Does Henderson's guilty verdict have any bearing on the transfer fee?
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Does Henderson's guilty verdict have any bearing on the transfer fee?
Possibly.
Next will be the inquest into Sala's death in the new year, then the case moves to the Court of Arbitration in the spring.
Dalman said that case established a link from the pilot to Henderson to McKay to Nantes i.e no City involvement in organising the flight. So, if CAS proceedings go against the City we can sue Nantes for negligence.
I don't see why it wouldQuote:
Originally Posted by Forest Green Bluebird
I wish people stop blaming mckayQuote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Mort
Bit of role play here, I'm a player you're my agent
I say to you "Enoch,sort me out a flight bruv to France for weekend "
You say "OK nuge leave it with me"
You ring around for quotes...
Airline "hello how can I help"
Agent Enoch " how much for a flight next weekend to france"
Airline " we can do it for £x"
Agent Enoch " fantastic that , we'll have that"
Airline "long card number please"
Etc etc etc
AND NO POINT WOULD AGENT ENOCH OR ANYONE ELSE ASK
"By the way are all your pilots qualified?"
DONT TALK SO BLOODY WET MUN
Don't matter whether it's a plane , taxi, train or Thai tuk tuk, you place your trust in the system that they are qualified , insured and therby operating by the rules .
Bloody agents fault my ars e
Nobody else will be guilty of anything here now.
Not cardiff, not Nantes, not agent.
There's no guilt on anyone who booked flight , same as if the player himself booked it like a normal person would.
It's only cos he's famous he left it to someone else anyway
Blimey, it’s a bit early in the morning for going off on one. I thought I was just quoting Mehmet Dalman who was constructing an argument to point the finger at Nantes not McKay.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugent
& your logic is right, in as much as City are trying to reaffirm the linkage to Nantes. City said at the time they had offered commercial flights which were declined. That’s the crux of their argument, someone else organised the flights, who? Nugents also right, no one else will be found guilty, it’s not about guilt but association.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Mort
Because, of course, agent Enoch would never have had cause to use the "Airline" before would he? I agree McKay will probably not face charges, but he knew the score I'm sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugent
Not my logic, that of Mehmet Dalman. It is he who I was quoting. His point has always been that the club spent £15m on a player, someone else other than the club organised a flight and It ended in tragedy through illegal/negligent arrangements and he or Vincent Tan doesn’t think we should pay out.. in respect of the very dubious food chain that Dalman outlined the only one with.any means is Nantes hence they being the target in a Plan B if the CAS case fails.Quote:
Originally Posted by Des Parrot
I wonder to what extent this is bluster. If we lose the CAS proceedings will VT want to continue the process ? Would a case against Nantes succeed ? They would probably point the finger at McKay or Henderson. I’m no legal expert but it sounds messy. With the Isaacs and Hammam cases will the club have litigation burn out ? We must be spending a fortune on legal fees. Will it be more difficult for Tan to sell the club with a £15m lawsuit hanging over it ? Or, is Tan so cussed that he feels swindled and would pursue litigation to the nth degree? Who knows?
If only VT had said no to Colin and backed up the other members of the transfer committee.
I think its simpler to say if I ordered you a taxi and you ended up in a crash, and it turns out the taxi driver has an expired licence and the car was faulty then its the company's fault.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugent
There's a YouTube video on another post about the flight and apparently these "grey" flights are somewhat commonplace in sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
You mean to say there is another thread about this very topic....always the joker, get out of here!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric the Half a Bee
You've got it one fella.Quote:
Originally Posted by Once U shop, U can't stop
You and I know the simple version
But for some reason, the forums and Facebooks and twitter are full of blaming mckay .
I can't get my head round it tbh.
Not quite right.... Cardiff CFC offered Sala a scheduled flight to Cardiff and he apparently turned it down because he wanted more time in Nantes to say goodbye to friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugent
Nantes agent then stepped in, no doubt keen to get the transfer deal done..the rest, as they say, is history
I think that Mckay was trying to get things done on the cheap and wanted it all pushed along, he might have even known that Henderson was a bit bent. None of that matters though as it wasn't down to Mckay to make sure that the plane was in serviceable condition or that the person flying it was not up to standard. He sounds like a very dodgy character, but that's all he seems to be. There's no blame at his door as far as i can see. And we will end up paying.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugent
Why was he, as you say "trying to get things done on the cheap"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
What inside knowledge do you have of this transaction now?
This I gotta hear
Again, another insider with knowledge of the transaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by lisvaneblue
However, I put it to you, could it have gone down like this...
Sala "I want to go to France to say ta ra to the boys"
Cardiff 'we'll sort you a flight no problem , but the last flight out of Nantes is the 00.00 to Heathrow on Saturday"
Sala " nah, I want more time than that, I'll sort a flight with my agent"
The one thing that everyone is overlooking, is the fact this flight was the players decision, just like all of us in work, our employer got no control over us 7 days a week.
Your days off are your days off.
If I want to go to London for the weekend with my missus , no ones to blame if things go wrong.
Unless of course there's someone without a licence driving me about .
Hey T,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuerto
Ya slippin.
Youse usually see the whoosh :hehe:
How silly of me to think that because Sala was doing his own thing in his own time that when he got to Cardiff he'd have to find a taxi to the hotel he personally had booked, just like we would if we were on our days off.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugent
But Cardiff CFC had someone waiting for his arrival at the airport, the club had accommodation booked for him and he was set to train with the team the next day.
This was business, not pleasure
Only he didn't say that did he.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugent
A commercial flight was on the table from Cardiff but McKay's son (Jack I think) who was on Cardiff's books with the u23s approached Sala on his father's (or brother's - as his father was disqualified as an agent!) behalf to offer a private flight both ways.
Sala didn't initiate it and neither did his agent. But he accepted the McKay offer.
McKay had been acting for Nantes in the transfer. Hard to make the case that Nantes are in some way responsible for the fatal flight - unless they asked McKay to arrange it which has never been suggested.
However, there does appear to be a case that the transfer documentation was incomplete and needed to be revised at the time of the tragedy - and that Sala was still at that point an Nantes player (whatever FIFA decided in their hearing). CAS will decide that one.
'I think' therefore my opinion, not fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugent
I didn't see it :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Once U shop, U can't stop
As a starter for 10:Quote:
Originally Posted by nugent
https://www.caa.co.uk/Consumers/Guid...ight-is-legal/
" If you knowingly use an illegal operator you may also be breaking the law and could be prosecuted."
It is not a taxi. There is more going on here.
I can’t listen to that taxi analogy any more!Quote:
Originally Posted by Optimistic Nick
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by WJ99mobile
Its very valid point.
How about a train?
Bus? You get on train , do you walk up to front and knock on door and ask "ow drive, are you qualified butt?"
Do you fack
But isn’t McKay banned from all football? So he shouldn’t have been involved at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by the other bob wilson
You have made it abundantly clear that you cannot see the differences between sala's flight, and booking a minicab. We know. Others can.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugent
Whether City have to pay a fee to Nantes has nothing to do with most of this threads silly speculation over who was responsible for Sala’s death. It is a contractual issue over whether Sala was a City player at the time of his death or not.
Absolutely correct as that was the OP's question. Blaming the agent was not mentioned in this thread until nugent imagined it. It was all downhill from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by dml1954
Found it very interesting this week to see that the wingly site is still going. Website gthat offers some quite dubious 'cost share ' flights with ppl holders. A quick look at the prices makes me question how genuine the cost sharing is. I thought the sala case would have finished them, they were quite obviously dodgy right from start. Cant believe the caa haven't caught up with them properly