreted as horse motions?
Surely both are wrong?
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Re: Police looking at video of fans allegedly 'mocking tragedy' at Swansea City v Cardiff City match
The death of Terry Coles and Alan Davies has been mocked for years and its no surprise that Swansea fans who also live in the gutters do the same about Sala
Low life's the lot of them whichever club they loosely support
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Let’s be fair here. You have to be of the lowest intelligence quota to even contemplate doing something like that.
Football has always attracted the dumbest of our species.
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North Cardiff Blue
Police looking at video of fans allegedly 'mocking tragedy' at Swansea City v Cardiff City match
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...gedly-28856663
Not clear on the video, are they saying it's OK for thousands to do swimming motions after Sala, but not for two people to make what may possibly be interpreted as horse motions?
Surely both are wrong?
It's aeroplane gestures that opposition fans make about Sala. The swimming one is about a fight between fans years ago.
But yes, mocking anyone who's died is sick.
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WTF are you on about NCB? The swimming action has got **** all to do with Sala. Have you been living under a rock for 35 years?
And for once I agree with Sludge, mocking the death of Terry Coles or Emiliano Sala, or any tragedy for that matter is absolutely f-ing pathetic. I actually think the mocking of Terry Coles is worse because any one of us who travelled the country as football supporters in the 80s/90s when hooligansim was rife and we had police on horseback charging around could have been caught in a situation like that.
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J R Hartley
WTF are you on about NCB? The swimming action has got **** all to do with Sala. Have you been living under a rock for 35 years?
And for once I agree with Sludge, mocking the death of Terry Coles or Emiliano Sala, or any tragedy for that matter is absolutely f-ing pathetic. I actually think the mocking of Terry Coles is worse because any one of us who travelled the country as football supporters in the 80s/90s when hooligansim was rife and we had police on horseback charging around could have been caught in a situation like that.
I understand, but at least one post on social media the week before said get your snorkels out for Sala sick I know, that's relating to swimming, so what's the difference both are wrong surely?
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Undercoverinwurzelland
It's aeroplane gestures that opposition fans make about Sala. The swimming one is about a fight between fans years ago.
But yes, mocking anyone who's died is sick.
Swimming could apply to both, do the police just ignore that fact?
Don't get me wrong both acts are terrible if related to Sala and Coles and should be dealt with seriously.
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SLUDGE FACTORY
The death of Terry Coles and Alan Davies has been mocked for years and its no surprise that Swansea fans who also live in the gutters do the same about Sala
Low life's the lot of them whichever club they loosely support
True both sets will overstep the mark in an attempt to wind the other fans up, that's why things end up going to far.
Anyway I suppose it's up to the police to decide ?
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North Cardiff Blue
Swimming could apply to both, do the police just ignore that fact?
Don't get me wrong both acts are terrible if related to Sala and Coles and should be dealt with seriously.
The 'swim away' has nothing to do with Sala and to suggest so is utterly stupid.
However for a crowdbase to glorify chasing a couple of kids into the sea is pretty poor too.
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WJ99mobile
The 'swim away' has nothing to do with Sala and to suggest so is utterly stupid.
However for a crowdbase to glorify chasing a couple of kids into the sea is pretty poor too.
They shouldn't do it then, and how do we know what they are relating it to, as it could have duel meaning it shouldn't be allowed?
Anyway as I said it's up to the Police to decide whats offensive, but they should consider all aspects as both could be very offensive depending on how they are interpreted.
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North Cardiff Blue
They shouldn't do it then, and how do we know what they are relating it to, as it could have duel meaning it shouldn't be allowed?
Anyway as I said it's up to the Police to decide whats offensive, but they should consider all aspects as both could be very offensive depending on how they are interpreted.
Get over yourself ffs. The swim away, whilst cringey, is never going to be deemed as a tragedy chant. Where do you draw the line, start arresting people for the touched by your fathers at 10 years old chant? Thats offensive to victims of child sex attacks.
I think we can pretty much all aghree the horse / Coles and aeroplane / Sala actions and chants have no place in the game but youre really clutching at straws wanting people arrested for the swim away.
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North Cardiff Blue
Police looking at video of fans allegedly 'mocking tragedy' at Swansea City v Cardiff City match
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...gedly-28856663
Not clear on the video, are they saying it's OK for thousands to do swimming motions after Sala, but not for two people to make what may possibly be interpreted as horse motions?
Surely both are wrong?
I had a friend over to watch the Swansea v Cardiff game and he even commented how ugly, poorly dressed and ‘out of their heads’ Swansea fans they looked. “Is this what West Wales looks like?” he enquired. “Do they have modern dentistry down there, seriously? I don’t see many teeth” he also asked. Slightly annoyed with what felt a little anti-Welsh, I let the initial feeling go as he has a point. I said:
“Yes they have dentists. The women have highly likely had the teeth removed by the fists or trouser snakes of their other halves. As for the men, excess cider, bare knuckle fighting in the Swansea gypsy community, or a general slothery in personal hygiene are highly probable causes. And no, West Wales is actually stunning once you go west of Swansea. Carmarthenshire is lovely and Pembrokeshire is stunning, as is North and Mid Wales. It isn’t all like that. We just have a grand anomaly in Wales called Swansea that lets the country down. I tend to drive past it as fast as I can on the M4. Anything less than 50 miles per hour and I fear my wheel trims might be pilfered in real time.”
But none of this behaviour is of any surprise to us, is it? The massive Opioid crisis in the The West Bank of Wales manifests itself in all sorts of ways. The Townhill Taliban turn up, smacked out of their heads, and struggle to put any context on humanity.
Interestingly, Afghanistan has a poppy seeds (Opioid) crisis and you can see how toothless and monged half of them look like on camera. Proper spaz’d out of their heads. Ladies and gentlemen, our very own West Bank in Wales is a pound shop Afghanistan. It is time it was acknowledged for the humanitarian crisis the city is. The sheer welter of negative government statistics available to depict life there is shocking, and I have been browsing through them this week. It makes grim reading.
If the Welsh government ever became independent they need to reconstruct a second city worthy of such a status. Because at the moment we have a great capital, great beaches, valleys, mountains, quaint towns and villages and generally good people. Swansea needs transformative reconstruction, and the targeted mass eviction of low value-add people who mooch from the rest of the country and bring our standards down.
Send them to somewhere equally shit like Middlesborough or Lincoln and out of the way.
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JumpersforGoalposts
Imagine being named and shamed for taking part in that kind of act ?
Friends , families , work colleagues, Facebook
Known not as a plumber or accountant or husband or friend
But as THAT low life that sang songs about sala or Terry coles or Hillsborough or that little Sunderland lad who died from cancer ?
It's no surprise that some idiots think this sort of thing is funny but in this day and age get caught doing that and the consequences can be extreme
Quite unbelievable how stupid some people are
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SLUDGE FACTORY
Imagine being named and shamed for taking part in that kind of act ?
Friends , families , work colleagues, Facebook
Known not as a plumber or accountant or husband or friend
But as THAT low life that sang songs about sala or Terry coles or Hillsborough or that little Sunderland lad who died from cancer ?
It's no surprise that some idiots think this sort of thing is funny but in this day and age get caught doing that and the consequences can be extreme
Quite unbelievable how stupid some people are
I do find it odd that having condemned the "abhorrent behaviour" of these individuals they couldn't be bothered to name and shame them on their website!
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JumpersforGoalposts
I do find it odd that having condemned the "abhorrent behaviour" of these individuals they couldn't be bothered to name and shame them on their website!
Yes I noticed that
The sheff weds fan who taunted Sunderland fans with that photo of the young lad got fined thought he got off lightly
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The “Swim Away” gesture has nothing to do with Sala. ****ing hell get a grip.
Might as well say we’re all supporting Hamas when we do the Ayatollah because it’s origins are from the man who founded Iran.
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Undercoverinwurzelland
It's aeroplane gestures that opposition fans make about Sala. The swimming one is about a fight between fans years ago.
But yes, mocking anyone who's died is sick.
It wasn’t a ‘fight’…it was a gross act of cowardice, that nobody has ever admitted too, and only witnessed by one old man walking his dog that night.
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J R Hartley
Get over yourself ffs. The swim away, whilst cringey, is never going to be deemed as a tragedy chant. Where do you draw the line, start arresting people for the touched by your fathers at 10 years old chant? Thats offensive to victims of child sex attacks.
I think we can pretty much all aghree the horse / Coles and aeroplane / Sala actions and chants have no place in the game but youre really clutching at straws wanting people arrested for the swim away.
I don’t get how the players and board of those down west get away with the swim away thing. It’s an incident that has been linked to football hooliganism. Each to their own I suppose.
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TWGL1
I don’t get how the players and board of those down west get away with the swim away thing. It’s an incident that has been linked to football hooliganism. Each to their own I suppose.
We will never hope to match their small mindedness however much some will do their best to try.
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G rangetown Blue
It wasn’t a ‘fight’…it was a gross act of cowardice, that nobody has ever admitted too, and only witnessed by one old man walking his dog that night.
I saw it. I was on the beach. A group of 60+ jacks chased a group of stragglers into the sea. A mate of mine was one of them. No one was swimming.
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WJ99mobile
The 'swim away' has nothing to do with Sala and to suggest so is utterly stupid.
However for a crowdbase to glorify chasing a couple of kids into the sea is pretty poor too.
It’s not just the fans tbh. Their players regularly engage in it too.
Mocking a death is different though,
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J R Hartley
Get over yourself ffs. The swim away, whilst cringey, is never going to be deemed as a tragedy chant. Where do you draw the line, start arresting people for the touched by your fathers at 10 years old chant? Thats offensive to victims of child sex attacks.
I think we can pretty much all aghree the horse / Coles and aeroplane / Sala actions and chants have no place in the game but youre really clutching at straws wanting people arrested for the swim away.
Maybe they were referring to a fight at the horse races in Cheltenham a few years ago?
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North Cardiff Blue
Maybe they were referring to a fight at the horse races in Cheltenham a few years ago?
You absolute muppet :facepalm:
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Canton Kev
You absolute muppet :facepalm:
The point is how do we possibly know?
Do we just say Cardiff fans are guilty of a duel meaning sign, Swansea are innocent?
How could that possibly work, they are subjective.
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North Cardiff Blue
Maybe they were referring to a fight at the horse races in Cheltenham a few years ago?
It was Newbury
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olderblue
It was Newbury
OK Newbury then, so same as Swim Away.
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North Cardiff Blue
OK Newbury then, so same as Swim Away.
There's absolutely no doubt about it that Cardiff fans doing horse impressions to Swansea supporters are mocking the death of Terry Coles at Rotherham who was crushed by a police horse
It's got nothing to do with the brawl between Morriston Rugby Club and 20 of our lot at Newbury Races
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SLUDGE FACTORY
There's absolutely no doubt about it that Cardiff fans doing horse impressions to Swansea supporters are mocking the death of Terry Coles at Rotherham who was crushed by a police horse
It's got nothing to do with the brawl between Morriston Rugby Club and 20 of our lot at Newbury Races
How could you possibly know that? No one can, you are drawing your conclusion, there is no such thing as mind reading so no one knows.
The same as you can't possibly know what someone is thinking when wearing a rubber ring, armbands and goggles.
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North Cardiff Blue
How could you possibly know that? No one can, you are drawing your conclusion, there is no such thing as mind reading so no one knows.
The same as you can't possibly know what someone is thinking when wearing a rubber ring, armbands and goggles.
For proof, the police would need to lip-read the words that were said the rest is not provable either way surely?
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North Cardiff Blue
How could you possibly know that? No one can, you are drawing your conclusion, there is no such thing as mind reading so no one knows.
The same as you can't possibly know what someone is thinking when wearing a rubber ring, armbands and goggles.
Because the horse gesture has been going on for over 20 years which was when that Swansea supporter lost his life under the horse
The sala songs and gestures , which are also extremely distasteful occurred at the recent Swansea game
But the rubber rings swim away nonsense whilst laughable is based upon Swansea fans chasing some cardiff youngsters into the sea by the council offices
It's not celebrating a death of a football fan or opposing player which is what the idiots be they cardiff or Swansea are doing with these pathetic gestures and songs
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Anyone doing aeroplane gestures to mock Sala’s death are doing so to be antagonistic and offend.
Doing the already famous “swim away” gesture that’s universally known to both Cardiff and Swansea supporters negates that impact as no Cardiff fan will think it’s in reference to Sala.
Unless you’re an absolute muppet :facepalm:
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There's a video on twitter of a man united fan ......if you can call him a fan ......gesturing towards Liverpool section imitating himself being crushed by a fence as in Hillsborough
He's been arrested
These people are absolute low life's
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SLUDGE FACTORY
There's absolutely no doubt about it that Cardiff fans doing horse impressions to Swansea supporters are mocking the death of Terry Coles at Rotherham who was crushed by a police horse
It's got nothing to do with the brawl between Morriston Rugby Club and 20 of our lot at Newbury Races
I am with Sludge on one aspect here, the Newbury story may or may not have happened, but that isn’t the intention of horse references. The intention is to cause offence. I can recall back around the late Nineties and early Noughties some chanting by Cardiff fans.
On Alan Davies there were two chants…
“Sssssss, gas gas, gas a Jack”, and the “Do the Alan Davies, Do the Alan Davies, la la la la la”. That was the arm-crossing that Sludge refers to.
I never heard too much about the Terry Coles, other than in the Canton End around 2003-05 from memory. I think the Portguese coach was running Swansea at that point. There were a few Barry and Blackwood boys singing the Goldie Looking Chain song that went “Drugs don’t kill people, rappers do”. It was changed to “Drugs don’t kill people, horses do”. At the time it seemed funny, but you realize it then really isn’t if the family on the others side hear it. Young tribal foolishness, and idiocy. Alcohol and group dynamics at a young age gives you a difference reference point.
No doubt tragedy chanting is offensive. But then again football all over the world is tribal. You don’t
go to football as in rugby, shake hands with the opposition, and say “Well done old mucker”. To me it is a waste of police resources to chase this stuff. The police have complained for years that they are short on resources so its about prioritisation. There is an opioid crisis in Swansea, theft of endemic proportions, and child abuse at estoteric rates. This doesn’t strike me as a priority for South Wales Police, socially ugly though it may be. The police should be chasing more hard crimes instead of looking for easy wins to make their statistics look good, and avoid high risk policing. Risk is part of their job, so chase hard criminals not a small bunch of football fan idiots who will be long forgotten by the following day.
My stepfather was at the foot of the Aberfan disaster, cleaning it up, back in the day. He told me horrific stories about what he saw, which as an 18 year I found harrowing. But when Millwall and Bristol City fans chanted about Aberfan I thought “Bloody lowlife”, shrugged if off, gave it back and got on with my day. I didn’t feign faux outrage on behalf of others, create a noise, and go squeaking to police or shouting about it. I just thought it reflects more on them than me.
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Keyser Soze
I am with Sludge on one aspect here, the Newbury story may or may not have happened, but that isn’t the intention of horse references. The intention is to cause offence. I can recall back around the late Nineties and early Noughties some chanting by Cardiff fans.
On Alan Davies there were two chants…
“Sssssss, gas gas, gas a Jack”, and the “Do the Alan Davies, Do the Alan Davies, la la la la la”. That was the arm-crossing that Sludge refers to.
I never heard too much about the Terry Coles, other than in the Canton End around 2003-05 from memory. I think the Portguese coach was running Swansea at that point. There were a few Barry and Blackwood boys singing the Goldie Looking Chain song that went “Drugs don’t kill people, rappers do”. It was changed to “Drugs don’t kill people, horses do”. At the time it seemed funny, but you realize it then really isn’t if the family on the others side hear it. Young tribal foolishness, and idiocy. Alcohol and group dynamics at a young age gives you a difference reference point.
No doubt tragedy chanting is offensive. But then again football all over the world is tribal. You don’t
go to football as in rugby, shake hands with the opposition, and say “Well done old mucker”. To me it is a waste of police resources to chase this stuff. The police have complained for years that they are short on resources so its about prioritisation. There is an opioid crisis in Swansea, theft of endemic proportions, and child abuse at estoteric rates. This doesn’t strike me as a priority for South Wales Police, socially ugly though it may be. The police should be chasing more hard crimes instead of looking for easy wins to make their statistics look good, and avoid high risk policing. Risk is part of their job, so chase hard criminals not a small bunch of football fan idiots who will be long forgotten by the following day.
My stepfather was at the foot of the Aberfan disaster, cleaning it up, back in the day. He told me horrific stories about what he saw, which as an 18 year I found harrowing. But when Millwall and Bristol City fans chanted about Aberfan I thought “Bloody lowlife”, shrugged if off, gave it back and got on with my day. I didn’t feign faux outrage on behalf of others, create a noise, and go squeaking to police or shouting about it. I just thought it reflects more on them than me.
Mocking anyone about the death of someone is sick regardless of age but astonishing in those of a more mature age but maybe not fully developed IQ coupled with possible substance intake
The swim away is an interesting one for me - expected from fans regardless of the why or the maturity of it but the one for me is a club condoning football violence
Martin obafemi lowe and and now Williams have in recent times either mimicked the swim away or appeared to have sanctioned it by others - so players and managers alike seem happy to condone it - question whether they understand fully what it is related to or if the club are happy with this
In the commentary on the recent game apparently Williams kids go to a school with a few Cardiff fans in and I would hate to think that his kids suffered as a result of his actions on or around the game - apparently he was urged by his kids not to lose that game because of the number of Cardiff fans in the school
Also there was some talk on the other board of removing the bubble for the game and for me this creates an unnecessary risk bearing in mind recent issues in the red seats and also the incident 150 miles in Newbury (not so recent I know) - not worth it for me
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North Cardiff Blue
Maybe they were referring to a fight at the horse races in Cheltenham a few years ago?
oh do f-uck off:hehe:
Cardiff fans having been singing trampled by horse to the tune of H-A-P-P-Y and doing the horse actions / noises for years and years before the fight in Newbury. They even put a messaage about Terry Coles on the big screen in the Millenium Stadium when Swansea beat Barnsley. Thats a different level of sick.
But you know that youre just being obstinate.
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J R Hartley
oh do f-uck off:hehe:
Cardiff fans having been singing trampled by horse to the tune of H-A-P-P-Y and doing the horse actions / noises for years and years before the fight in Newbury. They even put a messaage about Terry Coles on the big screen in the Millenium Stadium when Swansea beat Barnsley. Thats a different level of sick.
But you know that youre just being obstinate.
Indeed, the QPR play off game
Watch out for the horses Terry! At half time
It was only after the game most people twigged , I remember thinking that's a strange best wishes message ?
Sick twats
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J R Hartley
oh do f-uck off:hehe:
Cardiff fans having been singing trampled by horse to the tune of H-A-P-P-Y and doing the horse actions / noises for years and years before the fight in Newbury. They even put a messaage about Terry Coles on the big screen in the Millenium Stadium when Swansea beat Barnsley. Thats a different level of sick.
But you know that youre just being obstinate.
Yes, that was bad but I don't think either side could be found guilty because there is a dual meaning to both gestures, which could be argued by a good barrister forever and a day.
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North Cardiff Blue
Yes, that was bad but I don't think either side could be found guilty because there is a dual meaning to both gestures, which could be argued by a good barrister forever and a day.
Zzzzz
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Why would Cardiff fans gesture to Swansea fans about the row at Newbury races? I think it’s fair to say Cardiff come off second best that day..
A Philadelphia lawyer would have a very difficult time arguing orherwise.